Pando Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hi Ellis,I have gone back through all my baccarat cards and find that by playingMDB, betting against 5 in a row, the win rate is extremely high. On mycards it wins more than 90% within the 3 bet progression.Moreover, the 2's perform best, and obviously more frequently occur.I wonder therefore is there anything to be gained by flat betting ratherthan your recommended 1/2/4 progression.Or perhaps a different progression for the 2's, 3's and 4's.Just thinking out loud and am interested in your feedback.regardsPaul (New Zealand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedda Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Great! What kind of shuffle was it? Preshuffled or regular? Flat bet you only gain 1 Unit if the first bet wins, the rest of the bets in the originally prog you only break even or lose 1 Unit. Flat bet is not recommended i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hi Ellis,I have gone back through all my baccarat cards and find that by playingMDB, betting against 5 in a row, the win rate is extremely high. On mycards it wins more than 90% within the 3 bet progression.Moreover, the 2's perform best, and obviously more frequently occur.I wonder therefore is there anything to be gained by flat betting ratherthan your recommended 1/2/4 progression.Or perhaps a different progression for the 2's, 3's and 4's.Just thinking out loud and am interested in your feedback.regardsPaul (New Zealand)Hi Paul, New Zealand, what a beautiful place! Do you have casinos there or do you have to go across the water or are you playing on line???And I'm thinking you mean MDB+, right? And I'm thinking you don't mean 5 in a row, right? You mean that you won't get 5 2s W/O a 1 or a 3 in there someplace, right? Just want to be sure we are all on the same page?Fatherfred is right: We are all curious whether you are playing against regular cards or preshuffled?Some casinos using regular cards, their card prep is so extensive, that the cards are close to random and MDB+ works well even though they are starting out with regular cards. Other casinos are shooting for a bias. They get whichever they want.Biased cards = NORRandom cards = MDB+NO matter what kind of cards they started out with.But, assuming you are doing everything right, correct, your hit rate is very high - even on your 1 bets.A Mathematician will look at the situation and say why should I bet a progression when I can make say +3 or 4 just flat betting.That's a view that is hard to argue with - especially if he raises his unit value.The Player will look at the situation and say well my hit rate is high on my first bet, even higher on my second bets and higher still on my third bets - so why don't I bet a more aggressive progression like 136?Yet a third player make look the situation over and say well this calls for a safer progression with less slope like a 234 or even a 345.Who's right?Well each of the 3 players can be right on a given day and wrong on a different given day.Who am I to say?All 3 have pros and all 3 have cons.I think we need to go by the situation we find ourselves in.A very high hit rate on first bets but lower on second and third bets- fine, flat bet with a larger unit.A low hit rate on first bets but high on 2nd and 3rd bets, fine, a 123 or 124.A low hit rate on first bets but very high on 2nd bets, fine, a 134.But I'm dealing with players with different skill levels. Some can make those kinds of distinctions, some can't.A 124 is pretty neutral and will usually work just fine.Ha, but we are still very interested in what kind of cards you are playing??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted September 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hi EllisThanks for your extensive reply, yes I am referring to MDB+ in my email.New Zealand has 5 casino's, the one in Auckland was set up by Harrah's originally.All of the casino's are quite small compared to Singapore and Macau where I havealso played. Haven't made it to Vegas yet.The bac tables here have different card preparation depending on the table minimum.The $10 minimum tables use a continuous shuffle machine, and the cards are changedoccasionally due to wear, about twice a day I am told. The player does not touch thecards at these tables. It is an 8 deck shoe.The $25 tables are pre-shuffled cards, with 2 x eight decks in use alternately.One deck is shuffled by the machine while the other is in use, common procedure everywhere I think. Again the player does not touch the cards.The $50 and $100 tables are the same as the $25 tables but the players do touch thecards. This only prolongs the game but some players prefer this way to play. These cardsare disposed of after each shoe and a new 8 deck pre-shuffled shoe is used.My records are based on the $25 tables, so they are pre-shuffled and then shuffled againafter each shoe.I have observed (but not recorded) that similar results seem to apply to the $10 tableswhich gives me even more cause for optimism for MDB+. I have no data from $50 tables.Having read your reply I will stick with the 1,2,4 progression on the $25 tablesbest regardsPaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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