Real play SAP/RSAP flat bet.

[ECD]

I think I did this right. I took the liberty of focusing on the TWO lowest SAP numbers. Parx PA shoe. Don't know if the attachment went through.

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[brad01]

Hi Ellis thanks I find the mean count looks very valuable. Like a measuring stick for SAP. Will try to put it into practise

Looking forward to what other SAP tricks you have up your sleeve

[brad01]

Hey Ellis something strange happened last night I was playing online and there was a 7 and then an 8 streak and repeats outweighed opposites by more then 2 to 1

1's were low

Even the untrained guys could have seen to just bet repeats

They stopped the shoe dead and closed the site for a while and before they blacked it out you could see them having a meeting.

Then guess what came out first shoe after they resumed?

Perfect random

Sap counts were all equal 4444 very quickly

because I was recording SAP count I picked it and was like this isn't right for hand shuffle and so I waited and played cautiously

Used a type of RSAP play and made 3 units

I put it to you they pulled a set of new preshuffled as the cards they had were real streaky.

First time I've seen something like that happen and was able to pick it

Point is the SAP count was the key

[Guest]

Hey Ellis something strange happened last night I was playing online and there was a 7 and then an 8 streak and repeats outweighed opposites by more then 2 to 1

1's were low

Even the untrained guys could have seen to just bet repeats

They stopped the shoe dead and closed the site for a while and before they blacked it out you could see them having a meeting.

Then guess what came out first shoe after they resumed?

Perfect random

Sap counts were all equal 4444 very quickly

because I was recording SAP count I picked it and was like this isn't right for hand shuffle and so I waited and played cautiously

Used a type of RSAP play and made 3 units

I put it to you they pulled a set of new preshuffled as the cards they had were real streaky.

First time I've seen something like that happen and was able to pick it

Point is the SAP count was the key

Yep, closing tables is a trick real casinos do a lot too. I've had it pulled on me many times. Ha, even including full tables.

The question is, if they can cheat right under your nose in a real casino, what can they do with trick photography???

[Guest]

Thanks Ellis.

Does that mean that the 4+'s have the original multiplier of 4. That would make the SAP scorecard easier to use.

Yes:

1's =1

2s = 2

3s = 4

4+s = 4

Now if you wanted to separate between 4s and 5+s, 4 would = 8 and 5+ would equal 8.

But I don't see any good reason to do that since you can quickly look at the shoe and

sort between 4s and 5+s.

[Guest]

I think I did this right. I took the liberty of focusing on the TWO lowest SAP numbers. Parx PA shoe. Don't know if the attachment went through.

Hmm, maybe just as well it didn't come out. I don't know why you'd focus only on the 2 lows. The safest way is to bet the lowest stays lowest and the highest goes higher if Parx uses Regular cards.

Why don't you post your shoe using our short cut method and I'll play it for you. Some of the guys are looking for played shoes and play by plays anyway.

Maybe it would be good if I start a new Thread on the public forum so everybody can see it

with step by step instructions how to post a shoe using our BTC program.

Do you think?

[dinosaur331]

Has there been any play by play explantions of sap/rsap yet? I am still waiting unless I missed it.

[brad01]

I have been finding some good short term setups with SAP / RSAP lately

Normally 2 counts will go out in front and this will determine what SAP approach to use - mostly just NOR systems

1's and 1's and 2's = S40

2's and 2's and 3's = OTBL

1's and 3's or 3+'s = TBL

3's and 3+'s = repeats

as per what Ellis says over and over

There will be a point when the SAP count will be too imbalanced in which case RSAP bets start coming into play.

A difference of 8 - 12 or more between counts usually means a RSAP bet is coming up: LC will go up closer or even above average and MC will go down to average or even below:

Start of shoe - 2 8 8 0 - OTBL

Middle of shoe - 4 12 8 0 - at this point RSAP starts saying 1's and 3+'s will catch up

10 12 12 16 - indeed they did catch up and what caught me off guard was the 3+'s actually became MC event

Observing SAP counts at several points in the shoe gives you a guide as to how much difference between counts you could expect before you can expect the counts to even up and RSAP bets to come into play.

I'll post a play by play soon

[machine]

On 5/11/2015 at 1:36 PM, brad01 said:

Well I am still just coming to terms with how to produce these Jpeg images so didn't finish but thought would post 1st column to show the set up of SAP count and the first bet staying away from LC event:

This is how Ellis taught to set up SAP count with weighted totals for 1,2,3,4+

At the end of the first column you can see that 4+'s are most common but due to their heavy weighting and 2 early events it gives a bit of an artificial lead

The important thing I think is lack of 3's

Then I also think its important that although 1's and 2's are not showing on SAP count as MC due to weighting they are next in line and in actual numbers they are MC

Being that 3's are LC it means that by betting 1's and 2's then we should win a high number of bets while staying away from LC 3's

Will post next column later when have time but that's where I kicked ass playing 1's and 2's only

I mean its all there for you guys - record SAP counts, identify MC, LC and then make a game plan to bet accordingly around the SAP count.

Hi Brad Happy Holidays !!!

I am shortly practicing SAP and reading your post about SAP I think it is a great tool to keep counting but more important key is how to interpret with what's happening at hand, I am going to practice a little bit more to see the nature of SAP. BTW are you still playing sap with sap counting?

[brad01]

I think the best thing is read mcvinces sap thread in premium members

he has a really good and simple way to use sap