Keith Smith

Casino Comps Affect

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I was playing with my High Roller friend David at the Bellagio a few weeks ago and he had the NOIR card from M-Life.  He basically gets any room any time he wants, a taxi immediately and pretty much any thing the resort has to offer thrown at him.   We ate at the finest restaurants and every floor person and pit personal new his name. 

 

David the genius marketer of his own products got to talking about this with me. They know that I will be betting on average $1000 a hand and upwards so the action I show them is well worth the comps they give me .  But aside from the Comp, the marketing strategy is to make him feel that he is very important and in a group that we cater to like no other. I must admit and so does he,  it is a bit of an egotistical trip to not have to wait 20 deep for  taxi and walk up t  the the NOIR players line and get your cab right away.  So they have made you feel important, better than others and feed your ego that you are an expert gambler by how they interact with you on the gaming floor.  All an illusion to get your money. Of course we are not better than anyone else, but no matter what they say that is the intention of their tiered levels.  They will say profit from players yes but the encourage players who cannot afford to play at those stakes to and appeal to their egos by how you feel.  More to this level and you getthis service and we treat you different.   For a few days you are the most important person in the casino.... well at least they make you feel that way. 

 

To bad for them, we took the cab to a local casino where the Baccarat game offered more selection and a better game.  Thoughts?

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I guess the line of thinking would be when you win you are winning AND getting something for free

BUT

When you are losing its still ok because you are getting something for free.

Also when you feel important it makes losing your money less painful.

If you step into the casino and they treat you like that then you would want to spend a fair bit of time there.

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I think it is hilarious, that the Bellagio treats you and David to the first class attention, and then you and David went to a local casino to play baccarat.  I wonder what that did to their ego?  lol

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Win or lose, comps are always nice to take advantage of.  The key is to consider them a bonus while you are focusing on playing for profits, not comps.   I had a lot of comps from my prior trips to Vegas.  I will concur the no waiting in line part in Vegas is really nice.  Also the tickets to shows that are sold out or hard to get.  Most of the good stuff doesn't appear until you are betting purple chips or higher.  Otherwise it's just free food.

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A great distinction, between playing for comps or playing for profit.

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I get free coffee with my Crown Club card! (Crown Casinos Australia)

Something to think about is all the competitions you can enter and prize draws

Many are free and if you enter enough your chances of winning must be up there if you spend a bit of time there.

Was reading a post on a roulette forum a few years ago and someone said they never won much on roulette but they entered all competitions and won a jackpot !

 

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At SkyCity, Auckland with a membership card we get free non-alcoholic drinks (tea, fresh coffee, green tea, lemon tea, soda, water etc)

On Sundays, if you are at a table, you get free yum-cha (Chinese dumplings) at 1pm and 2pm

Also points accumulated while playing can be used for meals.

There are promotions and lucky draws (cash and bonus chips) every month which have so far eluded me

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I refuse to use the "Rewards" Card issued by Sydney casino.  If I use it...they know what time I parked my car...what time I leave...what I eat...what I drink...what tables I play...size of my bets...amount  I win...pattern of my bets...probably what bloody colour underwear I am wearing.

I know they can keep track of most things anyway but why make it easy on the blood sucking bastards?

I look at it this way ...if I can't afford to buy my own drinks...pay for my own meals...pay for a room..."What the hell am I doing in a casino"? 

I'm constantly asked  why I don't use their "Rewards" card because I am usually the only player on the table not using it. I politely tell them that I don't use cards of any description. I'm constantly invited to the "High Rollers" restaurant, but I don't go to the casino to eat or make friends. I've copped the line "You are looking tired Sir...Would you like me to arrange a room?" ...I generally reply..."I'm old...I always look tired"  (my attempts at humour seem wasted however)

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Don't know about the Aussie casinos Oz, but In the U.S. a serious player cannot really remain anonymous.  At most casinos they will not let you play without providing an ID (or players card) if you come to the table with more than $2000, or buy in for that in cash.  Same thing with cashing out at the cage.  Casinos are required to comply with the Bank Secrecy laws (anti-money laundering), and they all have policies to "know their customer" and carefully track all player activity and amounts much lower than the reporting limits in the law.

trust me, everything you do in a casino is tracked, especially if you regularly win.  Surveillance will study your play live if you are a winner. It is still good practice to not draw unnecessary attention to yourself -- you want to look like just another loser if possible.  But no one should expect they will not be known by the casino.  

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1 hour ago, way2fast said:

Don't know about the Aussie casinos Oz, but In the U.S. a serious player cannot really remain anonymous.  At most casinos they will not let you play without providing an ID (or players card) if you come to the table with more than $2000, or buy in for that in cash.  Same thing with cashing out at the cage.  Casinos are required to comply with the Bank Secrecy laws (anti-money laundering), and they all have policies to "know their customer" and carefully track all player activity and amounts much lower than the reporting limits in the law.

trust me, everything you do in a casino is tracked, especially if you regularly win.  Surveillance will study your play live if you are a winner. It is still good practice to not draw unnecessary attention to yourself -- you want to look like just another loser if possible.  But no one should expect they will not be known by the casino.  

I have often wondered about this, and wonder at what point the casino may not want a winning player to keep playing

Here in New Zealand I need a passport or photo ID for any cash out over $7000 (that's the law), no problem

But if I cash out $7000 a day, will the casino be worried, where do they draw the line?

I know of a guy who won $250,000 in a month and then lost it all back again. So it seems $250,000 is no issue for them

Maybe its because his player profile indicated he would keep playing and loose

Any thoughts from fellow players welcome

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I'm certain that casino categorize players and their activity.  For instance if you win 250k but are betting 1000 to 10,000 their goal will be to keep you playing,  now if you won the 250K over the course of the year with a base bet of $100 and high bet of $500 would get more attention and they will want to know how you are playing and what game control they can use to beat you.

To W2F point also,  Mike and myself were playing at the Aria in Vegas and after taking our comp cards said hey you guys got any new videos coming out and will you be playing OTB4L tonight?

Keith

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On 8/20/2016 at 11:33 AM, Keith Smith said:

I'm certain that casino categorize players and their activity.  For instance if you win 250k but are betting 1000 to 10,000 their goal will be to keep you playing,  now if you won the 250K over the course of the year with a base bet of $100 and high bet of $500 would get more attention and they will want to know how you are playing and what game control they can use to beat you.

To W2F point also,  Mike and myself were playing at the Aria in Vegas and after taking our comp cards said hey you guys got any new videos coming out and will you be playing OTB4L tonight?

Keith

 

That's scary...

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Does anyone think that for a consistent winner its bad to play at the same casino at the same time of day ?

Obviously we are all creatures of habit and probably have favourite tables too

If you were winning consistently then it would be easy for the casino to try and set you up if they knew your playing habits?

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NO I don't think it makes any difference

I have seen enough shoes to say that there is enough variety to entice any player at any time.

Most of the players are so bad it wouldn't make any difference to the casino's bottom line

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Pompano Mike!!!  Saw an old video of the million dollar seminar.. In that video you said you were scared,not scared but hesitant to play $500 per hand, have you broken through that barrier finally?? How long did it take for you to be comfortable playing purple now if you did?   :)

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I became quite comfortable playing purple after about 6 months of having a bankroll exceeding $20,000 but never did well playing units larger than $500.  I don't play with units that large anymore. 

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Why is that Mike (serious question)

Do you think you changed your style of play without knowing you were doing so?

I would be interested to know

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Hey Mike! I know you said at 1 time 20-25 units is a good bankroll so with your $20,000 bank roll you're at 40 units bankroll? is that better? Safer?  I do 20-25 myself, I'm curious..  :)

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The "Casino Comp Effect" is very accurately portrayed in a old baccarat movie.  I can't remember its title, but it's about a green chip player who spends as much time watching the baccarat whales being treated like kings, as he does actually playing.  Drives an old Plymouth Valiant to and from the casino every trip, and seems to lose almost every trip since he can't stop.  His big dream in life is to someday become a high roller and enjoy the royal treatment he sees constantly.  By some stroke of incredible luck, he makes it!  He's treated like a king for I forget how many days in a row...until he manages to rack up MILLIONS in profits!  But, he enjoys the comps and fame so much, he can't stop, and you guessed it ---- gives it ALL back to the casino, after which the royal treatment ends.  The last scene shows the guy walking back to his old Plymouth as if the fairy tale had never happened.  Throughout the movie the "big" baccarat game action is fairly close to how it really goes, except for the guy's incredible win.  Does anyone know the name of this film?  I'd love to see it again but have no idea how to look it up.  Thanks for putting up with this old guy's ramblings!   

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