Keith Smith

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Very good video Keith.  Let's chat soon about what we were talking about earlier. 

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Good explanation on system. Only works if you find the right shoe conditions. the challenge is identifying ashoe with the right conditions to apply the system. i find that in BTC you can learn all the system but very little on identifying the shoe conditions. the few contributed identified methods like 5d, 3em does help but like to hear from users on the success rates of these methods other than from the original creators. If is not that successful, why is it that the original creators are successful. Is it because players are not doing the right things again?

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Yep we know them.  Funny how many of them started here and before that Winningways.com.  And just for the record in case someone brings it up,  it was myself, Ron and Charlie who went to AC day after day and provided games and offered the way to look at games as opposites,  repeats and events before anyone else claims they taught us.  

The origins of opposite and repeats came from our research and playing experience in this group from us in Atlantic City.   Now that isn't to say no one else looked at it that light  and analytical terms ( other gamblers and statisticians)   it is just we provided the framework for it to be placed in a  system (book that was sold) and approach conception when we started out and  expanded upon by others who I hired at  Winningways and then BeatTheCasino.com. 

So now we have come full circle and now we are the only ones who can answer the argument, then why don't you just play. We do we now just have a club please join us and get the collective observations of all the system sellers. And just for the record in case they think they can copyright a system or process of how to play.

What is not protected by copyright?

1. Ideas, Methods, or Systems

Ideas, methods, and systems are not covered by copyright protection. According to the US Copyright Office, Circular 2, this covers quite a few things including making, or building things; scientific or technical methods or discoveries; business operations or procedures; mathematical principles; formulas, algorithms; or any other concept, process, or method of operation.

I found this last night - a review of bacc systems including BTC (interesting and not up to date)

Funny as he says hes played with Keith and 'Uncle Ellis' so Keith  may know him?

Also funny as hes selling a system himself so obviously thinks hes git something better!?

 

The Low Down On Baccarat System Sellers

Here are 13 of my main competitors…not in terms of them selling valid winning information…just that we are all offering the same type of service. Some have beautiful slick websites…however…a slick website is no guarantee that the product or information is going to work.

I have also included a brief review of my system which I imagine could have been written by one of my competitors.

See if you can find any credible testimonials on their websites which compare to the volume and variety I have accumulated in less than 2 years on my website.

Is there a “BLOG” with articles which may actually help educate the gambling public in any way?

Look at their FAQ section, if present.

Does the seller post his/her “Live Play Trip Reports?

You won’t find them because they would not match what the vendors are selling or they would one or two “cherry picked” shoes which does not prove that their system is a long term winner.

Here are the other vendors are in no particular order.

Robert Reno (progamblingsystems.com) “Bride of Frankenstein” system and 3 or 4 other variations starting at $300. This is a classic, simplistic BS (Bet Selection) of avant-dernier meaning opposite time before last BBP…here the next bet would be Player. He may be using other simplistic BS ideas. It really does not matter his BS because the heart of Reno’s systems is a modified Martingale where, YES, you will win the majority of your betting series but when you do lose…and you will…the profit is gone.

Dave Gunas (gambleiq.com) was selling his system for up to $7500. Dave is a really personable, likable guy. Unfortunately, I was not able to win with his system long term. The money management is quite volatile and you can lose many units in a short time.

Alvin Tuarez (howtobeatbaccarat.com) $500 and up.
Alvin is overseas…no phone contact…sends lessons one at a time and may not send all the lessons paid for if you say anything negative to him. I did that after he abandoned me and all his other students for months at a time while we waited for the next lesson to come. A very complex system with much personal judgement required including 15+ columns to chart/track between decisions. Mine is detailed but only has 3 primary tracking columns. His old website was www.iplayforaliving.com. He probably changed it after numerous complaints from upset students got around on the internet.

Steve X (baccaratconcepts.com) $400-$700. Gives you 4 different bet selections and it is up to you to pick the right one. It is never good to have to use that much personal judgement. Some days your judgement will be spot on, other days you will wish you never got out of bed. You must have a mechanical, repeatable set of rules (like in my training) if you are serious about winning.

Jay Silva (baccaratko.com) $500 & up. He claims his system NEVER loses…a definite red flag. Out of the country. Communication and support could be an issue like other non-domestic sellers. Requires a bankroll of 500 units! That screams Martingale to me. Nice website but not a lot of substance. Only been online since May or June of 2016.

Keith Smith/E. Clifton Davis (beatthecasino.com) $500 – $2,000. Sincere system developers but seem to always have something new to offer and quite a bit of personal judgement required. These two have parted ways after a long partnership. I am not sure why. I have played with both of them and was amused by the fact that “uncle Ellis” was only using $5 units. Certainly better than the simplistic bet selection and money management approaches of other systems but it would help if their system guidelines could be less open to interpretation.

Russell Hunter/Martin J. Silverthorne (gamblersbookclub.com) dozens of gambling systems…ALL are $99 and come with a money back guarantee which neither one of the system sellers have EVER honored. They fall into the category of simplistic money management approaches which never work and even simpler bet selections.

Tony Howard – Las Vegas Craigslist advertiser…uses a type of Martingale and gets rude and hangs up on potential students when they start asking the right questions.

Tony Leo – Las Vegas Craigslist advertiser…uses a type of Martingale. You can even come to his home in Vegas and he will answer your calls. Unfortunately, this is just another approach heavily based on increasing bets after losses…not a formula for long term success. From a buyer: “I have this one. To me this is just a collection of various strategies and money management. 5 different systems and explaining different ways to bet. He doesn’t really guide you through anything. I tested it all and can’t get anything to win consistently.”

Baccarat Bandit –(baccaratcashflow.com) Claims to teach you for $869.95 his system which depends on you winning your first 15 shoes so that your chance of busting your bankroll is greatly reduced since you are now so far ahead. When is the last time you won 15 shoes in a row? In his video demonstration using an online casino (dublinbet.com), his bets went from $25- $75- $100-$300.
I would hate to see what the next increases would be after losing the 5th, 6th or 7th bets!

Al Kauffman – (thegamblingprofessor.com) – Long time Vegas resident and system seller. So, similar to all the others. Al recommends that you start with an $18,000 bankroll because of the steep rise in bets as they continue to lose. You can lose $6000 in just one session. It is NEVER good to risk a LOT to win a LITTLE.

Michael Watson – Las Vegas Craigslist advertiser…very smooth system seller with a British accent…sells a Martingale for $2000 through email or will train you how to bet a 5-6 step suicidal Martingale in person if you come to Vegas for $2500.

Don Tigert –(baccaratpersonaltrainer.com) Texas – A 5-6 step Martingale he is selling for $2500. He uses a set of random “templates” for bet selection. I lost $3,100 in the very first shoe I tried playing with it at Caesar’s in Atlantic City. So, a $5,600 total loss.

The Bac Doctor – Dr. Tom (bacdoctor.com) $700 up. This is a very detailed system which is not easy to learn. He claims he did not make it harder to learn than other systems just for the sake of making it complex…he made it harder to learn so that it would be “harder to beat” by the casino and all the maneuvers they use against players. Many testimonials, FAQs and “Live Play Trip Reports.” No way to know if they are real but I guess they would have to be or his students would be complaining that what he taught them could not be used on his posted shoes. UUUMMM?

For decades, I was one of those hopeful, gullible system buyers who know too many of these individuals personally because I drank the cool-aide and wasted my hard earned money like you may have done.

I really hate getting calls from prospective students who call me AFTER buying something unworkable from the competition. I understand their skepticism that I am offering a valid, workable system.

My best advice is:

Before spending your money on another system, do as much research as you can and compare what everyone is offering…including me.

Dr. Tom, The Bac Doctor

 

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I had a conversation with a dealer here who is a paid member to Dr Toms website

Being a dealer he cannot play at the casino so he plays on line at Dublin Bet and another I cant recall

Anyway he says he does well, started with 100 Euros and is now up to 1800 Euros

Hopefully he will continue to do so

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Great video, Keith.

Couple of potential marketing opportunities here, and you touched on them...

1) you hit the nail on the head about " visually putting people in a position to imagine themselves a huge benefactor of their efforts"  ( SHOW ME THE MONEY!)

     - there are many, many videos, advertisements, etc. that do just that...thinking you could do that, sim to video at www.awolacademy.com 

     - this is just one of many I'm sure you are aware of ( sports betting, weight loss, cruises, etc)

     - no hype, no lies, no system selling...just the truths, just the facts from REAL BTC players all over the world...their own RESULTS achieved as a member of " The FORUM" 

 

2) If you want to capitalize on the " Club / Forum" concept, why not expand on that right on the public pages of the website?

     - here's what you get for just $50/ month ( Press here, Click here, Whatever)

     - again no hype, no system selling ... Just the facts, but MAKE THEM STAND OUT!

     - make it a separate topic /click on feature on face of website

     - you are spot-on... people are very receptive to this kind of message, especially if they receive it over and over after their initial " contact with it" ( via continually updating the message, and sending it to those who have inquired...)

     - Here is what I mean, take a look...

     - if I click on the Premium Subscription " tab" on website ( hardly can find it! Why does it not JUMP out at prospects?), and I go to the " what's in it for me" area, it's no wonder fewer people  than you would like " bite" ,and purchase...

     - IT DOESN'T EVEN TELL ME WHAT I GET!!!

     - with all the legacy  methodologies ( heck, no need to call them " systems")  in the private forum, why not give some real, concrete examples/ information, videos, etc.?? ( MAKE ME UNDERSTAND JUST EXACTLY WHAT IT IS I AM GETTING/GOING TO RECEIVE...AND MAKE ME UNDERSTAND THE VERY REAL PROSPECT OF MAKING REAL $$ PLAYING THIS GAME!)

 

Not trying to be critical here, not trying to change your strategy...BUT, seems you are just a few steps away from jump-starting things...

Hope this helps...

Keep up the good work!

 

Kevin

 

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 Trying not to judge but firstly a little skeptical about why a guy has to call himself 'Dr Tom' the bac doctor.

secondly his website does look like one of those 'slick' websites he describes

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On 1/13/2017 at 3:37 PM, kachatz1 said:

Great video, Keith.

Couple of potential marketing opportunities here, and you touched on them...

1) you hit the nail on the head about " visually putting people in a position to imagine themselves a huge benefactor of their efforts"  ( SHOW ME THE MONEY!)

     - there are many, many videos, advertisements, etc. that do just that...thinking you could do that, sim to video at www.awolacademy.com 

     - this is just one of many I'm sure you are aware of ( sports betting, weight loss, cruises, etc)

     - no hype, no lies, no system selling...just the truths, just the facts from REAL BTC players all over the world...their own RESULTS achieved as a member of " The FORUM" 

 

2) If you want to capitalize on the " Club / Forum" concept, why not expand on that right on the public pages of the website?

     - here's what you get for just $50/ month ( Press here, Click here, Whatever)

     - again no hype, no system selling ... Just the facts, but MAKE THEM STAND OUT!

     - make it a separate topic /click on feature on face of website

     - you are spot-on... people are very receptive to this kind of message, especially if they receive it over and over after their initial " contact with it" ( via continually updating the message, and sending it to those who have inquired...)

     - Here is what I mean, take a look...

     - if I click on the Premium Subscription " tab" on website ( hardly can find it! Why does it not JUMP out at prospects?), and I go to the " what's in it for me" area, it's no wonder fewer people  than you would like " bite" ,and purchase...

     - IT DOESN'T EVEN TELL ME WHAT I GET!!!

     - with all the legacy  methodologies ( heck, no need to call them " systems")  in the private forum, why not give some real, concrete examples/ information, videos, etc.?? ( MAKE ME UNDERSTAND JUST EXACTLY WHAT IT IS I AM GETTING/GOING TO RECEIVE...AND MAKE ME UNDERSTAND THE VERY REAL PROSPECT OF MAKING REAL $$ PLAYING THIS GAME!)

 

Not trying to be critical here, not trying to change your strategy...BUT, seems you are just a few steps away from jump-starting things...

Hope this helps...

Keep up the good work!

 

Kevin

 

First Attempt Kevin

 

Thoughts

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Lots of good stuff here. GREAT first pass!

RE: Video compilation

A) not enamored with the half -naked girls...( now that is what people expect, and therefore " discount"  the value)

B) still nothing shows me " Exactly what I will get" I join...all the legacy systems, what are they? ( and give them "catchy names"   list them out...likely you have 10+ BAC, and 5+ BJ 

Next,  Come join us in Philly?..too limiting...COME JOIN US ALL OVER THE WORLD needs to resonate

B) at the end of video, " really" ??? That guy is obviously headed towards " under the weather"... Thinking needs more serious tone to commentary...

Miscellaneeous

     - where are the links to other vids, where you show play by play? CRITICAL / ESSENTIAL to establish this is 100% real/100% attainable

     - Still see nobody " drowning in cash" , on a cruise, in an expensive car...( thinking your players have the real thing, and can show it.....)...object is to place prospective players in a state of mind where THEY BECOME THE WINNERS ( and illustrate what they become)

.          - Objective is to " put prospects in possibilities", without over-stating the actual results achievable...2-3 second " snippets" inserted into your video would work...

     - Finally, Where is the Asian player, the Filipino, The Japanese, the Canadian, The US. ( white and black) , The European, the fat guy, the skinny girl,  etc, right on your website, etc????

     - making commentary /attributing their success to BTC ( look back @ AWOL academy vid)

And where is the  link / press here button on the website gets me to this video/landing page? ( Splashy)

 

 

 

 

these my thoughts...

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Ok post pics here.  Will adjust and also with some better slides I need pics of us and friend splaying

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Keith, do not have the pics, but likely other players do?

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