zeckam Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Hi Does anyone knows the guiding principles behind Ellis new MvD method? Sounds like a holy grail where 3 rules to remember that will automatically guide you to follow the shoe and win 4 units most of the time with flat betting. Claims results have been proven to 100 shoes played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 15, 2017 Users Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 One thing I've learned in 2 yrs of studying and playing bacc is when someone claims they've got the answer in a simple mechanical method I'm willing to bet they won't send the casinos broke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 15, 2017 Users Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 I heard there was a new system out but I got kicked out of his forum for telling him the truth. I feel like Leah Remini after she got kicked out of Scientology lol. I think he had a seminar the week between Christmas and New Years. I have lost interest in the whole CFC thing. I think it is a sinking ship. I think that BTC has had a resurgence and 2017 will be a great year for all those who put the time in and practice. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 16, 2017 Users Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I have to give credit to Ellis as he taught me NOR and the basics of bacc: 1's and 1's and 2's = S40 / Opposites 2's and 2's and 3's = OTBL 1's and 3+'s with no 2's = TBL 3+'s and low 1's = repeats 2+'s on one side and 1's with 2's max on other side = SS I don't necessarily agree with the 'play thru a shoe with one method' approach that he likes to teach but I can see the thinking of what he is trying to do and adapt different methods to different casino conditions and create counter measures. The shoes are not random he is right about that they do fabricate them even from the shufflers they are in a predetermined order I have seen the psychological tricks they create with the shoes. If the casino conditions are consistent then his strategies and systems will work the problem is the casinos mix it up really well and you cant hit a moving target with a gun on a fixed tripod that's the downfall.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member wolfat Posted January 16, 2017 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 IMO the HG is in believing in your work, find good masters to get knowledge and put all your effort for improve it! Anyway I am just curious to only what M and D stand for... lol A Quote bacclover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trbfla Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I met a guy this week who is on here and CFC and was playing Mvd and each day he had to go to ATM as he lost his buy in bankroll. I'm not impressed with mvd to be honest 1 Quote I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted March 19, 2017 Users Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 ever heard of the fairy tale The Emporors Clothes or something? A pair of con men tell the Emporor they will make him a suit like none other - it will fascinating so he pays them heaps of money and finally they tell him there's a gimmick. Only a fool can't see it to embarrassed to say anything the Emporor parades down the street finally a kid yells out 'why is he walking round in the nude?!' if you think you have just bought or learned the ultimate strategy or system be sure you've tested it first and it's the real deal or like the Emporor you might look in the mirror and realise your standing there in your birthday suit !! better knit your own suit. It might not be a real head turner but at least it will serve its purpose ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modnar Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 I think a main issue on all Ellis Systems is that they all work betting every hand. Maybe this is so because of his BJ background, playing head to head BJ you got no choice. Mix that with an Up as you Lose Prog, you got the the recipe for a perfect storm. Your BKR will sooner than later be gone with the wind.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member wolfat Posted June 27, 2017 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 modnar, I agree 100% with you. The two main issues: the prog: when tou believe that it can overwhelm variance and this is unbelievable from a "beautiful mind". when the system does not match the outcome you are dead! or better... your bankroll. progs work when they close the cycle but when you don't... you cannot recover. I wrote in another post that is like giving a decision more importance, betting high, respect to others decisions, that's crazy in a mostly 50/50% game! switching: another BIG unsolved problem. I never played NOR as it was presented, because you never know exactly when to switch system. we all know that when we play a method, it has a nemesis and we get our countermeasures. but what happens when you are betting a prog and lose the last term? you are out of a ton of money and have no guarantee that switching you will get your money back, only to be even! Instead I see he continues with U1D2 with some variations since maaany years. Pure waste of money, YOUR money! because he plays with reds and greens... lol A 3 Quote bacclover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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