Guest Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) Well I missed a bet flirting with the waitress. But after PP BBB, I'll bet 1 unit on P with Katchaz. And yes, Zebra is right waiting for the OTB4L Mode to reveal itself as things stand right now. Edited October 23, 2011 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Danicito Posted October 23, 2011 Users Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 still waiting for the Bank changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted October 23, 2011 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Well I missed a bet flirting with the waitress. But after PP BBB, I'll bet 1 unit on P with Katchaz. And yes, Zebra is right waiting for the OTB4L Mode to reveal itself as things stand right now.Banker it is, that's 4-in-a-rowGot back to even with my Banker bet, but 6 hands in we are 2P and 4B, both in a row.I am back to even, so I stay on the Banker for yet another Banker...play the shoe for 1 unit.So far P24( unconfirmed )Glanced over to the other tote board and saw last 10 hands were 5P and 5 B...that table is completely full, with many players betting over-top of the seated players. am I missing something?Gentlemen, place your bets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Danicito Posted October 23, 2011 Users Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 still waiting... I want to know how many banks in a row will develop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Banker it is, that's 4-in-a-rowRat farts! I thought you bet P.Anyway at PP BBBB my bet is 2 on P.Back to back 5s! What casino is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted October 24, 2011 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Rat farts! I thought you bet P.Anyway at PP BBBB my bet is 2 on P.Back to back 5s! What casino is this?Ok,ok so Dr. Ellis was correct, Player wins !leaves us as follows, starting with hand 1 of the shoeP8 B5P8 B3Tie 9/9B7 P1B8 P6B3 P1B9 P0P4 B2Or, P241(unconfirmed)Staying with my 1,1,2,2,4 progression, It seems that maybe OTB4L is looking good so I will stay on the P for another hand for 1 unit.deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Ok,ok so Dr. Ellis was correct, Player wins !leaves us as follows, starting with hand 1 of the shoeP8 B5P8 B3Tie 9/9B7 P1B8 P6B3 P1B9 P0P4 B2Or, P241(unconfirmed)Staying with my 1,1,2,2,4 progression, It seems that maybe OTB4L is looking good so I will stay on the P for another hand for 1 unit.deal!Right OTB4L 3 is still slightly edging out F2So at PP BBBB P I'm back to 1 unit on P and up 2 mil. overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waminc Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Missed last day. Would not have made a bet yet unyil now. Bet 1 unit on P looking for OTBL.Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users B@cc@r@t Posted October 24, 2011 Users Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I am up 2u now and look to bet 1u on the Player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Danicito Posted October 24, 2011 Users Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Because both the B and P have been repeating, I will bet 1 unit on P.What do you guys think about which OBT4L mode would be ok to start in here?I think Mode 2 is ok because I see a 2s and there aren't any 3s yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted October 24, 2011 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Missed last day. Would not have made a bet yet unyil now. Bet 1 unit on P looking for OTBL.BillBill, Dancito and and B@..........we were all wrong...it was the Banker...So, When I played the actual shoe, i said "OK" it is chop, but really another kind of streak and while i wanted to stay on OT4BL I decided to go back to Player side for 2 units...MY BET $50 ( 2 UNITS ON THE pLAYER, AND NOT FEELING REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT...)( my progression 1,1,2,2,4)Ellis can you help out with NOR, and Why? Bet progression?.NOTE I GLANCED UP AND LOOKED OVER AT THE OTHER TOTE BOARD ACROSS THE WAY, AND IT WAS 4p IN A ROW..reminder this is real playing conditions, real thoughts, real results.........welcome to the Jungle.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneybac Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) that is your first 1,maybe time to wait to see if it goes 1 again,1 still low in 8 plays, Edited October 24, 2011 by moneybac mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Because both the B and P have been repeating, I will bet 1 unit on P.What do you guys think about which OBT4L mode would be ok to start in here?I think Mode 2 is ok because I see a 2s and there aren't any 3s yetRight, but there HAS been a 4. OTB4L automatically beats 2s. with OTB4l Mode is decided by which you are seeing more of between 3's = Mode 2 and 4's = mode 3. So according to NOR, OTB4L is in Mode 3 on straight runs but we don't know about ZZ runs yet.I believe the game now stands at PP BBBB P B. Since I do not yet know the ZZ Mode, my bet is only 1 unit on B.Right now my score stands at +1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Right, but there HAS been a 4. OTB4L automatically beats 2s. with OTB4l Mode is decided by which you are seeing more of between 3's = Mode 2 and 4's = mode 3. So according to NOR, OTB4L is in Mode 3 on straight runs but we don't know about ZZ runs yet.I believe the game now stands at PP BBBB P B. Since I do not yet know the ZZ Mode, my bet is only 1 unit on B.Right now my score stands at +1.Well, here we go and the chop was "on"' resulting in a Player win. Fortunately, I guessed right and brought me back to Even for the shoeNow the shoe stood at PP BBBB P B PFor me, my next bet was placed on Banker for one unit, as I was still thinking chop and the 1's had their own little streak going..Anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneybac Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 so that would be a sap move,1's take over,now 1's are normal except it's early and there's a 4,but go with a b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Well, here we go and the chop was "on"' resulting in a Player win. Fortunately, I guessed right and brought me back to Even for the shoeNow the shoe stood at PP BBBB P B PFor me, my next bet was placed on Banker for one unit, as I was still thinking chop and the 1's had their own little streak going..Anyone else?I'll stick with OTB4L 3 for one more play. 2 on P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waminc Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 I should spend more time here. I see I lost my first bet and would have followed with another OTBL bet on B and lost that as well...-2 units and holding for a better definition of the shoe. Possible F shoe with the 4 in a row and a ZZ run starting.Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Danicito Posted October 25, 2011 Users Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Sorry I am newbie about these baccarat Terms.- What does ZZ mean?- OBTL Mode 3 says that: in this sequence PP BBBB P B P the bet would be B instead of P right?Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Hi Dan,ZZ = Zig Zag PBPBPBOTB4L Mode 3 means stay OTB4L for 3 losing bets. You win on P at play 7, not counting ties. From there, your 3 OTB4L bets are PBP. Now we are waiting to see if that last P bet won or lost.Recognize that during a ZZ run when we say to either stop betting after 3 losses or go on the run, we mean go on the ZZ run. But we haven't lost 3 bets yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 I should spend more time here. I see I lost my first bet and would have followed with another OTBL bet on B and lost that as well...-2 units and holding for a better definition of the shoe. Possible F shoe with the 4 in a row and a ZZ run starting.BillI have played with Bill in Biloxi, MS. several times, and I understand if us old-timers are sometimes uncertain, then we all can benefit by learning NOR, Sys 40, SAP counts, etc!Well, the result WAS a Banker, and good call by newbie to the forum Dancito, asking about a bit of terminology...FYI, it is explained in many of the previous posts, and that is the beautiful thing about this forum, it is "built on prior concepts, prior testing, prior "best practices concepts" have a look, Dan and you will see...AGAIN, does not mean a.n.y. bet is 4sure...reminder about the 50/50 rule... ----------------We strive to "win" the shoe/get-in/get-out with our predetermined stop-losses, etc. We have learned that this is the best path to success...So I am up a unit now after four 1's-in-a-row, but do I keep up with the mini streak of chop? OK, so I will, and I will just FOLLOW-THE-SHOE, and bet another "chop" to Player for my next bet. This streak ( of 1's) is getting a bit long-in-the-tooth, but when I was actually at the table, I felt it was the best thing to do... ( ps --I am following my own 1,1,2,2,4 progression up and down, as i am betting much more than table minimums...) REMINDER- MONEY MANAGEMENT IS A PERSONAL thing, but you have to have a MM strategy in mind...and stick to it....We shall see, right? Oh, and the Cocktail Waitress just showed up, right as I was betting! ( one of my oersonal superstitions about betting is if the CW shows up right as a bet is being placed, look out)Oh well, too late as the dealer has just dealt the cards...should have looked both ways before crossing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 I should spend more time here. I see I lost my first bet and would have followed with another OTBL bet on B and lost that as well...-2 units and holding for a better definition of the shoe. Possible F shoe with the 4 in a row and a ZZ run starting.BillRight Bill, it's still a close call. One more opposite and we have a + OR count. That would also make S40 2 a reasonable choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 So what are we at? PP BBBB P B P B ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeystyle Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 So what are we at? PP BBBB P B P B ?Great idea to ask what does the entire shoe looks like up to this point,Ellis. Otherwise, we have to continue to scroll down to find out what each previous decision was. Let the moderator be aware of that as we continue, to give all prior results up until the newest decision being revealed. That being said, I will place 1 unit on Banker. This is a great exercise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 So what are we at? PP BBBB P B P B ?yes that is exactly where we are at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 yes that is exactly where we are atOK got it. I bet 1 on P.That means we have a 4 straight followed by a 5 ZZ so far. Very unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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