$30000 in 30 days?

[Action Mike]

Question For Ellis or the members ...i'm assuming 95% of us have NOT won over 10,000 in a session if we are really going to try the million dollar challenge i do have a question when you win 25,000 at a time on the 40 shoes do they take taxes out there or how does that work?

Mike

Unlike Slot machines, table games are between you and the IRS....no withhilding or reporting done other than a form if you happen to handle more than 10000 in actual cash, which isn't applicable to checks, wire transfers or markers.

[Action Mike]

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Ive always found when i bet bigger units the money is more significant and therefore easier to run after a +10 wouldnt you agree if 1000 or 2000 a day doesnt get you excited then um i dont know what to tell you!! Like Ellis says you have to approach this as a job keep accurate score cards keep an excel spread sheet that as soon as you come home from the casino you fill out date casino unit size # of hands played +/- Units expenses yes expenses gas tolls mileage and at total for the day after you hit your first 100 unit win increase your unit size as Ellis suggests. Discipline is definately key to your success.

I carry my laptop with me when I travel and I log every shoe for dollars won/lost casino played, date, and some notes.....in regards to unit size and winnings all things are relative....normally 2000 a day is enough, yes, however I have goals to make and a timeframe...a more realistic goal I use is doubling my bankroll on a daily basis

[Action Mike]

Mike, After every loss take a short break and reread post 2 of this thread if you have a device you can use with you(I take it you have as you are doing your up dates regularly)the Ellis Blue Print on how to tackle your challenge.Get your mind right then go again!

Best of Luck,

Lou.

After careful consideration of my play for the last 5 days, I've decided to go home and take a break for a few days to refocus before trying again....I still have 34 days to make my goal

[BaccDJ126]

Thanks Mike i wasnt sure if casinos took out taxes on money won at the tables only have to win 450 units up the chain seems like alot but attainable!! was your trip successful Mike

[ztomsk]

Ellis, in your System40 manual, it states to use a U1D2 M2 progression.

Senior moment maybe?

Ha - yea I saw that too. Just read through the s40 Manual again and forgot how chalk full of information was in it. I wonder if we'll be using SAP like in the manual to determine modes... or just go by the 3 bet rule... or a + - count... or whatever.

When you read through the manual it makes so much sense as a holistic approach. And it gives you a lot of confidence after reading it. I hope we can iron out any wrinkles and everyone will be winning +5 and more betting big units.

[Baccarat A]

Now our object is to get some of our -18 on 3 or mores back.

So we bet 1 unit under our 3. We will win half the time and lose half the time. But when we lose that 1, under the next 3 we bet 2. Should we lose that, next 3 we bet 3. We are merely trying to break even. So on the half of our 3s that go to 4 we make 1 of those -18 units back. On the 3s where we lose the 1 and then eventually win the 2, we make another unit back.

So yes, it is possible to get 3 3s before you get a 4 or more. In that rare case if you insist on continuing to bet that 3 will go to 4, you will lose your 123.

That would put you down 6 but remember that you started out up +9. Are you starting to get it?

So what, if any is the stop loss for this 2 Hi system with the side bet progression? I just played RIP Norm’s 4th shoe from his 60 Vegas Shoes. The start is rough. P324. So you start out loosing 3 units to the 3, 1 unit to the side bet and 1 unit to the 2nd B for -5. You recover winning a 2 bet on the first of the 4 P’s, but then lose the next two for -6. If you have the intestinal fortitude looking at the 3 above to make the 2 bet on the 4th player, you are home free. It’s followed by a ZZ8 and then the shoe is streaky; actually a perfect F3. And this isn’t the worst start. A 3,3 would have you down 9. Sooo….how far down do we go?

[Quizzical1]

So what, if any is the stop loss for this 2 Hi system with the side bet progression? I just played RIP Norm’s 4th shoe from his 60 Vegas Shoes. The start is rough. P324. So you start out loosing 3 units to the 3, 1 unit to the side bet and 1 unit to the 2nd B for -5. You recover winning a 2 bet on the first of the 4 P’s, but then lose the next two for -6. If you have the intestinal fortitude looking at the 3 above to make the 2 bet on the 4th player, you are home free. It’s followed by a ZZ8 and then the shoe is streaky; actually a perfect F3. And this isn’t the worst start. A 3,3 would have you down 9. Sooo….how far down do we go?

I was just about to post similar questions about shoes that start high (e.g. P434....etc) since I'm experiencing the same initial losses.

How did you / do you handle them Ellis?

[Guest]

I was just about to post similar questions about shoes that start high (e.g. P434....etc) since I'm experiencing the same initial losses.

How did you / do you handle them Ellis?

I'm thinking you guys posted before seeing my post telling you it is prudent to go down 2 on winning bets of 5 or more and down 3 on winning bets of 8 or more. That removes nearly all of the risk.

But let's go a step further: Betting a run will be followed by 2 opposites is a good bet in most shoes but certainly not all.

If that is not what the shoe at hand is doing, fine, bet on what the shoe IS doing. THAT, after all, is what Baccarat is all about.

The stop loss for NOR is still -8. I don't think you need a stop loss for the twist. Use down 2 and down 3 instead.

But also, it the twist bet selection you have chosen is not hitting, fine, bail out by changing your bet selection to what IS happening the most.

Every shoe ever dealt is high in SOMETHING. Is it P? Is it B? Is it Opposites? Is it Repeats? Is it OTB4L? Is it TB4L?

It CAN'T be low in everything. That is a mathematical impossibility. All you need for U1D1M2 is a 50% hit rate. When you go down 2 at winning bets of 5 or more, you don't even need a 50 % hit rate.

You don't need counts. Just look at your score card. What SHOULD you be betting on?

[Quizzical1]

I'm thinking you guys posted before seeing my post telling you it is prudent to go down 2 on winning bets of 5 or more and down 3 on winning bets of 8 or more. That removes nearly all of the risk.

But let's go a step further: Betting a run will be followed by 2 opposites is a good bet in most shoes but certainly not all.

If that is not what the shoe at hand is doing, fine, bet on what the shoe IS doing. THAT, after all, is what Baccarat is all about.

The stop loss for NOR is still -8. I don't think you need a stop loss for the twist. Use down 2 and down 3 instead.

But also, it the twist bet selection you have chosen is not hitting, fine, bail out by changing your bet selection to what IS happening the most.

Every shoe ever dealt is high in SOMETHING. Is it P? Is it B? Is it Opposites? Is it Repeats? Is it OTB4L? Is it TB4L?

It CAN'T be low in everything. That is a mathematical impossibility. All you need for U1D1M2 is a 50% hit rate. When you go down 2 at winning bets of 5 or more, you don't even need a 50 % hit rate.

You don't need counts. Just look at your score card. What SHOULD you be betting on?

Makes sense Ellis.

Is this how you and Ann played it way back when using Basic S40?

Another question, would a safe way to play be to start out following the shoe using TB4L which catches all streaks and ZZ runs and be "on watch" for its Achilles heel which is 2-2's?

[Guest]

So what, if any is the stop loss for this 2 Hi system with the side bet progression? I just played RIP Norm’s 4th shoe from his 60 Vegas Shoes. The start is rough. P324. So you start out loosing 3 units to the 3, 1 unit to the side bet and 1 unit to the 2nd B for -5. You recover winning a 2 bet on the first of the 4 P’s, but then lose the next two for -6. If you have the intestinal fortitude looking at the 3 above to make the 2 bet on the 4th player, you are home free. It’s followed by a ZZ8 and then the shoe is streaky; actually a perfect F3. And this isn’t the worst start. A 3,3 would have you down 9. Sooo….how far down do we go?

You don't ALWAYS play BaS40 in Mode 2. You'd want a choppy table first. Try that shoe in Mode 1. You finish at -1.

But also, while you CAN start at play 2, I think it best to wait for a 2iar. In that case M2 finishes at 0.

[Dazza]

Hi

Is there any chance if getting a play by play. Explaining all the rules

Please. And all the things that can happen and what to do etc.

Would really help learning this system before it gets to confusing. With all little extra things added to it

Thanks

Dazza

[Guest]

Makes sense Ellis.

Is this how you and Ann played it way back when using Basic S40?

Another question, would a safe way to play be to start out following the shoe using TB4L which catches all streaks and ZZ runs and be "on watch" for its Achilles heel which is 2-2's?

Glen, I was strictly talking about the Twist in that post when I said go down 2 on winning bets of 5 or more. And the Twist is strictly a side bet on top of whatever system you are playing.

Ann and I strictly played BaS40 in mode 2 to win 40 shoes in a row but I should have mentioned that we waited for a 2iar to start.

But see I had not invented OTB4L at that point.

Today, NOR players know an OTB4L shoe when they see it.

But we can use the same prog within a prog feature with OTB4L to play it a much safer way. When you lose a 2, bet 1 under the 4iar. And if that loses bet 2 under the next 4iar. Going back to that 324 shoe start, OTB4L would already have hit +5 and if we continued on after that we would be at +2 with a 1 bet due under the 4iar - still in pretty good shape.

Brand new members can play exactly as Ann and I played until they learn more.

NOR players are better off to chose between BaS40 and BaOTB4L or even BaF, or BaTB4L.

In all cases the Ba feature means to go back to 1 after a losing 2 and go with the prog within a prog. But your stop win is only +5.

If you choose to go on after that, capture +4.

In other words, we can still play all 3 of the NOR systems if we know how plus TB4L. But we bet the BASIC much more conservative prog within a prog way and make our stop win +5.

The whole idea is to have an effective but conservative way to get to +5. If we can do that, then we are ready to try the million dollar plan. Because that is all that is needed for the million dollar plan - a bunch of +5 shoes.

So we get out of a lot of shoes early. Good, that gives us time for breaks. Hey, if we are going for a million dollars, we're gonna need some breaks.

Now, I've only just started teaching this +5 thing. We want to be playing much better than Ann and I were. We know a lot more today about how to safely get to +5. We STILL won't always make it. But fortunately the million dollar program does NOT need you to win every shoe. We can screw up a little now and then and STILL get to a million dollars. That's the beauty of it.

I of course realize that a million dollars sounds a bit much. But look at it this way: All it really needs is for you to win +5 more often than you lose - 5.

That sounds a lot more practical doesn't it. That is why I think the whole direction of the forum needs to be about the best and safest ways to win +5 more often than you don't. Because if we can do that, we can win a million dollars. Im thinking that is what this forum needs to be about. I'm thinking what it DOESN'T need to be about is the most complex way possible to win +5.

Now, if you like the idea of a little Twist along the way, just for the fun of it - Fine! But let's do that in a SAFE way. Sticking with U1D1M2 no matter what is NOT a safe way. We must go down 2 and we must switch bet selection at a prudent point. Agreed Kevin? Aren't you glad I bailed you out?

[Quizzical1]

Glen, I was strictly talking about the Twist in that post when I said go down 2 on winning bets of 5 or more. And the Twist is strictly a side bet on top of whatever system you are playing.

Ann and I strictly played BaS40 in mode 2 to win 40 shoes in a row but I should have mentioned that we waited for a 2iar to start.

But see I had not invented OTB4L at that point.

Today, NOR players know an OTB4L shoe when they see it.

But we can use the same prog within a prog feature with OTB4L to play it a much safer way. When you lose a 2, bet 1 under the 4iar. And if that loses bet 2 under the next 4iar. Going back to that 324 shoe start, OTB4L would already have hit +5 and if we continued on after that we would be at +2 with a 1 bet due under the 4iar - still in pretty good shape.

Brand new members can play exactly as Ann and I played until they learn more.

NOR players are better off to chose between BaS40 and BaOTB4L or even BaF, or BaTB4L.

In all cases the Ba feature means to go back to 1 after a losing 2 and go with the prog within a prog. But your stop win is only +5.

If you choose to go on after that, capture +4.

In other words, we can still play all 3 of the NOR systems if we know how plus TB4L. But we bet the BASIC much more conservative prog within a prog way and make our stop win +5.

The whole idea is to have an effective but conservative way to get to +5. If we can do that, then we are ready to try the million dollar plan. Because that is all that is needed for the million dollar plan - a bunch of +5 shoes.

So we get out of a lot of shoes early. Good, that gives us time for breaks. Hey, if we are going for a million dollars, we're gonna need some breaks.

Now, I've only just started teaching this +5 thing. We want to be playing much better than Ann and I were. We know a lot more today about how to safely get to +5. We STILL won't always make it. But fortunately the million dollar program does NOT need you to win every shoe. We can screw up a little now and then and STILL get to a million dollars. That's the beauty of it.

I of course realize that a million dollars sounds a bit much. But look at it this way: All it really needs is for you to win +5 more often than you lose - 5.

That sounds a lot more practical doesn't it. That is why I think the whole direction of the forum needs to be about the best and safest ways to win +5 more often than you don't. Because if we can do that, we can win a million dollars. Im thinking that is what this forum needs to be about. I'm thinking what it DOESN'T need to be about is the most complex way possible to win +5.

Now, if you like the idea of a little Twist along the way, just for the fun of it - Fine! But let's do that in a SAFE way. Sticking with U1D1M2 no matter what is NOT a safe way. We must go down 2 and we must switch bet selection at a prudent point. Agreed Kevin? Aren't you glad I bailed you out?

EXACTLY! That's where I was headed, Ellis.

[ztomsk]

But we can use the same prog within a prog feature with OTB4L to play it a much safer way. When you lose a 2, bet 1 under the 4iar. And if that loses bet 2 under the next 4iar.

Do you think it's best if you are already winning and in the right NOR system to always go OTR? The "3 bet rule" would have a 2 bet ATR. I understand that however you choose to make the bet it won't always be right. If that were the case we'd all already have a million dollars!

Oh and if you do decide to bet ATR and you lose... Would you wait until the run ended to continue on?

[Sarrom]

Glen, I was strictly talking about the Twist in that post when I said go down 2 on winning bets of 5 or more. And the Twist is strictly a side bet on top of whatever system you are playing.

Ann and I strictly played BaS40 in mode 2 to win 40 shoes in a row but I should have mentioned that we waited for a 2iar to start.

But see I had not invented OTB4L at that point.

Today, NOR players know an OTB4L shoe when they see it.

But we can use the same prog within a prog feature with OTB4L to play it a much safer way. When you lose a 2, bet 1 under the 4iar. And if that loses bet 2 under the next 4iar. Going back to that 324 shoe start, OTB4L would already have hit +5 and if we continued on after that we would be at +2 with a 1 bet due under the 4iar - still in pretty good shape.

Brand new members can play exactly as Ann and I played until they learn more.

NOR players are better off to chose between BaS40 and BaOTB4L or even BaF, or BaTB4L.

In all cases the Ba feature means to go back to 1 after a losing 2 and go with the prog within a prog. But your stop win is only +5.

If you choose to go on after that, capture +4.

In other words, we can still play all 3 of the NOR systems if we know how plus TB4L. But we bet the BASIC much more conservative prog within a prog way and make our stop win +5.

The whole idea is to have an effective but conservative way to get to +5. If we can do that, then we are ready to try the million dollar plan. Because that is all that is needed for the million dollar plan - a bunch of +5 shoes.

So we get out of a lot of shoes early. Good, that gives us time for breaks. Hey, if we are going for a million dollars, we're gonna need some breaks.

Now, I've only just started teaching this +5 thing. We want to be playing much better than Ann and I were. We know a lot more today about how to safely get to +5. We STILL won't always make it. But fortunately the million dollar program does NOT need you to win every shoe. We can screw up a little now and then and STILL get to a million dollars. That's the beauty of it.

I of course realize that a million dollars sounds a bit much. But look at it this way: All it really needs is for you to win +5 more often than you lose - 5.

That sounds a lot more practical doesn't it. That is why I think the whole direction of the forum needs to be about the best and safest ways to win +5 more often than you don't. Because if we can do that, we can win a million dollars. Im thinking that is what this forum needs to be about. I'm thinking what it DOESN'T need to be about is the most complex way possible to win +5.

Now, if you like the idea of a little Twist along the way, just for the fun of it - Fine! But let's do that in a SAFE way. Sticking with U1D1M2 no matter what is NOT a safe way. We must go down 2 and we must switch bet selection at a prudent point. Agreed Kevin? Aren't you glad I bailed you out?

Hi Ellis,

This BA approach sounds to me like NOR, but rather than playing 'through' the OTR situations, we play 'within' them by means of mini step progressions. The BAS40 would simply be OTB4L with an OTR mini prog. Is this correct?

If the basic BA goal was to break even in 3iar+ situations, why wouldn't we just skip the OTR's completely and resume play on fulfilled mode 3's and wait for the completion of mode 2's (staying OTR)?

If we lose a 2 bet while playing opposites, would we loop back to a 1 bet for the next set, or play a 2/3?

You mentioned fate in one of your first post on this thread. The night I opened up this thread for a read, I had gone to bed with the intention of finding a post regarding short win targets. A hit and run method with a goal of 5 units. I guess I picked it out of the Ether. If we randomly approached tables with bas40 and we were playing frequencies only, where would be the bias we are playing to? This seems more like a math play and I thought math plays didn't work for bacc? Unless, this particular play strategy is break even over a perfect distribution of outcomes, and we are playing to hit a crest of favorable distributions and quit...

Am I missing something?

[Sarrom]

Correction to my last post.

I meant s40m2, not otb4l.

Which brings me to another thought... If 4iars+ are so uncommon, why not play a 1,2,4 prog on opposites in OR+ shoes? Maybe the progression can be contingent on 2 factors such as no 4 iars and a positive OR count. We could play it by column, trending, or even some sort of +OR true count like with BJ counting. If we are playing to hit and run, an easy set of goals like this makes sense to me.

Granted, I'm a little koo koo so if I'm more than a little off the mark, just toss me a word slap.

[ztomsk]

If the basic BA goal was to break even in 3iar+ situations' date=' why wouldn't we just skip the OTR's completely[/quote']

I've thought about that as well. Doesn't seem great only playing one system. But picking the right system I see some serious potential.

Even doing U1D1 throughout only on your 1,2 bets.

[samjai]

yes Ellis please create something more stable so we can treat it as a job and we need system cover almost all events and boat that sail steady in casino condition and after all the 4d headace lets make some strong system so we can relax a bit and i will start my 6 hours casino job :}

[kachatz1]

As always , Ellis comes to the rescue!

A good FireMan always has a mask,a big hose, and a pick-axe at the ready he gets into a major firestorm.

One who habitually regards " being in jail" as three square meals, a bed and a toilet ( sound familiar?) hardly knows how / when/ why " what to do " when they get out of jail, or how to handle things when they return. It's also why they off-times come back"..

A REALLY GOOD Poker player only plays 10-20% of all hands ( forget what you see on TV!)...and I think we at headed there in Our BTC teachings ( it does not take a lot to win 5+ units " average" per shoe...

But we must all learn this:

----- a good Baccarat player prepares for every battle/every shoe/every session as if , and only if, he/she is GOING to win ( not maybe, not likely, but GOING TO WIN)

And YES, an insufficient bankroll to handle the vagaries of the game is one of the number one enemies of us all.?..whether flat betting, using a progression, or playing THE TWIST selectively...

Just like in starting a business, it is best you have a concise " exit strategy" prepared in advance the day you open the doors....

I know... I have started 8 businesses ( the largest of which reached $100 million in sales and was sold to an international Private Equity firm ....and two of which I closed within 6 months after losing a lot of money....the rest fell somewhere in-between...

and I have worked for a Fortune 1000 company as a senior executive,

And worked for several of what used to be known as THE BIG-8 accounting firms ( now the BIG-4),

and one of the largest privately -held US based, Chinese-owned companies in the world, and served as one of several members of the Owner/President's staff... And yet never learned more than counting to 10 in Mandarin...

So WHY does this matter?

Frankly, with respect to baccarat it doesn't.

Except, it did instill in me a strong work ethic, one which persists today ( yes I use a scorecard every hand, recording every result)

And YES, learning to respect /conduct discussions with the same fervor, whether with the Janitor, or the CEO of multi, multi Billion $$ corporations gives one a sense of hubris ( no, I am not afraid to help others be as successful as I have been fortunate enough to have others help/ guide me)

----- so YES, as many of you know, I am willing to help Y.O.U.

Then there is the sense of humor, the willingness to give credit to others where credit is due, rather than accepting it for oneself ( it takes a Village...)

This I have to credit to Mom and Dad, and the many, many from whom help/advice/counsel/ criticism was offered along the way

In summary, you are getting a BACCARAT education that makes the " price of admission" almost embarrassing.

-------it should cost way, way, way more $$

And the only reason it doesn't is we have a gifted, kind gentleman leading the way...and a constructive, participative, caring " community" of members willing to share...

Can we really win $30,000 in 30 days?..

Or a million $ in 10 days?

Well, it depends...

On you.

Are you willing to learn.?

Are you willing to accept simple instruction?

Are you willing to put the time-and-effort in to reading, and re-reading the many 1000's of posts on this forum?

Can you "discipline yourself" to ignore the built-in distractions of the Casino?

Etc.

Etc.

YES, it is up to you.

[Guest]

Hmmm, I used to have a big hose!

[Action Mike]

Since I took a break for a couple of days, and it is a new month, I decided to venture out locally. Keeping in mind it is a saturday night, I worked diligently to minimize risk. The plan was to bet 2-Hi for 2 shoes at +5 each then go home.

First shoe I stuck to the program, got in a good shoe at play 28 and it had its first tie on my 3rd bet and the second tie on my 5th bet. From there the pattern changed and I was down 3 units, so I stayed out 3 hands and got back in to win the shoe +6 at hand 66.

Second shoe, after placing my first bet (and losing) thier card machine broke so they had to shuffle. I went to another table.

Third shoe, Played to +5 and left. Wasn't in for more than 20 hands.

Fourth shoe, went back to table that had equipment failure. Entered at hand 7. Equipment failure at hand 15 with me down 4 units. Left table again.

Fifth shoe showing nothing but 2s and 3s upon arival. When I sat down it started going with some 1s plus ties, and since I was playing OT4BL, I went down 4 units, then quickly returned to +8 before quitting.

Sixth shoe, back to broken table. Third time is the charm. It was about hand 7 and I started to play positive progression since I won the first hand and figured I only had about 5 hands before machine broke. I got to +8 before hand 20 and went home since I had now beat every table that was open.

So I've officially had a winning day and I'm ahead 26 units. I played a little longer than I had planned, but I felt I was handling my betting discipline well, so why not. March has 31 days, so I'm back on my way to the goal!

P.S. It really isn't that hard getting to +5 with 2HI and as a side benefit, I never saw -6. Wish I had figured this out a while ago

[Baccarat A]

Congrats! Good going.

[Guest]

Since I took a break for a couple of days, and it is a new month, I decided to venture out locally. Keeping in mind it is a saturday night, I worked diligently to minimize risk. The plan was to bet 2-Hi for 2 shoes at +5 each then go home.

First shoe I stuck to the program, got in a good shoe at play 28 and it had its first tie on my 3rd bet and the second tie on my 5th bet. From there the pattern changed and I was down 3 units, so I stayed out 3 hands and got back in to win the shoe +6 at hand 66.

Second shoe, after placing my first bet (and losing) thier card machine broke so they had to shuffle. I went to another table.

Third shoe, Played to +5 and left. Wasn't in for more than 20 hands.

Fourth shoe, went back to table that had equipment failure. Entered at hand 7. Equipment failure at hand 15 with me down 4 units. Left table again.

Fifth shoe showing nothing but 2s and 3s upon arival. When I sat down it started going with some 1s plus ties, and since I was playing OT4BL, I went down 4 units, then quickly returned to +8 before quitting.

Sixth shoe, back to broken table. Third time is the charm. It was about hand 7 and I started to play positive progression since I won the first hand and figured I only had about 5 hands before machine broke. I got to +8 before hand 20 and went home since I had now beat every table that was open.

So I've officially had a winning day and I'm ahead 26 units. I played a little longer than I had planned, but I felt I was handling my betting discipline well, so why not. March has 31 days, so I'm back on my way to the goal!

P.S. It really isn't that hard getting to +5 with 2HI and as a side benefit, I never saw -6. Wish I had figured this out a while ago

Exactly right! Why not make our goal an avg of +5? It is a much easier goal than +20. MUCH easier! Every student here can learn how to avgerage +5, especially if I concentrate on teaching how to do that using the surest and safest ways.

Look, +5 is just as good as +20. JUST AS GOOD! We are merely playing black instead of green. We need to learn to use chip color as a tool rather than something to be afraid of. We need to put chip color on OUR side rather than the casino's. No! We don't increase our risk. We only move up in chip color when we can easily afford to do that. And NO, we don't need to win every shoe. We merly need to AVERAGE +5. You will know when to go more than +5. The shoe tells you. Right Mike? Isn't that a whole lot easier? But here's the thing -

ANYBODY who can average +5 can become a millionaire. It is simple arithmetic.

The secret to it is the prog within a prog. And we can deploy this trick with either S40 or OTB4L. So OK we've got both choppy and neutral shoes covered. Streaky shoes we deploy S40M1. EVERYONE needs to learn that. It is extremely simple. You simply go OTR after ONE losing bet (M1) instead of 2 (M2) or 3 (M3). And once on a run you STAY on the run because you got on the run so early. (the third circle you are already on a straight run) ZZ runs you are on from the FIRST circle. THAT is what will give you an easy +20 every now and then which does wonders for your +5 average.

Mike, am I telling it like it IS or what?

[Quizzical1]

Exactly right! Why not make our goal an avg of +5? It is a much easier goal than +20. MUCH easier! Every student here can learn how to avgerage +5, especially if I concentrate on teaching how to do that using the surest and safest ways.

Look, +5 is just as good as +20. JUST AS GOOD! We are merely playing black instead of green. We need to learn to use chip color as a tool rather than something to be afraid of. We need to put chip color on OUR side rather than the casino's. No! We don't increase our risk. We only move up in chip color when we can easily afford to do that. And NO, we don't need to win every shoe. We merly need to AVERAGE +5. You will know when to go more than +5. The shoe tells you. Right Mike? Isn't that a whole lot easier? But here's the thing -

ANYBODY who can average +5 can become a millionaire. It is simple arithmetic.

The secret to it is the prog within a prog. And we can deploy this trick with either S40 or OTB4L. So OK we've got both choppy and neutral shoes covered. Streaky shoes we deploy S40M1. EVERYONE needs to learn that. It is extremely simple. You simply go OTR after ONE losing bet (M1) instead of 2 (M2) or 3 (M3). And once on a run you STAY on the run because you got on the run so early. (the third circle you are already on a straight run) ZZ runs you are on from the FIRST circle. THAT is what will give you an easy +20 every now and then which does wonders for your +5 average.

Mike, am I telling it like it IS or what?

Ellis, can this method be used effectively starting with a new shoe by waiting 5 hands or so to determine direction?

[Action Mike]

Ellis, can this method be used effectively starting with a new shoe by waiting 5 hands or so to determine direction?

Ellis hit it on the head on his prior post. And Quizzical, that is pretty much how I play so i would say yes.