Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Action Mike Posted March 2, 2014 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Sixth shoe, back to broken table. Third time is the charm. It was about hand 7 and I started to play positive progression since I won the first hand and figured I only had about 5 hands before machine broke. I got to +8 before hand 20 and went home since I had now beat every table that was open.Thought about this some more last night. This is another area I will be working on in my future play. While I did OK last night, the reason I failed in Vegas was I continued to play a table that I got beat on every time, thinking if I maintained more discipline I could actually beat the table. The reality was it just got more frustrating every time I lost 2 in a row and caused me to further second guess myself. Table selection is very important. If you have a bad history on a table, might be a good idea to avoid it no matter what instead of trying to put the feather in the cap to say I finally beat that table. Last month I lost enough to cover a year at any ivy league school, or a 4 year degree in some pretty good schools. This thread has enough information to make that "investment" pay back very quickly. Quote Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Figure out a way to win at baccarat that fits your lifestyle, you don't have to eat fish anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedda Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Ellis, are there any thoughts of include netbetting into this "strategy" in some way? Or maybe I've misunderstood and the prog within a prog gives us the same ROI in the end? My question is based on my thoughts about the greatness in netbetting, bet less - win more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnycs1 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 NO....NO ....NO.............Got a simple and plain , easy to follow , for everyone .......Ellis endorsed , with no complex counts , almost sure fire way to win 4 or 5 units..........why taint it ??Thats my reasoning !! 'IF IT AIN'T BROKE .......DON'T TRY TO FIX IT " !!!FORGET ALL THAT .......JUST GO AND PICKUP YOUR NICE DAYS PAY , WITH NO HEADACHES AND GO HOME ! HELLO ?johnny/albuquerque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quizzical1 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 NO....NO ....NO.............Got a simple and plain , easy to follow , for everyone .......Ellis endorsed , with no complex counts , almost sure fire way to win 4 or 5 units..........why taint it ??Thats my reasoning !! 'IF IT AIN'T BROKE .......DON'T TRY TO FIX IT " !!!FORGET ALL THAT .......JUST GO AND PICKUP YOUR NICE DAYS PAY , WITH NO HEADACHES AND GO HOME ! HELLO ?johnny/albuquerqueAwesome! Are all the rules completed yet so they can be posted in one paragraph? Maybe a few sample shoes to show how to play different start scenarios and such? I'm still piecing together snippets from other posts to try and formulate a game plan. Quote Regards,Glenn"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration...do your homework" Thomas A. Edison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Lol just when I thought I was getting 4D everything changes. Ok since 4D is very difficult, Ellis can you please post the "complete" rules for the +5 system (prog within prog, net betting...etc) along with a few shoes with play by plays? Much appreciated. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnycs1 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Exactly right! Why not make our goal an avg of +5? It is a much easier goal than +20. MUCH easier! Every student here can learn how to avgerage +5, especially if I concentrate on teaching how to do that using the surest and safest ways.Look, +5 is just as good as +20. JUST AS GOOD! We are merely playing black instead of green. We need to learn to use chip color as a tool rather than something to be afraid of. We need to put chip color on OUR side rather than the casino's. No! We don't increase our risk. We only move up in chip color when we can easily afford to do that. And NO, we don't need to win every shoe. We merly need to AVERAGE +5. You will know when to go more than +5. The shoe tells you. Right Mike? Isn't that a whole lot easier? But here's the thing -ANYBODY who can average +5 can become a millionaire. It is simple arithmetic. The secret to it is the prog within a prog. And we can deploy this trick with either S40 or OTB4L. So OK we've got both choppy and neutral shoes covered. Streaky shoes we deploy S40M1. EVERYONE needs to learn that. It is extremely simple. You simply go OTR after ONE losing bet (M1) instead of 2 (M2) or 3 (M3). And once on a run you STAY on the run because you got on the run so early. (the third circle you are already on a straight run) ZZ runs you are on from the FIRST circle. THAT is what will give you an easy +20 every now and then which does wonders for your +5 average. Mike, am I telling it like it IS or what?I am looking forward to Kevin's view on this , finally , simple approach to the game of Bac !! And if he actually plays it a few times out there in Vegas and his results ?Finally , I think we have a game plan that we all can now follow , (even this little ole man ) and implement, without all those other ingredients/counts !Any thoughts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaccDJ126 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Ellis please help us take the million dollar challenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Ellis please help us take the million dollar challengeRight, I think it's time to start a new thread. "+5 unit million dollar program."Two threads: One we keep clean for the program and its rules that we won't post on and a second thread for questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat A Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Exactly right! Why not make our goal an avg of +5? It is a much easier goal than +20. MUCH easier! Every student here can learn how to avgerage +5, especially if I concentrate on teaching how to do that using the surest and safest ways.Look, +5 is just as good as +20. JUST AS GOOD! We are merely playing black instead of green. We need to learn to use chip color as a tool rather than something to be afraid of. We need to put chip color on OUR side rather than the casino's. No! We don't increase our risk. We only move up in chip color when we can easily afford to do that. And NO, we don't need to win every shoe. We merly need to AVERAGE +5. You will know when to go more than +5. The shoe tells you. Right Mike? Isn't that a whole lot easier? But here's the thing -ANYBODY who can average +5 can become a millionaire. It is simple arithmetic. The secret to it is the prog within a prog. And we can deploy this trick with either S40 or OTB4L. So OK we've got both choppy and neutral shoes covered. Streaky shoes we deploy S40M1. EVERYONE needs to learn that. It is extremely simple. You simply go OTR after ONE losing bet (M1) instead of 2 (M2) or 3 (M3). And once on a run you STAY on the run because you got on the run so early. (the third circle you are already on a straight run) ZZ runs you are on from the FIRST circle. THAT is what will give you an easy +20 every now and then which does wonders for your +5 average. Mike, am I telling it like it IS or what?So if I understand this correctly, we are trying to capture 5 units and primarily playing S40 and OTB4L. For safety sake, why not start the shoe net betting the two. Maybe a catchy name for this could be 3 D 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaccDJ126 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Right, I think it's time to start a new thread. "+5 unit million dollar program."Two threads: One we keep clean for the program and its rules that we won't post on and a second thread for questions.Sounds perfect Ellis there are about 20 guys ready to take the challenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 3, 2014 Users Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Mr. Davis, Remember what you said, no stupid questions, S40M1, you start betting opposites?So if I understand this correctly, we are trying to capture 5 units and primarily playing S40 and OTB4L. For safety sake, why not start the shoe net betting the two. Maybe a catchy name for this could be 3 D 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus One Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 This is becoming harder to achieve than originally perceived. Yeah if your math is right and on paper it looks good ,but at the casino it's another story. +5 all day being right for 1/3 of the shoe or before the trend changes i.e. from chop to streak; streak to chop; otb4l to chop. Messing with progressions within a progression. Ellis did his homework at the casino to achieve S40. I think we need to do the same. I think this is for the advance players. I'm still stuck with changing chip color. I don't know what it is lack of prep or practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 This is becoming harder to achieve than originally perceived. Yeah if your math is right and on paper it looks good ,but at the casino it's another story. +5 all day being right for 1/3 of the shoe or before the trend changes i.e. from chop to streak; streak to chop; otb4l to chop. Messing with progressions within a progression. Ellis did his homework at the casino to achieve S40. I think we need to do the same. I think this is for the advance players. I'm still stuck with changing chip color. I don't know what it is lack of prep or practice.Yes, I did my homework - for 30 years. The first prerequisite of a good approach is it MUST be simple enough the average player can totally understand first the overall concept and then the system selection and then the intricacies of the systems used.I'm going back to the beginning, even before you step into the casino. What should you be thinking about?What is the difference between a gambler and a player?How should you schedule a casino trip to put the odds on your side?And then, what do you do once in the casio. What are you looking for?And then how to pick a table.What stakes should you play? What is your buy in?And then what to do once in the game. What is your score card telling you?And finally, when to quit the shoe as well as when to quit for the day.Some of you will only read the part about how to play. Sorry, I'm not going to put my money on you guys.I'll put my money on the guys who devote theirselves to knowing all the aspects of being a professional player rather than a mere gambler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 So if I understand this correctly, we are trying to capture 5 units and primarily playing S40 and OTB4L. For safety sake, why not start the shoe net betting the two. Maybe a catchy name for this could be 3 D 100.Very good Bac A. I'm thinking more like 4D1Million. We are employing 4 systems. In no particular order they are:Net BettingS40M1BaS40BaOTB4LAnd our ultimate goal is $1,000,000.Our immediate goal is to average 5 units a shoe or better.Yes, there is a time for net betting. The tote board will tell us when that is as well as what to net bet. But we never always do anything in Baccarat. Well, except maybe we ALWAYS start the best way for what the tote board is telling us. It will ALWAYS be one of the 4 above. But we never know which one until we see the tote board or at least another players scorecard. Starting in the blind is an unnecessary handicap to be avoided if at all possible. Which reminds me: The very first thing I learned becoming a professional player is to avoid Friday nights, Saturdays and Sundays like the plague. I've been teaching that for 30 years. As soon as I started doing that my play hours were cut in half but my profits tripled.Then why do we schedule play sessions for Sat nights when that is the worst possible time to play??? That is pure stupid and the sign of a gambler rather than a player. It goes against everything we teach. We have our seminars at dealer schools. They have tables there for every game. THAT is where we SHOULD be having our Sat night play sessions. The guys who want to go out and play casinos anyway - well they are gamblers- there is no stopping them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Mr. Davis, Remember what you said, no stupid questions, S40M1, you start betting opposites?Correct, all S40 systems start with opposites - preferably after 2 or 3 repeats.S40M1 You go OTR after 1 losing bet (Streak)S40M2 You go OTR after 2 losing bets (chop)S40M3 You go OTR after 3 losing bets (choppier)BaS40 means you go back to 1 after your first losing 2If you lose that 1 bet, you go 2 after the next losing 2 betAnd 3 after the next losing 2 betThis prog within a prog. We could call it a secondary prog. of 12358 Each bet of it comes ONLY after a losing 2 bet on your primary prog. You will see when we go over it - its really a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quizzical1 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Correct, all S40 systems start with opposites - preferably after 2 or 3 repeats.S40M1 You go OTR after 1 losing bet (Streak)S40M2 You go OTR after 2 losing bets (chop)S40M3 You go OTR after 3 losing bets (choppier)BaS40 means you go back to 1 after your first losing 2If you lose that 1 bet, you go 2 after the next losing 2 betAnd 3 after the next losing 2 betThis prog within a prog. We could call it a secondary prog. of 12358 Each bet of it comes ONLY after a losing 2 bet on your primary prog. You will see when we go over it - its really a no brainer.Awesome Ellis!Any ETA of when a few sample shoes will be available? Quote Regards,Glenn"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration...do your homework" Thomas A. Edison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ztomsk Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Seems like whether the shoe is high or low in 2IARs will determine a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Ah yes. We're slowly coming back "full circle" to the tried and true (and trusty) S40.I've used it since I first saw it posted here and realized it was a gem. For the longest time it was my "fall back" system play when I was out of ideas.The utter simplicity of it is what makes it a great play for a large number of people.Nailing down the correct "mode", as it were, will be the icing on the cake!MVS Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat A Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Correct, all S40 systems start with opposites - preferably after 2 or 3 repeats.S40M1 You go OTR after 1 losing bet (Streak)S40M2 You go OTR after 2 losing bets (chop)S40M3 You go OTR after 3 losing bets (choppier)BaS40 means you go back to 1 after your first losing 2If you lose that 1 bet, you go 2 after the next losing 2 betAnd 3 after the next losing 2 betThis prog within a prog. We could call it a secondary prog. of 12358 Each bet of it comes ONLY after a losing 2 bet on your primary prog. You will see when we go over it - its really a no brainer.I'm ready! Let's see the rules. That Fibonacci progression might get a little unsettling. If you get to that 8 unit bet you actually have 19 units at risk. Have you considered an u1d1 instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaccDJ126 Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 The suspense is killing me this like a Kachatz1 chubby checker suspense thread while we are waiting for the cliffhanger ending lolololololMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnChamer Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Very good Bac A. I'm thinking more like 4D1Million. WARNING... READ AT YOUR OWN RISK, BECAUSE NOW... I'm not a happy camper.Whoaaaaaaa! Wait just a minute there Eliis..... This Million Dollar system has absolutely nothing to do with 4D of which you were heavily touting in the fall of 2013 and even to the extent of hosting a 4D seminar in Vegas with a system that would provide us the answer to use a Super Bett!! Wow, so many people were so excited and followed our high IQ master...... Ellis C. Davis.. Whom I respect and seek his knowledgable advice but.. What I'm seeing does look well in many eyes other than myself. I've received numerous emails and text messages from other members about the 4D and the latest developments and texts received lately are... WTH is Ellis doing?I managed to read between the lines... Just in time...I am so glad I cancelled my trip to Vegas and I will tell you... If I had gone, and see what has happened now that you have abandoned the 4D method, I'd be PISSED! Furthermore, this system developers John and Fiona have offered so much effort over the past 4 years and you promoted the 4D to the extent that it had been complete and yet you still have nothing and was unable to supply members with a shoe and with no actual "Live play experience by yourself nor offered at Vegas to prove it works" SHAME ON YOU! The new Millino Dollar System IMHO does not deserve the associated name you are posting here. The only thing that is relevant is that you gave up on the 4D because you could not come up with a solid system to use therefore now the Million Dollar plan is a diversion to the 4D.One more little tidbit.... I am one of the earlier members to this forum dated approx 2006 whereas I was given an honorary membership to the private forum yet I was not grandfathered to get the NOR Approach free as others did. I say no more about this. Heck! I was there on the telephone with Ellis when we came up with OTB4L !I'm not saying that I disagree with the million Dollar plan.... 4D is not associated with it and therefore should not be named as.4D IS STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE.Not trying to get you upset Ellis, you're an intelligent person but lately, I'm disturbed of what I've seen on this forum. I think you are smarter than this.CC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigVic Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 WARNING... READ AT YOUR OWN RISK, BECAUSE NOW... I'm not a happy camper.Whoaaaaaaa! Wait just a minute there Eliis..... This Million Dollar system has absolutely nothing to do with 4D of which you were heavily touting in the fall of 2013 and even to the extent of hosting a 4D seminar in Vegas with a system that would provide us the answer to use a Super Bett!! Wow, so many people were so excited and followed our high IQ master...... Ellis C. Davis.. Whom I respect and seek his knowledgable advice but.. What I'm seeing does look well in many eyes other than myself. I've received numerous emails and text messages from other members about the 4D and the latest developments and texts received lately are... WTH is Ellis doing?I managed to read between the lines... Just in time...I am so glad I cancelled my trip to Vegas and I will tell you... If I had gone, and see what has happened now that you have abandoned the 4D method, I'd be PISSED! Furthermore, this system developers John and Fiona have offered so much effort over the past 4 years and you promoted the 4D to the extent that it had been complete and yet you still have nothing and was unable to supply members with a shoe and with no actual "Live play experience by yourself nor offered at Vegas to prove it works" SHAME ON YOU! The new Millino Dollar System IMHO does not deserve the associated name you are posting here. The only thing that is relevant is that you gave up on the 4D because you could not come up with a solid system to use therefore now the Million Dollar plan is a diversion to the 4D.One more little tidbit.... I am one of the earlier members to this forum dated approx 2006 whereas I was given an honorary membership to the private forum yet I was not grandfathered to get the NOR Approach free as others did. I say no more about this. Heck! I was there on the telephone with Ellis when we came up with OTB4L !I'm not saying that I disagree with the million Dollar plan.... 4D is not associated with it and therefore should not be named as.4D IS STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE.Not trying to get you upset Ellis, you're an intelligent person but lately, I'm disturbed of what I've seen on this forum. I think you are smarter than this.CCAt least you didn't pay the tidy fee of 5g's just to find out that the 4D wasn't what it was purported to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Wow I wish I had the passion and knowledge of 4D that CdnChamer has.I think there is a lot of frustration with the whole 4D thing and how it turned out. Including Ellis. When I was contemplating joining this forum I was told that the 4D is this amazing way to play and you don't have to do table selection and on average you win more units then NOR and other very positive things. What I wasn't told was that it's still being tested and that the rules are not complete and how difficult it can be to play. In spite of this I don't regret joining the forum. Having said that as to CdnChamer's point I don't think 4D should be mentioned with the "million dollar" system as to not invoke more frustration and confusion.Ellis you mentioned earlier about starting a thread for the "million dollar" system and posting the rules. Can you please let us know when this will be? And to avoid the frustration and confusion such as with the 4D I hope it is the complete up to date rules along with a sample score card with play by play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quizzical1 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 At least you didn't pay the tidy fee of 5g's just to find out that the 4D wasn't what it was purported to be.Wow! And I was disappointed after spending $350 for the 4D seminar that fizzled out at the end. I guess I should feel lucky, huh? LOL Quote Regards,Glenn"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration...do your homework" Thomas A. Edison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 6, 2014 Users Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I purchased a recorded copy of the 4D seminar. I wasn't happy watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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