Introduction to Million dollar Bac @ +5

[Guest]

On certain days i have been seeing less zz runs (1s are less), more of 2s and 3s and some 4s too in some tote boards. With occasionally runs of 6s 7s and 8s.

(What system should I be playing - I will get some sample shoes on this)

It seems like the shuffling machine is doing all this because I have never seen any new boxes of card being introduced in play.

dj, it would help me a lot to know whether the cards at your casino are regular or preshuffled. Just ask. I think they are regular but I'd like to know for sure.

But regular cards casinos have huge control over the complexion of the shoes with these highly sophisticated machines and like to present a moving target so you have to go by what you see on a given day:

High runs straight and/or ZZ is BaS40M1 (We prefer low 2s but it is no longer essential)

High 1s and 2s is BaS40

High 2s and 3s is BaOTB4L

So, if you are struggling you are likely not following the above recommendation. Check the shoe.

[Guest]

In reviewing the S40M1 +5 strategy shoe that was posted I have a few statements and then a question.

1 - After winning a secondary prog bet we go back to a zero bet for the next secondary prog.

2 - When the zero loses we bet our secondary prog bet that 2's will go to 3 (bet OTR).

3 - When the zero wins we bet our secondary prog bet that the 2's will stay 2 (bet ATR).

4 - each run of 4 or more determines how long you stay on the next run.

If these above statements are correct please explain to me play # 52 where 1 unit was bet OTR.

Does this mean that no matter how many times the 3iar does not go to 4iar we keep basing our decision on the last 4iar and ignore the fact that the previous 3iars stayed that way? This question may have been answered and I missed it. Thanks for the help.

High Steve! OK, you are referring to S40M1 +5 Strategy (Corrected) that begins B294.

Play #52. The current rule covering that play is with S40M1 only "Bet all 3s go to 4." Check and you'll see we did that throughout the shoe.

The reason we did that has to do with having 6s covered. In the event we are getting off of runs after 4, as we were in this shoe, we want to have 6s covered with our 123 prog. We can't be getting off at 3 because that leaves us S.O.L. on 6s which can be common in preshuffled cards.

See, if the shoe turns out to be high in 3s, we would be switching to BaOTB4L which beats 3s automatically with its primary prog.

Therefore with BaS40M1 we can afford to simply bet that all 3s go to 4. Get it?

[ztomsk]

High Steve! OK, you are referring to S40M1 +5 Strategy (Corrected) that begins B294.

Play #52. The current rule covering that play is with S40M1 only "Bet all 3s go to 4." Check and you'll see we did that throughout the shoe.

The reason we did that has to do with having 6s covered. In the event we are getting off of runs after 4, as we were in this shoe, we want to have 6s covered with our 123 prog. We can't be getting off at 3 because that leaves us S.O.L. on 6s which can be common in preshuffled cards.

Wasn't it a 1,2 ATR and then 1 back OTR if the 1,2 lost. Thought 7's were the culprit? (Provided we went off the run at 4iar)

[Guest]

Wasn't it a 1,2 ATR and then 1 back OTR if the 1,2 lost. Thought 7's were the culprit? (Provided we went off the run at 4iar)

Correct, I recommend stay on all runs if you are seeing high 7s. If not, either just a 1 ATR or a 1,2 ATR then go back OTR and stay there to remove the possibility of losing a 123 on runs.

a 123 ATR usually wins but is disaterous when it doesn't. -6

a 1,2 ATR then 1 OTR could lose a max of 4

a 1 ATR then a 1 OTR wins less often but loses a max of 2.

A lot depends on your score at the time. Which is the best scenario for +5.

And a lot depends on what runs have been doing and if and when you are getting off runs.

I have been seeing such high 5s in Vegas that I'm tempted to say when in Vegas, stay on all runs to at least 5.

[djricardo]

Hi Ellis,

The card is prepared in a preparation room. 8 decks arranged....they call it preshuffled. This set of card is then brought to the table and shuffled by the machine before use. 2 set are brought to the table....one in use and the other in the shuffling machine. Cards are changed every Monday and Friday morning. (That explains why I always lose on Fridays because the card preparation is hard.

8 decks of card used here. Every hand, one card is burned (i guess to prevent card counting or something just to make it tougher?)

I missed a repeat of 23 players tonite...there are runs of 10 and above taking place at nite...but at select tables.

[djricardo]

dj, it would help me a lot to know whether the cards at your casino are regular or preshuffled. Just ask. I think they are regular but I'd like to know for sure.

But regular cards casinos have huge control over the complexion of the shoes with these highly sophisticated machines and like to present a moving target so you have to go by what you see on a given day:

High runs straight and/or ZZ is BaS40M1 (We prefer low 2s but it is no longer essential)

High 1s and 2s is BaS40

High 2s and 3s is BaOTB4L

So, if you are struggling you are likely not following the above recommendation. Check the shoe.

I will try those Ba system with my recorded shoes which I have so far.

Hopefully Ba system is the solution.