William Looi Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 I think I am not using NOR the right way that is why I am losing most of the shoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 I am feeling very sad that I am not getting what I pay for this forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Hang in there William, a lot of work is being done on this site. I would love to help you, but I am honestly not playing NOR, and I just got back on this site a week ago. There is a lot of "gold" in the forums here. So I truly suggest reading everything you possibly can about NOR here. Read, take notes, and you will find a lot of "gems" on here to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ntrl9 Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 William- What specific questions are you looking for? I'm not a big NOR player but I do play S40 (exploit for small wins). I have played NOR in the past but currently play MDB mostly. Do you have the NOR manual? ntrl9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 I have NOR manual and play almost every hand. I was thinking a while and thinking for some time, I should not play every hand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 16, 2016 Users Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Read the post on last 3 events method Look for short term setups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeckam Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Hi William I m new too. IMHO,I think you should look for TBL shoes to play if you want to flat bet. As it is always M1. AAny comments from the other experienced players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 casino in asia most of the shoes have short trend, Hit and run may be ok. if flat bet very slow to get to your profit target. target for 3 unite per shoe what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 if you can win +3 units per shoe and do so consistently.....and then raise the unit amount by another unit size.....and so forth, you will be a very pleased with your success. Just always pay close attention, to what the shoe is doing, and isn't doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 17, 2016 Users Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Try to break the shoes down to short term setups and record the number of plays each bias lasts for Then you will see characteristics of your casinos shoes - how long does bias last? How many biases per shoe? How many times per shoe or number of shoes does a long bias come? I don't like TBL for short term setups but Pando from NZ plays only TBL / S40M1 so its different for everyone +3 consistently is ok average If you can minimise losing shoes to be -4 or -5 and extend good shoes to be +5 to +10 or more then that's really good Level up plan will make your +3 more exciting when you consider the potential.- always look at level up to remind you where you want to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 this two days I try not to bet every shoes and every hand but only choose good set up one , it is getting much better, for the random shoe I use MDB+ it is ok . I think it is good idea to do simple survey the type of shoes the casino is producing , before jump in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 17, 2016 Users Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 If you bet every hand you put yourself at even odds with the casino - except its never even odds because the house edge is against you. But the house edge is not the worst enemy. Whats really against you is: Time Emotion Bankroll Most other things associated with those 3 You can overcome those 3 things in the short term but in the long run you will lose because: The casino has bigger bankroll than you The casino has unlimited time The casino can use psychology against you.. If you play every hand in my opinion you are subjecting yourself to all of above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 William, I would sincerely suggest, that you practice at home, before putting your hard earned money to the test. Learn the basics, and also then learn to observe what a shoe is doing and isn't doing. Practice over and over, until you feel comfortable and develop the skill of seeing exactly what the shoe is doing. As you have seen, there are a lot of really good guys here willing to help you. So do try learning at home, and then you will know what to do, and when to do so in real time play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Thank Avion, I will continue to learn the art of identify baccarat shoe . Is there any where in the forum discuss about how to identify and inter-prate a shoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Today I play this shoe using NOR and MDB+ manage to win 3 unite. I stop bulldozer all the way through a shoes , but hit the easy target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Great job William, congratulations. Wait at the beginning of a shoe, to see what it is doing and isn't doing. Using Nor, as I am sure you know, be able to identify if it is streaky, otb4l, or opposites. A real skill that you must develop is to see which of the 3 methods, is the best for that particular shoe. When you develop that skill, things will be easier for you, to see the shoe clearly. A calm and confidently skilled mind, is a clear mind, to be able to see clearly. There are many posts on here, that will help you identify the type of shoe you are playing. A exercise that I personally use, is to take a score card like the one you posted, and then take each method, and just score each method as if you were betting it, and see what the results would be for each one. As you do that, it will help you to see and identify, which method worked the best for that shoe. It might sound like hard work, and it really is to do that with a hundred shoes, but every time you do it, you are getting sharper and your skill is developing more and more. It is like anything in life, the more you practice it, the better you become at it. Remember, it isn't what you think......it is what the shoe is telling you. So listen to what it is saying, and also what it is showing you. Edited January 19, 2016 by avion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Hi William - we have not spoken in a long time --- I think you took the NOR Boot Camp a while ago -- if not, check it out this week. I agree with Avion, use some of the sites with free bac such as Wizardofodds or Baccaratonnet, and practice. I also have some additional training materials that may be helpful. Send me an email and I will send them to you. But practice on the free sites until you are comfortable making decisions and winning consistently. Also, the SAP count is a very good thing to use to keep you on track. Let me know if I can help! Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 19, 2016 Users Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 S40 Repeat S40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted January 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 This is a shoes that i feel that it is not easy to used NOR so I apply MDB+ get two unites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted January 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 This shoe I saw was at P1222421111 I use s40 get one unite than I use MDB and get another one unite . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Great job and congrats William on your wins. Keep building and adding to your skills and confidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 20, 2016 Users Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 1st shoe; P14213461126224122241 Setups = 42 = repeats = loss 213 = SS = loss 34 = repeat (trigger at 33) = win 346 - repeat (trigger at 343) = win 26 = repeat (trigger at 24) = win 22 = OTBL = win 24 = repeat = loss 22 = OTBL = win 222 = further OTBL trigger = win 24 = repeat = loss Flat bet = +2 I will do second shoe later but see how short term NOR setups can win by flat bet Those setups are the ones I use most of the time You will not be right all the time but you should be right more than 50/50 When results are (N)eutral and you bet neutral short term you have to have better than 50/50 When results are all (O)pposite and you bet opposite short term you have better than 50/50 When results are all (R)epeat (include SS) and you bet repeat then you have better than 50/50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 20, 2016 Users Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Second shoe: P122242111111236251141 Setups: 22 = OTBL = win 222 = OTBL = win 42 = repeat = loss 1111 = S40 = win 23 = OTBL = win 36 = repeat (trigger at 33) = win 25 (setup at 24) = repeat = win 5114 (setup at 5113) = S40M1 = win Flat bet = +6 Same setups over and over again Flat bet Win or lose move on Easy money if you are not greedy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Excellent Brad This is very good analysis and must be useful to everyone Pando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted January 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 This shoe looks like bias at the beginning so I use OTB4L and get 2 unite , I see that this shoe got very extended repeat so I do not use MDB.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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