How the cards fall

[wolfat]

I'd like to discuss about this because I am a conservative player, but think that sometimes I am TOO MUCH conservative and I am not able to exploit some bias I watch in the shoe.

I also think that a win is a win and only 1 unit is not bad at all; I know that adding these single units, by the end of the month, thay become real huge money!

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[nikolasyue]

Yay, Mr. Oz is back; I have only recently began playing with serious intention to win consistently and have been reading thru all the posts so much thanks to all the players that contribute their experiences and understanding of the game.  For me, the hero is Norm, rest in peace, and I am learning that style of play so I mostly flat bet and the highest I bet is 2; I look for all exploits like MC, LC, ZZ or S40, STR or F, SS, OTBL, TBL, etc and try to adapt with the shoe. 

Since Norm, it looks like there are many great players now, especially someone who self-effacingly seems to performs at his level or even more now, so I posted a shoe and I hope you all can give your input on how to play it better.  Some questions I have are: was my entry too late, which bets should I have suspended or placed, were the wager amounts correct depending on the situation and did I exit too late?

Also to note my scorecard; the 4 columns to the right of the P and B record are either for the 4D counts or the SAP counts which I use depending on what I am seeing in the shoe so that I have the particular counts to verify what I am seeing.  In this case, it is the 4D count so the first column is the P/B count, the second is the O/R count, the third OT/T count, and the fourth, 2OT/2T count.  I start keeping the O/R count at play 9 count because I see the repeats of B3 P2 B4- so I am anticipating playing SS for banker.  At play 23 I start paying attention to the OT/T count because of the opposites following the repeats and lack of twos so I am anticipating a TBL situation and I just record the count from play 20. 

The question marks are my paper bets. 

I start playing OTBL at play 32-36 and switch back to TBL for play 38-39. 

I’ll listen to the input first rather than explain the reasoning for some of my play in which I clearly made some errors so I'll appreciate any suggestions and much thanks to anyone who chimes it.  

 

[Pando]

11 hours ago, wolfat said:

To set when a side get "lucky cards" I consider this when it gets 1 of the 2 or 3max cards availables to win the hand.

Every card worths 8% (1/13), so the winning hand get the winning card when it was at 8/92% to lose, or 16/84%, or 24/36% (with 3 cards availables).

IE, this happened to me yesterday:

first deal: P4 B3

then P get a 8 totaling 2

..and the B get a 7 totalling 0!

lol I was on B...

sometimesit it happens|!

PS I have one more question for my fellow players:

Do you usually play a pattern straightforward, IE when you decide to play, sy OTBL, or prefere to play, more selectively, a "pattern within  the pattern" like Avion said.

Be selective is less risky, but also less rewarding.

What's your opinion on this matter?

thanks

I personally operate on the KISS principle, maybe because I am not able to determine a bias within a bias perfectly. I therefore take an easy approach, S40M1 and stick religiously to that. There are enough opportunities to do that alone most days, although its variable. I go for less risk, and regular smaller   rewards, although on occasions there are some high rewards in the better shoes. Sometimes though there are no reasons to play any shoe at all.

We are all different and have different approaches, and its a matter of what suits us individually.

There are enough ways to enhance our play, for example through good Money Management, rather than trying to do too much, in my view. If we can tweak an extra unit here or there by good MM then surely that's better than making wrong betting decisions.

 

 

[Pando]

11 hours ago, brad01 said:

About the SS bias and strength of the cards on 1 side I make this observation for live dealer online hand shuffled play

I don't know if this same phenomenon would apply to machine shuffled as we have to assume the cards will be 'placed' into a specific order to produce specific patterns.

I don't know if this will cause the same noticeable strong side card patterns as the combinations are all probably calculated by computer

I have not played baccarat at my local casino for a while because why would I when my unit size is still small enough to allow me to play online with hand shuffle and no banker 6 rule.

My local casino on the main floor uses all preshuffled cards put through shufflers and they all seem to come out with primarily strong OTBL bias but they throw in curve ball shoes as well.

So I just don't really know if machine shuffle will allow for the same SS card pattern observations like I get with hand shuffle.

Well Crown Perth and Crown Melbourne are both owned by James Packer and his wealth category is gaming

I daresay Mariah Carey is not after him for his good looks

 

I see plenty of SS shoes in pre-shuffle factory shoes, and even stronger SS shoes in machine shuffled (auto shuffled) shoes.

I personally don't think there is any reason to fear any kind of card preparation - as Brad says they throw us curve balls all the time

[avion]

6 hours ago, nikolasyue said:

Yay, Mr. Oz is back; I have only recently began playing with serious intention to win consistently and have been reading thru all the posts so much thanks to all the players that contribute their experiences and understanding of the game.  For me, the hero is Norm, rest in peace, and I am learning that style of play so I mostly flat bet and the highest I bet is 2; I look for all exploits like MC, LC, ZZ or S40, STR or F, SS, OTBL, TBL, etc and try to adapt with the shoe. 

 

Since Norm, it looks like there are many great players now, especially someone who self-effacingly seems to performs at his level or even more now, so I posted a shoe and I hope you all can give your input on how to play it better.  Some questions I have are: was my entry too late, which bets should I have suspended or placed, were the wager amounts correct depending on the situation and did I exit too late?

 

Also to note my scorecard; the 4 columns to the right of the P and B record are either for the 4D counts or the SAP counts which I use depending on what I am seeing in the shoe so that I have the particular counts to verify what I am seeing.  In this case, it is the 4D count so the first column is the P/B count, the second is the O/R count, the third OT/T count, and the fourth, 2OT/2T count.  I start keeping the O/R count at play 9 count because I see the repeats of B3 P2 B4- so I am anticipating playing SS for banker.  At play 23 I start paying attention to the OT/T count because of the opposites following the repeats and lack of twos so I am anticipating a TBL situation and I just record the count from play 20. 

 

The question marks are my paper bets. 

 

I start playing OTBL at play 32-36 and switch back to TBL for play 38-39. 

 

I’ll listen to the input first rather than explain the reasoning for some of my play in which I clearly made some errors so I'll appreciate any suggestions and much thanks to anyone who chimes it.  

 

 

 

This is how I play.  Everyone is different in what they look for in a shoe.  

I would have started on hand 7 seeing a "wall" and banker is stronger by 4 to 2 over player.  I flat bet until hand 14.  Banker has increased by 1 over the previous 3 bankers, so I bet a 2 unit.  Up +5.  Go back to 1 unit lose, +4, go to player for the wall to continue lose +3 now.  

I wait, having lost 2 bets in a row, not having any direction if it might go 1's or if banker continues.

Hand 13 banker continues and it is now a sporadic.  I win flat bet hand 14, 15, back to +5 lose hand 16, +4 continue with banker sporadic, win hand 17, 18, +6, banker now has increased in total 1 more, so I bet 2 units win +8.  Back to one unit bet lose, +7, continue on bank because it has not lost two in a row...+8, lose +7, I switch after 3-1's (bias within bias) win bank +8, win player +9, lose to player +8.  I wait one hand as player hasn't gone beyond 2 iar, hand 26 player increased by 1 so I bet player win, +9 then player loses +8. No direction so I wait a hand, it goes banker on hand 29, now I have a wall bet banker on hand 30, lose, and wait as I have lost 2 bets in a row, +7.  

Hand 31, player banker wall gone.  I wait till hand 34, and see nothing but 1's and 2's from banker since before the 4 players in a row, and I waited to see if player would go more than two which it didn't due to the previous 4 in a row.  I am using BaS40, and bet opposite banker on hand 35, +8, continuing on opposites, +9, +10, having won 3 -1 unit bets I bet 2 units and win +12, back to 1 unit win and have +13.  

The shoe contained all three aspects that I use, "walls" "sporadics" and BaS40.  I would never be so arrogant to tell anyone to play the way I do.  All I do is share what I do, and if it helps someone, great.  If not, like Pando says, "there is more than one way to skin a cat".  I admire, respect, and honor the GREAT CAT SKINNERS on here.  You guys are the best of the very best there is, and I believe the reason why is because like Oz, you work hard at developing your skills.  It may get "bat shit boring", but nothing beats winning.  "Bat shit boring"......that phrase really cracks me up.  Maybe I should go to a bat cave, and watch them do that to get a really clear picture of the meaning of it.  lol  

Edited August 3, 2016 by avion

[nikolasyue]

Avion, I did not even think of looking at it as BaS40; Woo, really nice play thru the shoe, thanks for sharing your observations sir.  Are you a professional or on the way to being one or what? 

[brad01]

[brad01]

Here is how I might have played it

Banker SS

TBL / S40M1

S40 / opposites

 

I cant really say because its never the same as playing the real thing

I only flat bet because I still don't know when to hit a 1,2 reliably so I'm happy to flat bet and come out on top rather than hit a 1,2 at wrong time and lose.

The things I do that some people may not is I record banker and player events as separate lines but I can still see them together

Also the same with straight events and ZZ events

In a lot of ways its similar to what Oz says in his posts - I'm just looking for a bias to play

I am aware of MDB+ bets but more often than not I also use them to tell me not to bet - sometimes I play them

What I found is that sometimes Banker and Player are good to break up and look at separately and sometimes to look at together

Also the same with straight and ZZ events - sometimes good to separate and sometimes good to combine

[brad01]

20 hours ago, avion said:

Oz, I like it when you don't take your medication.  The fire inside you burns with a greater intensity.  Bring it on my friend......and thank you for all that you share.

No please take your medication:

For our benefit - I doubt they will let you on the forum in jail!

For your benefit - they don't have baccarat in jail!

Maybe a poker game for canteen money at best!

[ECD]

18 hours ago, nikolasyue said:

Yay, Mr. Oz is back; I have only recently began playing with serious intention to win consistently and have been reading thru all the posts so much thanks to all the players that contribute their experiences and understanding of the game.  For me, the hero is Norm, rest in peace, and I am learning that style of play so I mostly flat bet and the highest I bet is 2; I look for all exploits like MC, LC, ZZ or S40, STR or F, SS, OTBL, TBL, etc and try to adapt with the shoe. 

 

Since Norm, it looks like there are many great players now, especially someone who self-effacingly seems to performs at his level or even more now, so I posted a shoe and I hope you all can give your input on how to play it better.  Some questions I have are: was my entry too late, which bets should I have suspended or placed, were the wager amounts correct depending on the situation and did I exit too late?

 

Also to note my scorecard; the 4 columns to the right of the P and B record are either for the 4D counts or the SAP counts which I use depending on what I am seeing in the shoe so that I have the particular counts to verify what I am seeing.  In this case, it is the 4D count so the first column is the P/B count, the second is the O/R count, the third OT/T count, and the fourth, 2OT/2T count.  I start keeping the O/R count at play 9 count because I see the repeats of B3 P2 B4- so I am anticipating playing SS for banker.  At play 23 I start paying attention to the OT/T count because of the opposites following the repeats and lack of twos so I am anticipating a TBL situation and I just record the count from play 20. 

 

The question marks are my paper bets. 

 

I start playing OTBL at play 32-36 and switch back to TBL for play 38-39. 

 

I’ll listen to the input first rather than explain the reasoning for some of my play in which I clearly made some errors so I'll appreciate any suggestions and much thanks to anyone who chimes it.  

 

 

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People...Which part of "Play every shoe like you are betting your house"...didn't you understand?

This shoe almost plays itself

I would not have touched this shoe until play 14 just like you. I want to see several completed events before making my first bet.

Your bets are placed exactly as I would have played right up until Play 23 which is still a SS bet but is also an Opposite bet so that becomes a definite 2 unit bet. 

Bet 24 is an obvious P bet because you have switched to betting opposites (S40)

Bet 25 is a correct losing bet on B

Bet 26 You should have risked another B bet as per normal S40... It lost, but shit happens and after 3iar it's time to "Wait it out"

The run ends after 4iar (I mostly don't bet on isolated runs unless the shoe has previous history saying it's a good bet)  

Bet 29 ...You need to think this through...Previous history before the 4iar was opposites (S40) which is your best guide. If I was well ahead in the shoe I would make the losing P bet, and then bet P again on hand 30...and continue betting S40 ...if not...I would wait until  hand 31 where it is an obvious continuation of S40 and stay with S40 all the way.

So you start off with both repeats and SS  telling you where to place your early bets

Then SS overules  repeats until you hit an obvious S40 indication to switch

Then a solitary run interrupts proceedings and you wait to see if S40 continues after the run...and then you continue with S40 all the way.

Pretty simple...eh?

Flatbetting you end up after 24 bets with +11 units or with the Loop ...most likely +18...Beats the hell out of Bank Interest.

Just be careful guys...Don't make it more difficult than it needs to be.

[avion]

laughing my butt off to what Brad shared.....just too dam funny, and hilarious even.  Good ones Brad.

nikolasyue, no I am not a pro.  I am at the bottom of this list compared to Brad, Pando, Oz, Wolfat, and many others on here.  I simply try to learn a little bit everyday, and improve along the way.  

Just as Pando does, good to notice that Oz also presents the viewpoint of keeping it as simple as possible.  Just like all great athletes, they make it look so easy.  Simply they know what works and what doesn't work.  They focus on what works and they don't waste their time and energy on the stuff that doesn't work.  

 

 

[nikolasyue]

Thank you so much Brad and Oz for also taking the time to replay and go thru the shoe for me, okay I go practice more now.

[brad01]

Yes I  like the way Oz has won so many units but kept it so simple in terms of just basic NOR patterns.

Don't make it harder than it has to be

[Pando]

1 hour ago, brad01 said:

Yes I  like the way Oz has won so many units but kept it so simple in terms of just basic NOR patterns.

Don't make it harder than it has to be

Yes that shoe is basically S40 and SS - nothing else really gets a look in.

KISS - cant keep saying it enough

[brad01]

But would you have played S40M1 at any time in that shoe?

There was a point where I looked at it.

I used to share the same opinion as Oz that S40M1 was not worth the risk as the 2's hurt so much but you have proved that you can do it if you use it right

I think you have to commit though if you are going to use t and not get scared when you get 1 x 2iar

Results of O v T below:

TOOOOTTTOTOTTOTOTOTTTTOTTOOOTTOOTTTTT

T1431112111114123225

O = 15

T = 22

I'm guessing this is hand shuffled 

 

[Pando]

First hand is B

So after the first B I would bet banker on the next play (win). That's BB

Then I wait to see if the B2 stays 2, or goes to a 3. It went to B3. That's BBB

Then I would play B again, but it didn't follow (loss) That's BBBP

So now I would play P again (win) That's BBBPP

Now I am waiting to see if the P2 stays 2, or goes to P3. It stayed P2. That's BBBPPB

Now I bet banker again (this is looking like a running shoe now), wins. That's BBBPPBB

Now I am waiting to see if the B2 stays 2, or goes to B3. It went to B3. That's BBBPPBBB

Now I bet B again, wins. That's BBBPPBBBB.

Now I am OTR with B, and its also the strong side

So all I am doing is avoiding the 2's.

Later in the shoe when it isn't a running shoe, I need to switch to playing opposites.

That's my basic method, just staying away from the 2's.

As it transpired, there were only 2 x 2's in the shoe but we weren't to know that

Edited August 4, 2016 by Pando
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[brad01]

Great I had forgotten about your method of play

I think you told me once but I forgot

That's a good logical way to play S40M1

[Pando]

There is nothing hard about it, no decisions to make except

1) Whether to chip up when there is a long run

2) When to switch to playing opposites. I do that after seeing 2 x 1,s (such as 211)

I always look for a shoe that starts with no 1's, such as 324, something like that but it can be played from the second hand of the shoe

[brad01]

Not sure if members realise how much valuable info is in this discussion

What started out as a SS discussion and card clump trends turned into reference to how Norm and Oz play and then a play by play by Oz showing how he breaks down the shoe into NOR sections

Flat betting, 1,2 loop, probing bets

Some great classic sayings from Oz which you can memorise for when you play to keep you on the right track

Pando's S40M1 play method

For me it has really helped consolidate everything I have been doing and it gives me confidence to know this is coming from a guy who does this full time and another guy that could if he wanted to.

Thanks to nikolasyue for providing the example and posting his play

I would advise all members to reread the last few posts from Members Only area and be thankful its provided on this forum as its pretty much a guide on how to win. 

[wolfat]

9 hours ago, Pando said:

 

I always look for a shoe that starts with no 1's, such as 324, something like that but it can be played from the second hand of the shoe

...but starting from 2nd hand you cannot know how the shoe will go in advance, it's just something like a "probing" bet?

[nikolasyue]

I posted that particular shoe in this thread because of the SS and Mr. Wolfat brought up being too conservative and sometimes not exploiting the situations presented. Afterwards, replaying the shoe without the rookie and real time errors, it turned out to be straightforward and an example of a shoe that should be taken advantage of so I posted it for input to make sure I got all the bets there were to get from all you better players.

Another thing is I think now there is more than enough info already on this forum from more than enough proven players that the focus should be on being able to apply that info with the least errors in real time and always sharpening the decision making.  Of course you have to study all the posts and constantly practice/correct yourself but what is more helpful than seeing shoes critiqued with the reasoning/play by play from other BTC members who are kind enough and willing to be helpful.  

From the man himself

Niko

Edited August 5, 2016 by nikolasyue

[Pando]

11 hours ago, wolfat said:

...but starting from 2nd hand you cannot know how the shoe will go in advance, it's just something like a "probing" bet?

It is a probing bet to some extent.

At my casino the shoes tend to be similar on different days, so if I see other shoes that are starting with anything but 1's then I am prepared to begin the shoe at the second hand and hope its not starting with a 1.

I also have my theory about cutting the shoe. I do this at every opportunity, I will wait for a new shoe and try to cut it.

My records show that when I cut the shoe according to my criteria, the chances of a long streak is very high. That helps a great deal.

 

[avion]

Excellent post nikolasyue.  I totally agree.  It amazes me, in that it can be that one little thing that a person shares, and the entire "BACCARAT WORLD" lights up for someone else.  

Another matter that has been in my heart for some time now, is being like Norm in the spirit of helping other sincere and dedicated players.  I read from some of the best players on here how grateful they were to Norm for how he helped them.  How can we not continue to honor Norm in doing the same?

"To whom much is given, much is required".  

7 years ago, I began helping a woman to learn and profit from playing baccarat.  At the beginning, she had never even heard of the game.  6 years later, she is now earning more money than she ever did at any job she ever had in her life.  It wasn't easy sharing and helping her.  Several times I seriously told her if she didn't work at it harder, I was going to stop trying to help her.  She now thanks me every day for not giving up on her.  I never charged her a penny, not once.  She is actually better now at winning than I am.  

Several months ago, I once again agreed to help someone to learn baccarat and win at it.  He is presently playing to accomplish the goal of winning 1 unit a shoe for a 100 shoes.  So far he has won 55 out of 57 shoes.  Simply I believe one must learn how to consistently win 1 unit a shoe, before attempting to win 2, etc etc.  The one step at a time is very powerful, and it takes a lot of time.  At 65 years of age now, I cannot even begin to describe how valuable and precious time is.  Make every moment count for what is really important.

Am I bragging?  Yes, I will brag about the accomplishments of others all day long because they are the ones that are doing the work.  That is not to say helping someone else isn't a LOT of work.  There are priceless rewards in knowing you have helped someone else.  It can be very frustrating, challenging, and full of headaches that will test your patience to the max.  Just remember what was given to you.......and may we all be like Norm....in helping someone that truly wants and deserves it.   

Gentlemen, friends, and baccarat brothers......in the name of everything that is good, honorable, helpful, and deeply meaningful.....help someone.   In this great forum...because we do help others from so much that has been given to each of us......they will come back......and new ones also.  

[wolfat]

Avion, I agree with you. Helping others is a great thing for many reasons:

IE you can revise your own strategy, you feel good doing something for other people, you return part of knowledge got in the past and have the opporunity to leave a heritage of what you learnt in decades...

On the other side the "student" need to put big effort in learning and must be ready to listen the master. I remember two yrs ago I teach my technique to a guy from Macau. I dedicate him a lot of time and... when he had been "in the battle" start behaving like a compulsive gambler and lost the b.roll. I wasted my time with someone hadn't the mindset for professional play. ...Other times I have had nice and worthwhile experiences with many good players.

[ECD]

On 8/5/2016 at 7:24 AM, brad01 said:

Yes I  like the way Oz has won so many units but kept it so simple in terms of just basic NOR patterns.

Don't make it harder than it has to be

 

 

Just thought I'd clarify my thoughts on FLATBETTING v LOOP v NEGATIVE PROGRESSIONS

Note:These are just my thoughts and are always up for debate. 

It might surprise you to know that for me, the 1 2 LOOP is not the 'be all and end all". The reason being that my PA (Player Advantage) varies only 0.1% between Flatbetting and the LOOP. How can that be when on average I win just under 6 extra units/shoe with the Loop? Simple answer is that I'm risking more units to win. The Loop is ideal for occasional players who need to take advantage of their infrequent visits to the casino to the fullest, but for regular players on top of their game...flatbetting will produce the same results with less angst if you happen to be betting serious units. Norm was different...He had a gift...seemed to know when and where to place his 2 unit bets on a more regular basis, but for this mere mortal, I can't achieve his high hit rate.    

You guys pretty much know how I feel about "negative progressions" already, but I'll try and explain my reasoning.

One major issue I have with negative progressions is that I seriously doubt whether there are more than a handful of people (not including the super wealthy)prepared to play NP's with large units.(I'm yet to meet one)  It's ok when you are fart arsing around with $100 or less size units, but ask yourself if your balls are ever likely to drop to the point that, with for instance, $5K units, you would  be prepared to risk a $15K third bet when (in the case of a basic 1 2 3 progression) you are  already down $15K. 

As for so called "safer" progressions with higher startups... 2 3 4 and the much vaunted 3 4 5 progression and higher...are you ever, ever going to start a progression with $15K...2nd bet $20K and third bet of $25K for a potential loss of $60K?...It's not going to ever happen

To call it a 3 4 5 progression is a misnomer anyway. It is in effect a 1 unit... 1 and a third units and 1and 2 thirds units progression with a potential loss of 4 units. If you win the 3rd bet of your progression...you are still down two thirds of a unit.(and if your third winning bet happens to be a B6...you do the math) What sort of a negative progression is that where your third bet is still a losing bet?  It only works well if you are smashing out the first bet wins. In which case, you might as well be just flatbetting....almost the same result with less risk. Think about it...with the 3 4 5 progression...the sum total of your so called winning units in reality has to be divided by 3. "HEY...look at me...I just won 30 units" No you didn't...you just won 10 units...Big deal...I average  more than that for every shoe simply flatbetting. BTW: The higher your start up in your progression ie: 4 5 6...5 6 7...etc...the closer you are to simply flatbetting..."HELLO!"...this is why they are "safe" progressions. In Oz we would call them "Bullshit Progression...the negative progression you make when you're not actually making a negative progression" 

U1 D2 is a relatively safe progression (as NP's go), but in my experience, my PA is less than simply Flatbetting. Also...any progression with an M2 (mandatory 2) has to have total units divided by 2 to get a true indication of actual units won per risk taken. There is very little actual PA (Player Advantage) difference between U1D2 and U1D2M2. It may give you a higher all up total of units won at the end of the shoe, but again...you have risked more units. With Mandatory 2 in play you are virtually playing a 1 1.5  2.0 2.5 etc with a Down 1...you increase your bet by half a unit when you lose and lower your bet by 1 unit when you win. Do you get it? Also...in theory, if you are playing M2, you should also be doubling your S/L. Again...this may be worthwhile for occasional players who need to maximise units won per shoe but for regular players, there is not much point. You achieve the same result by simply doubling your starting unit size.

With both Flatbetting and the 1 2 loop and the 2 3 Loop (Oops...I forgot to mention that one...LOL), my PA is such that I know that for  every 4 units I bet, I will be making 1 unit clear profit. That beats the hell out of Bank Interest.

BTW: The 2 3 Loop is simply my own  variation on the 1 2 Loop which may be more comfortable for those just starting to get the idea of the Loop or those betting larger units. In reality, it is a 1 1.5 unit Loop with the advantage of being able to make my probe bets with half a unit. But you know something?...In truth...it doesn't matter  much whether I Flatbet...1 2 Loop or 2 3 Loop... there is sweet stuff all difference in my PA. It's all about bet placement. I use all three options depending on whether or not I'm menstruating...(I am kidding...right?) 

I haven't mentioned the scariest NP of them all...U1D1. For me, this progression is all risk for not enough reward. Sure it works (till your progression reaches the stratosphere) but if you happen to strike a much needed win with a B6 on a "no commission" table, you are not going to be a "happy chappie". This is the only  progression that actually rewards bad play. If your bet selection is good, then your PA shouldn't be all that different to the Loop or simply flatbetting but you are running a hell of a lot more risk for the same result. If your bet selection is piss weak, then U1D1 can come into it's own...(It actually rewards failure) unless of course it crashes and burns. If you want to use U1D1 on a regular basis...check with your heart specialist first.  

As for U1D1M2...after you see your heart specialist..."get yourself a  brain surgeon son...better get a real good one" (who specialises in transplants)

In short...Read my lips."There is no substitute for learning to read the shoe and NP's will only give you false confidence" 

Why does the Loop perform so well with less risk than NPs?Buggered if I know, but I suspect that it is because it is in a way a limited positive progression. You never make a 2 unit bet that takes you below 0, so in effect, you are using the casino's money, whereas, with a NP, you are by it's very nature coming from behind and using risking your own money to increase your unit size. 

Remember...there is enough info on BTC to turn anyone into a winner if you just put in the hard yards...S40...OTB4L...TBL...SS...Repeats...RD1...MC and LC events...they all work to varying degrees...Just listen to the words of one of  the best Baccarat players in the history of the game (Norm Allen) RIP...Learn to "Follow the shoe"

 

OK...that's just my opinion for what it's worth and you are entitled to disagree, but for those strong advocates of aggressive Negative Progressions...I'll be sure to wave to you on your skateboard as I drive past in my Merc...just saying...LOL

Bye for now...I reckon I'll be copping a few "negatives" of my own...(comments I mean...not progressions) LOL

 

OH yeah...I almost forgot...and this is for regular players only. Once you are Flatbetting or "Looping" and doing well...you can throw out your STOP/LOSS. There is no need for a SL. It matters sweet stuff all what your situation is at the end of a shoe...You need to look at the big picture and where you are after several day's (or longer) play. 

Also...and read my lips "The more shoes you play, the more likely you are to win". On average, by simply Flatbetting or Looping (I like that term...might patent it...LOL), you will hit one in every 5 or 6 shoes that almost plays itself for a win between 15 and 20 units, and one in every 10 or so shoes that does play itself (sorta) for a win of 25+ units. The trick is to not get discouraged with shoes where you aren't winning big units or just breaking even... "Shit Happens" but relax in the knowledge that the the really good shoes will crop up and you need to be playing to take advantage of them "Nobody ever won big by sitting at the bar"..hmm...I like that...might patent that saying too...LOL

Another thing...The longer the shoe, the more likely you are to win. That might not make sense, but it's a fact. Sooner or later in a long shoe, a more than half decent Bias crops up. The trick is to hang in there and be patient. I couldn't count the number of shoes that I've struggled most of the way only to hit the Bias in the last 10 to 15 hands and win big time. That's the problem with most online pay. Most Online Casinos keep their shoes short by various means (burning a card every deal is a goodie) I'm not into conspiracy theories, but I figure that they know that the longer the shoe continues, the more likely you are to be able to recover from a bad start or they can stop you in a strong winning streak.

OK...Let the games begin...LOL