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Hi everyone.  Hoping this will be my final place for answers to truly winning at baccarat in the casino.  I joined a forum a few months ago called casino club forum.   I payed for their full membership on everything.   Final word manual and forum,  mvd and anti mvd,   Anb.    Sometimes those systems work but, always eventually  any systems losing pattern will begin to appear  enough times to have you lose what you built up.    A system may have a 75% shoes played win rate for a day or a week    Then next week  shoes won rate might be 55%.    Then next day play 5 shoes and win all 5    And next day play six shoes and lose all 6 and next day win half the shoes played.   I have given all systems I payed for from that forum including nor  ff, repeats.    After long enough  it falls apart on you.    Knowing this now,    I have no idea how norn played for 2 years and got up to a million or two in winnings without going through these break down phases.    What I am saying is   How is it possible to play any method for a year or two without break down phases?    With break down phases of a method  hard to get to a million in winnings.    Get up to $100 level  hit break down phase,  bankroll back down to $50 or $25 level.    Then get back up to $100 level    EVENTUALLY  system break down phase again.    Impossible like this to win a million even if 2 years.   The only way I see norm got to a million dollars in casino baccarat play profit,   Where he is ahead $1 million is he is not playing anb, nor, s40, repeats, otb4l, tbl, ff, strong side, net betting, mvd, anti mvd, Mdb or mdb+?????? He must have played a method that is nothing like all the systems I listed that I bought from that gay forum.   Someone kindly help me understand

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From what I gathered from this forum, norm plays SS, otbl, s40, SAP MC/LC using SAP and shoe history as a guide to follow a bias or not. He also uses a 12 positive progression. 

It also seems that he doesn't have a losing day as one of the players had never seen him make a second buy in. 

But I think there is more than what is known about norm play shared in this forum. 

I tried his way of playing from what I understand from my own interpretation but I have more lossess than winnings. 

I also hope that someone can enlighten me on what is norm actual secret sauce. 

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Zekham,   All systems you mentioned norm used  we all know all those systems and know one can not play a whole year  without it going through break down phases.  Hard to get to a million like that.   Something is missing   I came to this forum hoping   For the REAL TRUTH FINALLY.    I spent way too much money from that other forum  which I have lost faith in      Hoping this forum may restore my faith

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Truly, if there really is a way to play a casino for a year or two or many years and be ahead $1 million or more in a year or two is not sap or nor or mdb or anb,   It is not by noticing a trend or pattern or using the or count. Because of the breakdown phases    Could happen the first day or after a month.  If anyone could develop a system that avoids all this it would have to be 100% mechanical.   Not relying on trends, biases,  triggers  or count  sap.  It would have to be 100% mechanical  played the same way every shoe, every day, every casino.  And,  your shoes played win rate needs to be 90% minimum   And  your average on just your winning shoes in units should be the same as units lost in your 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 20 shoes played or winning units average on your 9 out of 10 shoes won is more units than   Of the average of units lost on losing shoes.  Like so,  shoe 1= won 7 units, shoe 2 lost 5 units  and the next 8 shoes won say 4-10 units each.    If there is a 100% mechanical system that can do this steady  always,   Now I can see I can reach a million in winning

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LadyBacc,

I am so sorry but what you are looking for DOES NOT EXIST on earth!

I am a senior member here, I play every day and started my gambling career in 1986.

I am not a millionaire because to make millions you must bet high stakes; I bet in my comfort zone around 100 euros avg bet and I am happy with it. I pay for my expenses of a decent living, I no need more, from my point of view.

From the technical aspect of this, no winning player here plays mechanical, nobody uses neg. progs.

Everybody, in different ways, plays FOLLOW THE SHOE. There are so many nuances in this game that an entire life is not long enough to master everything BUT everybody study and learn every given day to be successful at this game.

So, my advice is: don't waste money looking for something does not exist (mechanical system), focus on the stuff we have at BTC and try to find your way to beat baccarat, nobody can do this for you BUT members are here and willing to help you during this journey.

If you are seriously interested in being a part of our community, join the premium members forum and you will get access to all BTC stuff, old and new and, most important, can exchange infos and share experience and getbhelp from other members.

Here there's no competition, everybody share his own discoveries or simply a shoe to comment, THIS make you grow as a player and likely makes you a successful player like many of us.

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5 hours ago, LadyBacc said:

I heard part of Norms secret to making a million was he was backed by investers so he could bet big enough to reach that goal

Get real...Who the hell is going to invest money in a retired Fireman to play Baccarat?...beyond belief.

There are several players who played regularly with Norm...(RIP) and will vouch for the gradual increase in his unit size.

Norm started with $25 units and due to his selective bet selection methods slowly increased to a unit size of $5K.

Just a quick word of advice...Think long and hard before trivialising  Norm's Casino exploits. He is a Baccarat legend and the most respected player ever in the history of BTC. Many of us owe our ultimate success to Norm's ideas and playing methods.

You mess with Norm...You mess with all of us and in particular...you will make me angry and trust me...

You won't like me when I get angry.

On the other hand...if your comments are just an innocent mistake...then I apologise for my reaction, but I do have a question that I would like you to answer...

What name were you using on CFC?...Certainly not LadyBacc...it doesn't exist. 

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8 hours ago, LadyBacc said:

Sorry, I am a she.   And Toronto is not where I reside   Ottawa, Ontario actually    Who is carlos?

I'm probably the wrong person to ask...LOL

Carlos is all over the CFC Forum like a dog with a decomposing possum (which is a fairly apt analogy in more ways than one)

Carlos is the "Outside Source" oft quoted by Ellis and responsible for the "test results" of the various systems that you purchased (cough...cough) on CFC

Given that you seem to be up to speed with all the "unbeatable" systems on CFC, and are also aware of Norm's History (to a point)... and given that Carlos is not exactly backward in giving himself a wrap...it just beggars belief that you have not ever heard of Carlos...

or having been bitten once by this undie sniffing apprentice scammer...am I just being unnecessarily suspicious?

Pretty simple question for you that might help allay suspicions given that you are from the same general area as the little weasel...What nickname were you posting under on CFC?

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It's not possible to be so deeply involved with CFC and not know who Carlos is.  Fair questions Oz.

Will you get an answer?  Or maybe a delay until she (he) can cover her (his) tracks.......LOL.

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22 hours ago, LadyBacc said:

Hi everyone.  Hoping this will be my final place for answers to truly winning at baccarat in the casino.  I joined a forum a few months ago called casino club forum.   I payed for their full membership on everything.   Final word manual and forum,  mvd and anti mvd,   Anb.    Sometimes those systems work but, always eventually  any systems losing pattern will begin to appear  enough times to have you lose what you built up.    A system may have a 75% shoes played win rate for a day or a week    Then next week  shoes won rate might be 55%.    Then next day play 5 shoes and win all 5    And next day play six shoes and lose all 6 and next day win half the shoes played.   I have given all systems I payed for from that forum including nor  ff, repeats.    After long enough  it falls apart on you.    Knowing this now,    I have no idea how norn played for 2 years and got up to a million or two in winnings without going through these break down phases.    What I am saying is   How is it possible to play any method for a year or two without break down phases?    With break down phases of a method  hard to get to a million in winnings.    Get up to $100 level  hit break down phase,  bankroll back down to $50 or $25 level.    Then get back up to $100 level    EVENTUALLY  system break down phase again.    Impossible like this to win a million even if 2 years.   The only way I see norm got to a million dollars in casino baccarat play profit,   Where he is ahead $1 million is he is not playing anb, nor, s40, repeats, otb4l, tbl, ff, strong side, net betting, mvd, anti mvd, Mdb or mdb+?????? He must have played a method that is nothing like all the systems I listed that I bought from that gay forum.   Someone kindly help me understand

I really hope that this post would get to the attention of Ellis, or was it Ellis who orchestrated it?

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14 minutes ago, McVince said:

I really hope that this post would get to the attention of Ellis, or was it Ellis who orchestrated it?

I wondered that myself, but then realised that Ellis would not badmouth his own Forum because selling Systems is his only reliable source of income...  his Baccarat play certainly isn't working too well for him.

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I meant no insult to Norm    I just wanted to hear the real truth.   Others have told me he was backed by investors.   My gut told me that is not true.   I figured the best people to ask to re assure my gut feeling was those who knew him.   I guess people say nonsense because they are jeleous of him.   I am no longer on casino club forum.  Can't afford to keep buying every new system. That site will not fullfil the knowledge I am looking for.   The honest real truth.   My user name on there was Azian    Dean deleted my profile and banned me when I said I was not happy with the systems

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I don't get it.  Ellis claims he has been a master of this game for 40 years with a high IQ of 160  and yet still plays $5 units.    Does it really take a master 40 years  to still not able to advance to green?   By now you would think he would be playing $5,000 or $10,000 units and a multi millionair.   Know you know why I distrust

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56 minutes ago, LadyBacc said:

I meant no insult to Norm    I just wanted to hear the real truth.   Others have told me he was backed by investors.   My gut told me that is not true.   I figured the best people to ask to re assure my gut feeling was those who knew him.   I guess people say nonsense because they are jeleous of him.   I am no longer on casino club forum.  Can't afford to keep buying every new system. That site will not fullfil the knowledge I am looking for.   The honest real truth.   My user name on there was Azian    Dean deleted my profile and banned me when I said I was not happy with the systems

Dean deleted my profile and banned me when I said I was not happy with the systems

Now where have I heard that before??????

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We are naturally suspicious of Newbies that come on here trashing CFC because that is Carlos's usual modus operandi.

You may or may not be who you say you are and I don't mean to offend the innocent...but, If indeed you really are Carlos on one of his scouting missions, there is one thing written in stone...one thing that I need to make clear..."MY UNDIES ARE STRICTLY OFF LIMITS"...OK?:mad:

You wanna do that deviate shit then go back and see Ellis.:o

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