Worth at least $50K

[ECD]

2 minutes ago, wolfat said:

K,

here are my favourite. I don't believe it works everywhere but they do it in my casino.

4,2  2,4. go for RPTs

when a shoe start with 2 RPTs or 3 OPTs  iar, I go otr till +2/-1

A

W

What do you mean by +2/-1 ?

CT70

[wolfat]

3 minutes ago, CT70 said:

W

What do you mean by +2/-1 ?

CT70

I mean stop at the first loss or when I get 2 units, In this case, as I have no history, I leave the shoe go as I don't face long run very often...

Sorry I should have written: +2/0/-1

obviously referring to this trigger...

A

Edited August 23, 2017 by wolfat

[allphar]

29 minutes ago, wolfat said:

K,

here are my favourite. I don't believe it works everywhere but they do it in my casino.

4,2  2,4. go for RPTs

when a shoe start with 2 RPTs or 3 OPTs  iar, I go otr till +2/-1

A

 

 

Hi wolfat,

Do you mean wait for a 2iar/4iar or 4iar/2iar, then play repeats?

 

Edited August 23, 2017 by allphar

[wolfat]

yes, it is

[RickK]

A couple of MDB+ rules that seem to work well (for me) would be two 3ZZ's to a 4ZZ and four 2+'s with no 1iar, next 1 stays 1....looking at previous events for an excess of 1's would help to make those decisions...

[stanislaus]

I like Oz's no-bet trigger (if I can call it that):  If you haven't seen it, don't bet it. 

 

[Pando]

I find Brad's L3M (last 3 Events) method very useful

A trigger I figured out myself is that if there is a 4 more in the shoe (the longer and earlier in the shoe the better)) then there is a 90+% change that there will be another one in the shoe

[wolfat]

I want to add these ones:

After a cluster of at least 5 multiples (IE 2,3,3,2,4,3,5,etc) or. a so called "wall" of 5 or more events, 

and you get 2 singles iar (confirmed), usually this ZZ run will continue for a while.

IE.  3,3,2,4,2,5,2, 1, 1 (trigger) > bet otr till -1/0+2

if this attack is unsuccessful can be repeated after the next 2 singles iar, one more time

 

btw

you can do something similar in the opposite case (cluster of opts vs single multiples) but it's more complicated as more factors are involved and it would require a kind of work that I think is off topic.

A

[allphar]

6 hours ago, Pando said:

I find Brad's L3M (last 3 Events) method very useful

A trigger I figured out myself is that if there is a 4 more in the shoe (the longer and earlier in the shoe the better)) then there is a 90+% change that there will be another one in the shoe

 

That's an interesting trigger Pando, the 4+ early enough in the shoe, then aim for another 4 in the shoe.

How would you approach the following shoe in terms of a stop loss:

[ECD]

3 hours ago, allphar said:

That's an interesting trigger Pando, the 4+ early enough in the shoe, then aim for another 4 in the shoe.

How would you approach the following shoe in terms of a stop loss:

Wouldn't need one...If I was dealt this shoe in the Casino...I would walk out owning the Casino. Blind Freddy would stomp this shoe. Bloody hell...Starts off repeats from the get go....a massive SS on Banker with 2's LC and 3's MC...FFS...There were only two single Banker opps in the whole freaking shoe...Then it moved to an OT section with 3's still MC if you lose because the 2 goes to 3...you get it straight back betting 3's MC. It would be impossible to lose this shoe. My dog could lay a humongous turd on the scorecard and it would most likely win.

Edited August 24, 2017 by ECD

[ECD]

If you ignore the emotive language...I just told every newbie how to play this shoe.

[LOU30]

8 hours ago, ozscouser1 said:

Wouldn't need one...If I was dealt this shoe in the Casino...I would walk out owning the Casino. Blind Freddy would stomp this shoe. Bloody hell...Starts off repeats from the get go....a massive SS on Banker with 2's LC and 3's MC...FFS...There were only two single Banker opps in the whole freaking shoe...Then it moved to an OT section with 3's still MC if you lose because the 2 goes to 3...you get it straight back betting 3's MC. It would be impossible to lose this shoe. My dog could lay a humongous turd on the scorecard and it would most likely win.

Never mind the dog turd! If you didn't know already know how to play that shoe, I advise you to copy & past that post and keep it somewhere safe on your hard drive and refer to it before you play every time!  GOLDEN NUGGET!!

Oh yeah then thank Oz...

[ECD]

9 hours ago, ozscouser1 said:

Wouldn't need one...If I was dealt this shoe in the Casino...I would walk out owning the Casino. Blind Freddy would stomp this shoe. Bloody hell...Starts off repeats from the get go....a massive SS on Banker with 2's LC and 3's MC...FFS...There were only two single Banker opps in the whole freaking shoe...Then it moved to an OT section with 3's still MC if you lose because the 2 goes to 3...you get it straight back betting 3's MC. It would be impossible to lose this shoe. My dog could lay a humongous turd on the scorecard and it would most likely win.

Considering the title of the thread, I'd say that's "Worth at least 50k".

[LOU30]

We will have to change the thread name to "Worth a 100k".

 Newbies,Think about it! With that kind of mind set... Arn't you glad you joined the Premium members club.

[LOU30]

10 hours ago, ozscouser1 said:

Wouldn't need one...If I was dealt this shoe in the Casino...I would walk out owning the Casino. Blind Freddy would stomp this shoe. Bloody hell...Starts off repeats from the get go....a massive SS on Banker with 2's LC and 3's MC...FFS...There were only two single Banker opps in the whole freaking shoe...Then it moved to an OT section with 3's still MC if you lose because the 2 goes to 3...you get it straight back betting 3's MC. It would be impossible to lose this shoe. My dog could lay a humongous turd on the scorecard and it would most likely win.

Don,t forget 87% of events are 3iar,s and under.

[Pando]

Oz got in before I did and obviously he has blitzed it.

There is everything you could ask for in that shoe

[LOU30]

20 hours ago, wolfat said:

I want to add these ones:

After a cluster of at least 5 multiples (IE 2,3,3,2,4,3,5,etc) or. a so called "wall" of 5 or more events, 

and you get 2 singles iar (confirmed), usually this ZZ run will continue for a while.

IE.  3,3,2,4,2,5,2, 1, 1 (trigger) > bet otr till -1/0+2

if this attack is unsuccessful can be repeated after the next 2 singles iar, one more time

 

btw

you can do something similar in the opposite case (cluster of opts vs single multiples) but it's more complicated as more factors are involved and it would require a kind of work that I think is off topic.

A

If you took Wolfats trigger for playing AFTER a so called "wall" and also combined it with Oz's LC & MC method of attacking a "wall",I  don't think the casino can build a wall we can't climb!

So know we  have two more  methods of attacking "walls". (Don't forget RD1)

[wolfat]

On 24/8/2017 at 6:32 AM, wolfat said:

I want to add these ones:

After a cluster of at least 5 multiples (IE 2,3,3,2,4,3,5,etc) or. a so called "wall" of 5 or more events, 

and you get 2 singles iar (confirmed), usually this ZZ run will continue for a while.

IE.  3,3,2,4,2,5,2, 1, 1 (trigger) > bet otr till -1/0+2

if this attack is unsuccessful can be repeated after the next 2 singles iar, one more time

 

btw

you can do something similar in the opposite case (cluster of opts vs single multiples) but it's more complicated as more factors are involved and it would require a kind of work that I think is off topic.

A

Fresh shoe, from this morning, as a good sample for this trigger:

It's a basically a RPTs shoe till mid shoe (that allowed me a nice profit)

B 2 1 442 1 3224432 11 (trigger) 1W 2L (notice I usually bet 2 units on the first bet and 1 on the next, so to end with a profit in any case, when getting the first win) 2 1 4 11 (trigger) 1w 1 w 1w 1w 1w 1w 3L end

that's how it works most of the time. Here I decided to play the run till the end as singles was veeery weak during the shoe and need to recover a bit (11 multiples vs 2 singles till the trigger).

Notice that, if singles was strong in a shoe, this trigger is not so reliable, as the wall is the answer to dominant singles.

Triggers NEED to be played in a contest, and you must ponder about the big picture; it's NOT something like "ooh, I see this, bet that!".

A

[wolfat]

hey guys!

no more ideas? COME ON!

 

[avion]

I am in Seattle, with my lady loves family and hope to be back in Florida on Tuesday....and I will contribute to this.   

[wolfat]

great!

[Pando]

On ‎24‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 3:21 PM, allphar said:

That's an interesting trigger Pando, the 4+ early enough in the shoe, then aim for another 4 in the shoe.

How would you approach the following shoe in terms of a stop loss:

Hi allphar

Apologies for not giving you a direct answer previously

I put all my baccarat cards in my computer and it shows that in  more than 90% of ALL shoes from where I play, if there is a 4IAR or more, then there will be another one in the shoe.

Now of course its not that straight forward that the 4+IAR's will be sequential. The shoe you posted is a good example of that. It is a shoe with very high 3's, approximately double what is mathematically expected.

In a shoe that starts with the 2 x 3's before the first 4IAR, I am very wary and do not make the bet unless 4+IAR's start to dominate more than 3's. By that time we are into a different kind of shoe anyway.

I find this trigger very use full when the shoe goes something like 11122211156111121111123 (an actual shoe I played) - then I would play the unconfirmed 3 to go to 4. ( It did you to 4, and ended up 7IAR).

It is also useful when the end of the shoe is approaching, and there has only been one 4+IAR in the shoe. I would play any 3 to go to 4 in that situation.

Its a trigger that works very well for me.

regards Pando

 

 

 

[wolfat]

2 hours ago, Pando said:

Hi allphar

Apologies for not giving you a direct answer previously

I put all my baccarat cards in my computer and it shows that in  more than 90% of ALL shoes from where I play, if there is a 4IAR or more, then there will be another one in the shoe.

Now of course its not that straight forward that the 4+IAR's will be sequential. The shoe you posted is a good example of that. It is a shoe with very high 3's, approximately double what is mathematically expected.

In a shoe that starts with the 2 x 3's before the first 4IAR, I am very wary and do not make the bet unless 4+IAR's start to dominate more than 3's. By that time we are into a different kind of shoe anyway.

I find this trigger very use full when the shoe goes something like 11122211156111121111123 (an actual shoe I played) - then I would play the unconfirmed 3 to go to 4. ( It did you to 4, and ended up 7IAR).

It is also useful when the end of the shoe is approaching, and there has only been one 4+IAR in the shoe. I would play any 3 to go to 4 in that situation.

Its a trigger that works very well for me.

regards Pando

 

 

 

Pando,

agree with this, also from my experience.

A

[allphar]

2 hours ago, Pando said:

Hi allphar

Apologies for not giving you a direct answer previously

I put all my baccarat cards in my computer and it shows that in  more than 90% of ALL shoes from where I play, if there is a 4IAR or more, then there will be another one in the shoe.

Now of course its not that straight forward that the 4+IAR's will be sequential. The shoe you posted is a good example of that. It is a shoe with very high 3's, approximately double what is mathematically expected.

In a shoe that starts with the 2 x 3's before the first 4IAR, I am very wary and do not make the bet unless 4+IAR's start to dominate more than 3's. By that time we are into a different kind of shoe anyway.

I find this trigger very use full when the shoe goes something like 11122211156111121111123 (an actual shoe I played) - then I would play the unconfirmed 3 to go to 4. ( It did you to 4, and ended up 7IAR).

It is also useful when the end of the shoe is approaching, and there has only been one 4+IAR in the shoe. I would play any 3 to go to 4 in that situation.

Its a trigger that works very well for me.

regards Pando

 

 

 

 

Great information Pando. Cheers.

[kachatz1]

OK, OK, OK!

I'm bac(k) from vacation, the lady is happy, and it's our 2nd anniversary (whoa... no wedding! Just dating! Living together) 

     - But I really appreciate all the banter in my absence, and I think we can get this party started.

Somewhere, in the wee hours of the am, I will collate this info, and by mid afternoon tomorrow LV time ( PST) , have it summarized...Ill put in a bunch of my own (as I have many), and will encourage you all to just list out any others seem to work well for you. We will add them in, even as we go

VERY IMPORTANT REMINDER! 

          - I recognize that the precise odds of any single event either proceeding/ or following any other event of any duration is ...( you guessed it ! 50/50)

.         - And likely, we cannot rely on end-of-shoe events, since they may/may not have played out..

BUT, so what??

We have many, many, many " systems" /procedural methodologies which purport to help us " predict" the next hand outcome.

       - and some of them seem to work better than others, as perhaps they were developed pre-pre-shuffled shoes, or, like MDB, based on a concept known as " regression to the mean" ( average)

Does that preclude-us/stop us from investigatating /quantifying/qualifying those " triggers" which work best for us, expose them to the participants, mix in a dose of betting progression ( positive/negative) and establish careful stop loss/stop win parameters to create our own Bet2Win ( B2W) group chat/winning methodology??

( of course  not)

 

SO WE WILL.

 

( Hint. It will be based on " mathmatical probabilities" , +\-  be dealt with shoe by shoe/as well as assigning plausibility to events within a sequence of shoes played at the same table, in  one " setting" )

     - And we will look to establish best-practice entry and exit points to maximize our chance for a favorable outcome.)

 

(And remember, Our objective is to do this together...I will not do  it alone, or just hand it to you. If you have a vested interest in our outcome, you will truly have a far greater chance to win that extra $50K)

 

just Google this phrase..

." Who are those guys?"

( famous quote from a famous movie...)

 

pretty much sums sums it up...great movie by the way!

 

Edited August 29, 2017 by kachatz1