Aside from the 4 or 5 guys who live out of the country is there anybody in the US Winning consistently?

[kino]

I never really see posts about normal everyday players winning. Just pretty much the same 4 or 5 guys, There's gotta be more people than that playing this game LOL.  Is there any amateur players winning consistently out there With the help of the wonderful knowledge on this forum? I myself have been able to have some consistent wins from the knowledge that I got from beat the casino, Would be nice to hear from some different people about their experiences playing. I have a normal job and I play about twice a week on the weekends, So far I have 10 consecutive wins, Playing at the $50 unit level, But now that my bankroll has increased I'm thinking about moving to the hundred dollar level.  

 

[avion]

normal, consistent. winning amateur here.  Learned most all of it here on BTC.  No, I don't get paid for saying this.  I get paid when I win at the casinos.  Why wouldn't you want to learn from those same "4-5" guys" that you mentioned?  They have ALL helped me tremendously.

[JimmyBaccarat]

Good for you Kino.

I played poker and was profitable. However, I migrated to Baccarat because if I can be profitable winning at least 1 unit per shoe, then I can use the compounding effect of building a bankroll and scaling up the bet size to make more. But I wouldn't stop learning from BTC just because i was up +1 unit per shoe. As McVince said and I am sure many of the seasoned pros, first 1, then 2 then 3, etc...

BTW... I read and pay attention to all of avion's posts.  

[kino]

Learning from the 4 or 5 guys is just fine, That wasn't my question my question is as many members as there are on here how come nobody ever talks about their exexperiences in playing, And if they have had success.. I see you a lot also avion, Where are all the other players though? I'm not trying to be negative whatsoever it would Just be nice to have conversations with players who are on here also, Who are not the same 4 or 5 guys, I like baccarat and would love to talk to  many people about it, And maybe learn some ideas and tips from them also. Anyways this forum is awesome and just thought I would ask  

[avion]

Okay, have you viewed any of the Master Class presentations?  Also Keith will be doing a live class on Wednesday evening.  Check it out for the information on it.  In the Master Class presentations there was quite a few times that questions were fielded from those in attendance.  They are EXCELLENT for anyone wanting to learn.  

[Hellboy]

Understand what you are saying Kino.  I’m only a new member and this is a learning process.  Think of the 4-5 guys writing a Baccarat syllabus for High School.  There has to be a lot of experience and knowledge to do that.  We work our way through the syllabus to develop our expertise by developing our own plan and then following it from what we have learned.  Discipline.  I see BTC as a school where most students will graduate (win) if they follow the syllabus.  In any form of education the syllabus changes to reflect what is happening now.  Outside of school less than 1/2% of Baccarat players will win, and I am cofident that is a fact. 

Since joing BTC (March), I have become a consistent winner over time (3-4 Units per session).  I like so many players like to win, and keep it to ourselves. We know we are winners.

I read everything those 4-5 players say many times over and put what works for me into my own plan and then try to stick to it. (The hardest part.)

I am not a school teacher and is not supposed to sound like a lecture.  Stick with BTC and WIN. 

[Hellboy]

Follow up note.  When I say less than 1/2% players win,  I mean in the long term.  Anybody can be lucky in the short term. 

[ECD]

1 hour ago, kino said:

my question is as many members as there are on here how come nobody ever talks about their exexperiences in playing,

It is an unrealistic expectation that you will see what you are looking for on this public forum. 

This is the internet.  Anyone can show up, call themselves anything they want, and then say anything they want as though it was a fact.  Why would a successful member of this "club" expose themselves and the details of how and where they play to the whole of the internet?  There are many players here who are successful, and it actually goes far beyond the "4-5" you refer to.  I am aware of many, many others who choose to rarely post, but they are winning REGULARLY and exercising their right to do so quietly.  Some us choose to share a bit more with the intent of helping other "club" members find their own path to success.  None of the members of this "club" have a financial interest in BTC or any incentive to "grow" the membership, other than to draw in more like-minded players who will contribute.  There are no systems for sale here, or some alleged "guru" selling his knowledge and/or trying to feed his ego.

If it was up to me, there would be no public forum.  It is a relic from the past when BTC WAS about selling systems and needing to always generate more and more paying members.  But its not up to me and if the owner sees value in a "public" discussion to help identify those who might be productive and contributing members of the club, well that is his prerogative.  Heck, maybe membership should be by invitation only. 

What's in the club is years and years of baccarat playing methods, discussion boards, incredible ideas from so many talented members from years past and current, access to a tool which contains >258,000 actual casino shoes (with members adding more all the time) which allows you to play any shoe one hand at a time, or to run various statistics on a single shoe or any grouping of shoes of your choice, members sharing what they are currently doing in actual casinos -- how they play, where they see opportunities to better attack this game.  Wow.  We need an application for membership where the prospective member explains why they should be allowed access to all of this.   It's OK that not everyone makes the cut.   What about you @kino, how would you fill out that application?

[ECD]

8 hours ago, way2fast said:

It is an unrealistic expectation that you will see what you are looking for on this public forum. 

This is the internet.  Anyone can show up, call themselves anything they want, and then say anything they want as though it was a fact.  Why would a successful member of this "club" expose themselves and the details of how and where they play to the whole of the internet?  There are many players here who are successful, and it actually goes far beyond the "4-5" you refer to.  I am aware of many, many others who choose to rarely post, but they are winning REGULARLY and exercising their right to do so quietly.  Some us choose to share a bit more with the intent of helping other "club" members find their own path to success.  None of the members of this "club" have a financial interest in BTC or any incentive to "grow" the membership, other than to draw in more like-minded players who will contribute.  There are no systems for sale here, or some alleged "guru" selling his knowledge and/or trying to feed his ego.

If it was up to me, there would be no public forum.  It is a relic from the past when BTC WAS about selling systems and needing to always generate more and more paying members.  But its not up to me and if the owner sees value in a "public" discussion to help identify those who might be productive and contributing members of the club, well that is his prerogative.  Heck, maybe membership should be by invitation only. 

What's in the club is years and years of baccarat playing methods, discussion boards, incredible ideas from so many talented members from years past and current, access to a tool which contains >258,000 actual casino shoes (with members adding more all the time) which allows you to play any shoe one hand at a time, or to run various statistics on a single shoe or any grouping of shoes of your choice, members sharing what they are currently doing in actual casinos -- how they play, where they see opportunities to better attack this game.  Wow.  We need an application for membership where the prospective member explains why they should be allowed access to all of this.   It's OK that not everyone makes the cut.   What about you @kino, how would you fill out that application?

Great comment from one helluva player on the public forum.  There is so much information in the private area that Keith's server should be overloaded with applications to get in.   I am declaring that this will be my last addition to the private forum and I would ask all of the members of the private area to stop posting on the public area.  This is not welfare, you should not be able to extract information for free.  

[kino]

ive been a member guys, How do you think I was able to learn all the systems to be able to win  I was only a member for a few months but did gather a lot of information, And I do understand when you have a winning system to want to keep that to yourself, I guess I wasn't really wanting to know new systems I just wanted to be able to talk to other amateur players, Because the way I play is working fine for me right now, And I am winning!  And it is fine to have teachers but at the same time you want to be able to talk to your classmates about how they're doing, And again I was not trying to be negative at all, Was just curious how come amateur members never chime in on things. Anyways thanks for the input guys! I shall keep quiet like everybody else..  

[avion]

I totally agree McVince and way2fast.  Thank you both.  

[ECD]

1 hour ago, kino said:

ive been a member guys, How do you think I was able to learn all the systems to be able to win  I was only a member for a few months but did gather a lot of information, And I do understand when you have a winning system to want to keep that to yourself, I guess I wasn't really wanting to know new systems I just wanted to be able to talk to other amateur players, Because the way I play is working fine for me right now, And I am winning!  And it is fine to have teachers but at the same time you want to be able to talk to your classmates about how they're doing, And again I was not trying to be negative at all, Was just curious how come amateur members never chime in on things. Anyways thanks for the input guys! I shall keep quiet like everybody else..  

I didn't take your comments as negative at all.  Just wanted to explain to the countless people who come on expecting to see lots of information on the public forum why that is an unrealistic expectation.  Talking with other players is the path to success, and if that is what you are interested in, why are you no longer a member where you talk with all the other players/members?  You are winning, but the cost of membership is too great?  Sorry, but that's just complete BS.  You will never make it by downloading the old systems from the site and then disappearing.  The systems, BY THEMSELVES, don't work in the long run -- just like every other mechanical system available on the internet.  As I mentioned, the club may not be for everyone -- only for those who truly value what the club can do for their success.

[kino]

When did i say the cost of the membership was too great?? Man you guys are making this simple question way BIGGER than what it is.. All I wanted to know is about the experiences of other amateur players, all of a sudden this public forum should be shut down, nobody is gonna give out information for free ( Well Duhh)  I'm winning just fine combining the system knowledge I know with experience.. And I say I am an amateur cause I don't make my living at Baccarat, I have been playing for 5 years though.. Never asked for information just experiences..  Here are pics of wins I had over the weekend, bought in for $500.. And maybe I will become a member again, hope you guys are nicer in there.. 

[ECD]

I'm sorry you completely mis-understood comments which, as I said, were directed to the masses.  Glad to hear you are doing well, we are all on the same side! 

[avion]

Kino, with all due respect, sincerely, as members we each COMMIT ourselves to, for and with each other, for the welfare, common good and yes friendships that we make here.  That far exceeds kindness in every category for what it truly is all about.  Congrats on your wins and experience in doing so.

[Andre kinard]

On 10/10/2017 at 9:54 AM, kino said:

I never really see posts about normal everyday players winning. Just pretty much the same 4 or 5 guys, There's gotta be more people than that playing this game LOL.  Is there any amateur players winning consistently out there With the help of the wonderful knowledge on this forum? I myself have been able to have some consistent wins from the knowledge that I got from beat the casino, Would be nice to hear from some different people about their experiences playing. I have a normal job and I play about twice a week on the weekends, So far I have 10 consecutive wins, Playing at the $50 unit level, But now that my bankroll has increased I'm thinking about moving to the hundred dollar level.  

 

I'm a amateur player and I've been winning a lil with some of this information but I lose sometimes pressing my bet at the wrong time

[barneypip]

I think most of us would rather not brag about our winnings too much...I win more than I lose, and for long term success, that's all it takes.  I too, will not reveal winning strategy on the Public Forum.  I pay for my BTC education,  and it continues to pay me back.  Anyone who wants to learn from the pros needs to do the same.   I signed up 4 or 5 months ago playing greens.  Now I'm a black chip man.  That should tell you something......if you want to know how I do it, and how everyone else does it,  become a Premium Forum member.   Join the elite 1% !! 

[kachatz1]

Well said regarding public forum discussion...

               And the most revealing statement of all is about those 250,000 + shoes that can be dissected, analyzed , learned-from, etc.

Its all in StatsForProfit, and you could have them all in your hip-pocket, access 24-7...for less than the cost of dinner-and a-movie.

             -No, this is not a dating site...but if you believe the road to salvation is Match.com, or eHarmony, think of STATS as your ticket to the best “Baccarat mating site” on the planet!

Contact Keith, TODAY, and find out just how good things can be for you, and your game.

 

 

Edited October 20, 2017 by kachatz1

[scaldedcat]

I have had some email discussions with Keith regarding joining, or rather re-joining, lately and I am still considering what to do. I became a member a number of years ago but various things I had happen in my life gave me no time for baccarat or much else for that matter.

I am a disabled pensioner and have only ever wanted to try and make a small amount each week or so to supplement my pension.

So I logged in today to just see what was being said on the public forum. And I have to say I was very unimpressed. Reading through this thread started by Kino and the responses were bordering on being just plain rude. All he was asking was whether other amateur players posted about how they were doing. He wasn't asking for a "free ride" or as one poster put it "this is not welfare, you should not expect to extract information for free". Wtf? This has nothing to do with what the OP was asking about and is just plain rude, pure and simple.

It is suggested from the paying members that this public forum should be shut down. I would have disagreed as it is a good place to find out what is happening and assist those interested in paid membership to make a decision.

But judging by the responses to one of the very first threads I opened, maybe it is a good idea if Keith shut it down. Because being a new guy looking at paying for the full membership, the sort of responses from a guy asking just a simple question is very off putting to say the least.

And if that is the attitude shown to such a benign question, why would anyone think it would be any different in the paid area?

 

[ECD]

3 hours ago, scaldedcat said:

I have had some email discussions with Keith regarding joining, or rather re-joining, lately and I am still considering what to do. I became a member a number of years ago but various things I had happen in my life gave me no time for baccarat or much else for that matter.

I am a disabled pensioner and have only ever wanted to try and make a small amount each week or so to supplement my pension.

So I logged in today to just see what was being said on the public forum. And I have to say I was very unimpressed. Reading through this thread started by Kino and the responses were bordering on being just plain rude. All he was asking was whether other amateur players posted about how they were doing. He wasn't asking for a "free ride" or as one poster put it "this is not welfare, you should not expect to extract information for free". Wtf? This has nothing to do with what the OP was asking about and is just plain rude, pure and simple.

It is suggested from the paying members that this public forum should be shut down. I would have disagreed as it is a good place to find out what is happening and assist those interested in paid membership to make a decision.

But judging by the responses to one of the very first threads I opened, maybe it is a good idea if Keith shut it down. Because being a new guy looking at paying for the full membership, the sort of responses from a guy asking just a simple question is very off putting to say the least.

And if that is the attitude shown to such a benign question, why would anyone think it would be any different in the paid area?

 

You seem to have overlooked the fact that by his own admission the guy in question joined up for a few months...downloaded all the info he could and then scarpered. That is wrong on so many levels. He is a leaner... not a lifter...not interested in giving back but interested in getting tips from others of his ilk.  Anyone who thinks that is all that is needed is in for a rude shock. The benefits of BTC come from shared ideas between members. 

Your choice...I don't much care either way.

[scaldedcat]

I didn't overlook anything, you seem to have overlooked completely the reply's this guy received from a simple question.

Is what he did illegal in anyway or improper in anyway? If the membership payment system is flawed then that something for Keith to address I guess. But as it stands he did nothing wrong and was simply asking a question.

It is not really about the OP of this thread or even the question he asked. It is the reaction and posts from yourself and others that is surprising to me.

I'm in my 50's now and don't put up with BS anymore, life's too short. If you want membership to grow than you show people a certain amount of respect. This goes for both sides. But when you post comments like the ones on this thread, irrespective of what you may have thought of the guys motives, you not only send him packing but also those who were considering joining.

I have no wish to join a club or whatever where there is a hierarchy that decides whether or not a question is deemed worthy and if not send forth rude and uncalled for responses.

From the pleasant and informative emails I've had with Keith I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be all that impressed either. I may be wrong, but either way it's not for me.

And Ozcouser your last words say it perfectly. "I don't care much either way". That is blatantly clear.

[ECD]

1 hour ago, scaldedcat said:

I didn't overlook anything, you seem to have overlooked completely the reply's this guy received from a simple question.

Is what he did illegal in anyway or improper in anyway? If the membership payment system is flawed then that something for Keith to address I guess. But as it stands he did nothing wrong and was simply asking a question.

It is not really about the OP of this thread or even the question he asked. It is the reaction and posts from yourself and others that is surprising to me.

I'm in my 50's now and don't put up with BS anymore, life's too short. If you want membership to grow than you show people a certain amount of respect. This goes for both sides. But when you post comments like the ones on this thread, irrespective of what you may have thought of the guys motives, you not only send him packing but also those who were considering joining.

I have no wish to join a club or whatever where there is a hierarchy that decides whether or not a question is deemed worthy and if not send forth rude and uncalled for responses.

From the pleasant and informative emails I've had with Keith I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be all that impressed either. I may be wrong, but either way it's not for me.

And Ozcouser your last words say it perfectly. "I don't care much either way". That is blatantly clear.

I vowed not to post on the public forum but I am going to break it this one time.  You are just adding this stuff on to pick a fight with people.  I agree with you that the payment options are flawed and there are discussions to fix the flaw.   I also agree that he did not do anything illegal, but he did something improper.   If you are going to do something like pay the initial fee, extract all the info, stop payment and still remain on the public free forum, that is the equivalent as poaching for the information and that person is lower than whale shit in my eyes.   Keith set up the payment option as a way to make it easy on new members trusting that once they saw the vast information on the private section they would stay.   I think Keith underestimated the amount of "Poachers" that are out there.  Then to add insult to injury the "Poachers" get access to the free stuff.   Keith is a very nice guy trying to make a buck and unfortunately nice guys finish last.  

Guys like me that have done the Master Classes for the private membership don't get paid.  They put the time in to prepare their class to help another guy out.  Forgive us if we seem a little guarded from the guys that troll this public forum.   As for you, I am in a similar position as you.  I am newly retired with a pension that is playing full time.   If you continue to want to pick a fight regarding this, pick it with me,  I'm you're Huckleberry.  

[ECD]

8 hours ago, scaldedcat said:

I have had some email discussions with Keith regarding joining, or rather re-joining, lately and I am still considering what to do. I became a member a number of years ago but various things I had happen in my life gave me no time for baccarat or much else for that matter.

I am a disabled pensioner and have only ever wanted to try and make a small amount each week or so to supplement my pension.

So I logged in today to just see what was being said on the public forum. And I have to say I was very unimpressed. Reading through this thread started by Kino and the responses were bordering on being just plain rude. All he was asking was whether other amateur players posted about how they were doing. He wasn't asking for a "free ride" or as one poster put it "this is not welfare, you should not expect to extract information for free". Wtf? This has nothing to do with what the OP was asking about and is just plain rude, pure and simple.

It is suggested from the paying members that this public forum should be shut down. I would have disagreed as it is a good place to find out what is happening and assist those interested in paid membership to make a decision.

But judging by the responses to one of the very first threads I opened, maybe it is a good idea if Keith shut it down. Because being a new guy looking at paying for the full membership, the sort of responses from a guy asking just a simple question is very off putting to say the least.

And if that is the attitude shown to such a benign question, why would anyone think it would be any different in the paid area?

 

If you actually are interested in the club, I would wonder why you choose to judge it by one thread on the public forum when as a legacy member you already have access to so much more?  The public forum is not a good place to get reliable information, or to even begin to understand what the club is all about and it provides no useful purpose to the club members.  It has become a place where any character can show up and post their latest greatest way to make money (i.e. JMoney), or expose their endless theories about what makes them awesome (i.e. alrelax aka Glen aka 8orbetter).   It is the internet after all -- where anyone can say whatever they want.  It is up to each reader to judge who's real and who's not and to make a decision for themselves on what to believe.  Like Oz, I also "don't care much either way."  Just so you don't interpret my words to fit your dialogue and agenda, let me explain.  YOU have to decide what you want to do.  Join the club?  That would be great and what you get out of it will be based on what you put into it and the members will do more than you can imagine to help you succeed.  Don't join?  That's fine too -- after all, its not for everyone.   Maybe you can pick up some tips from the internet trolls here on the public forum.  I do wish you luck with that.  If the public forum ever does go away, we can also refer you to a couple others you might want to check out -- no shortage of internet gurus ready to sell you the holy grail.

If you did join the club, what should you expect?  There is no guru with decades of baccarat experience to sell you something -- just other members with the same goals and objectives as you. 

The members are not there to TELL you what to do.  Instead, they are there to help YOU figure out what works best for YOU. 

Sure, the members are full of ideas, tips and tricks. They are there to help guide you down the path, and support you all the way.

But only YOU can know for sure what’s the best way to play for YOU.

But not everyone is looking for this -- and that's OK too.

Edited October 23, 2017 by ECD

[ECD]

3 hours ago, way2fast said:

If you actually are interested in the club, I would wonder why you choose to judge it by one thread on the public forum when as a legacy member you already have access to so much more?  The public forum is not a good place to get reliable information, or to even begin to understand what the club is all about and it provides no useful purpose to the club members.  It has become a place where any character can show up and post their latest greatest way to make money (i.e. JMoney), or expose their endless theories about what makes them awesome (i.e. alrelax aka Glen aka 8orbetter).   It is the internet after all -- where anyone can say whatever they want.  It is up to each reader to judge who's real and who's not and to make a decision for themselves on what to believe.  Like Oz, I also "don't care much either way."  Just so you don't interpret my words to fit your dialogue and agenda, let me explain.  YOU have to decide what you want to do.  Join the club?  That would be great and what you get out of it will be based on what you put into it and the members will do more than you can imagine to help you succeed.  Don't join?  That's fine too -- after all, its not for everyone.   Maybe you can pick up some tips from the internet trolls here on the public forum.  I do wish you luck with that.  If the public forum ever does go away, we can also refer you to a couple others you might want to check out -- no shortage of internet gurus ready to sell you the holy grail.

If you did join the club, what should you expect?  There is no guru with decades of baccarat experience to sell you something -- just other members with the same goals and objectives as you. 

The members are not there to TELL you what to do.  Instead, they are there to help YOU figure out what works best for YOU. 

Sure, the members are full of ideas, tips and tricks. They are there to help guide you down the path, and support you all the way.

But only YOU can know for sure what’s the best way to play for YOU.

But not everyone is looking for this -- and that's OK too.

Always the voice of reason w2f which is why you are so good at what you do away from the tables. Vinnie gets me fired up and you calm me back down...kinda like double strength Valium...LOL

Keith is basically a good person trying to suss out a business plan that will work for the members and encourage new members as well. BTC is, in fact, the antithesis of every other Paid membership Gambling site that I know of in that it isn't the site owner doing the scamming but temporary members scamming the owner and the members that have put all this info together. I don't know the answer myself which is why I stay away from the discussion.

As for Scalded Cat...He says that he is in his 50's and he doesn't put up with BS anymore...(some might call it "chip on the shoulder" syndrome) but I would never be so bold...cough...cough...

Anyway...I've put a lot of time and effort into this Forum (like many others) and I feel that I've earned the right to be a little protective about the information available to full members and if people don't like my attitude..."Tell someone who cares"...This Forum is about improving the play and thereby the lifestyle of those that want to give back as well. If you don't wanna do that...it's your loss because downloading the info and walking away won't do it for you. 

The good side for me is that I'm feeling like I dodged a bullet. I value my privacy greatly but was looking at breaking my Golden Rule on the previous occasion when SC was on the Forum because of his situation. Hard not to respect a guy that is battling adversity and I was looking at a personal tuition gig at his home casino. I don't do that shit and despite some nagging doubts...this would have been my one and only exception. Then he disappeared and I let it drop and now this...

Memo to SC: You won the Lottery son and tore up the ticket...and "YES"...I am that good...

 

Edited October 23, 2017 by ECD

[ECD]

3 hours ago, McVince said:

I vowed not to post on the public forum but I am going to break it this one time.  You are just adding this stuff on to pick a fight with people.  I agree with you that the payment options are flawed and there are discussions to fix the flaw.   I also agree that he did not do anything illegal, but he did something improper.   If you are going to do something like pay the initial fee, extract all the info, stop payment and still remain on the public free forum, that is the equivalent as poaching for the information and that person is lower than whale shit in my eyes.   Keith set up the payment option as a way to make it easy on new members trusting that once they saw the vast information on the private section they would stay.   I think Keith underestimated the amount of "Poachers" that are out there.  Then to add insult to injury the "Poachers" get access to the free stuff.   Keith is a very nice guy trying to make a buck and unfortunately nice guys finish last.  

Guys like me that have done the Master Classes for the private membership don't get paid.  They put the time in to prepare their class to help another guy out.  Forgive us if we seem a little guarded from the guys that troll this public forum.   As for you, I am in a similar position as you.  I am newly retired with a pension that is playing full time.   If you continue to want to pick a fight regarding this, pick it with me,  I'm you're Huckleberry.  

Are you and w2f doing the "Good Cop...Bad Cop" thing?...LOL

Prob is that you throw me into the mix and we have "Bad Cop...Ozzie Bad Cop and Good Cop"...LOL