Users ECD Posted November 5, 2017 Users Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) I saw this on the forum that cannot be named. I would have replied to it there but the owner deletes anything that's detrimental to helping them scam new players. So I will reply here. It's by Maxamillion who is also a member on this forum. Maxamillion Participant Wow Wow Wow and Wow …….. I have only read a few post where people are losing then corrected because they are using the wrong system .And most people such as myself want to be discrete as to how much they are winning when the time comes ……. (You don’t do my taxes ..). I have made enough to be very comfortable .. That’s all I’m going to say . As for the Forum and systems . Wasn’t it stated that it will be a work in progress , with updates as needed to the systems . And New systems to be Explored ….. So for the small price for those new systems that make a killing at the tables before the casinos figure out how to beat them is well worth it to me . After all nothing is free for ever . A price has to be paid somewhere . Ellis is putting time and time into answering most if not all questions by everyone . So the small price for all that on the new systems , ( times 10 profit for me ) to be played at the tables is more than worth it . So when you get to those chips that are above black and purple and walk away with more than you put down to start with . … Which will happen faster than you realize . You will sit back and laugh your ASS off , ( which is what i do ) . At how easy it really is to make money on the game and pay the small price for the updates and Newer systems that are being developed … Don’t mean to insult anyone or offend anyone by this post . And if it doe’s . You have to look into the mirror and ask yourself Why . ………… What am i doing wrong with all this info on this web sight for a cheep price and expect much more in return ………Remember that saying that went like this …… CASH … GRASS … or ASS . I’ll pay the cash ………… Later everyone …….. Max……………….. Edited November 5, 2017 by ECD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 5, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, CT70 said: I saw this on the forum that cannot be named. I would have replied to it there but the owner deletes anything that's detrimental to helping them scam new players. So I will reply here. It's by Maxamillion who is also a member on this forum. Maxamillion Participant Wow Wow Wow and Wow …….. I have only read a few post where people are losing then corrected because they are using the wrong system .And most people such as myself want to be discrete as to how much they are winning when the time comes ……. (You don’t do my taxes ..). I have made enough to be very comfortable .. That’s all I’m going to say . As for the Forum and systems . Wasn’t it stated that it will be a work in progress , with updates as needed to the systems . And New systems to be Explored ….. So for the small price for those new systems that make a killing at the tables before the casinos figure out how to beat them is well worth it to me . After all nothing is free for ever . A price has to be paid somewhere . Ellis is putting time and time into answering most if not all questions by everyone . So the small price for all that on the new systems , ( times 10 profit for me ) to be played at the tables is more than worth it . So when you get to those chips that are above black and purple and walk away with more than you put down to start with . … Which will happen faster than you realize . You will sit back and laugh your ASS off , ( which is what i do ) . At how easy it really is to make money on the game and pay the small price for the updates and Newer systems that are being developed … Don’t mean to insult anyone or offend anyone by this post . And if it doe’s . You have to look into the mirror and ask yourself Why . ………… What am i doing wrong with all this info on this web sight for a cheep price and expect much more in return ………Remember that saying that went like this …… CASH … GRASS … or ASS . I’ll pay the cash ………… Later everyone …….. Max……………….. Hey Max, I read your post on CFC today and I had to refrain from responding to you on that forum since Dean (Ellis' partner deletes anything that is detrimental to the site and you would have not gotten my message. You're a legend in your own mind. THAT being said, I think you're full of shit and you have your head so far up Ellis' ass just like Carlos and Ed Gil, that you're starting to hallucinate. Those 2 guys asked all the right questions. Stop defending Ellis and his scams. You're just as guilty as he is for defending him. You may be playing black and purple, but if you are following Ellis's systems and his crazy progressions, then you're probably betting 5 high, and it's only a matter of time before you lose 20 units in row. You might be able to fool newbies with what you said but you can't fool me. I'm a master of the game. CT70 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 5, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Oh yes Max, how can I forget to mention the most important thing. If what you are using is everything you learned from Ellis's systems, then why is it that Ellis is still playing reds and greens? CT70 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 5, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Wow CT, I don't think I ever saw you this mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 6, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 22 hours ago, CT70 said: Oh yes Max, how can I forget to mention the most important thing. If what you are using is everything you learned from Ellis's systems, then why is it that Ellis is still playing reds and greens? CT70 The best question to ask...LOL Continuously bragging about turning out 3 millionaires except none of them play/played his Negative Progression Mechanical Systems and yet he still plays Reds and Greens...LOL Norm managed to go from $25 units to a $2 million plus Bankroll in two years while Ellis is still fart arsing about playing $25 units after 40 YEARS and still telling the same old stories about never having had a losing day despite the number of witnesses to the contrary. As for Max...he has joined Carlos in vying for the title of "chief arselicker"... I'm guessing his head most likely looks like he dunked it in a vat of hot chocolate fudge. As far as I am concerned...if you promote a scammer in his scams...you are no better yourself. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 7, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 16 hours ago, ozscouser1 said: The best question to ask...LOL Continuously bragging about turning out 3 millionaires except none of them play/played his Negative Progression Mechanical Systems and yet he still plays Reds and Greens...LOL Norm managed to go from $25 units to a $2 million plus Bankroll in two years while Ellis is still fart arsing about playing $25 units after 40 YEARS and still telling the same old stories about never having had a losing day despite the number of witnesses to the contrary. As for Max...he has joined Carlos in vying for the title of "chief arselicker"... I'm guessing his head most likely looks like he dunked it in a vat of hot chocolate fudge. As far as I am concerned...if you promote a scammer in his scams...you are no better yourself. As true to everyone's word, none of the questions the guy asked were answered. I am assuming that since his/her post was deleted the account was probably deleted as well. Members of that forum should start asking themselves why he wouldn't address the questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 7, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 3 hours ago, McVince said: As true to everyone's word, none of the questions the guy asked were answered. I am assuming that since his/her post was deleted the account was probably deleted as well. Members of that forum should start asking themselves why he wouldn't address the questions. I do hope Ellis doesn't tire of CFC...I like to read it for comic relief...kinda like "stress relief" This comment was classic Ellis while trying to extricate $1K from JMoney ... This after Jordan/JMoney made an 8 unit bet with his score at -30...LOL Hmm, not bad at all Jordan! Your betting is a little wild but at least you are not afraid to bet. And you learned your forum navigation quickly. You are a smart guy. Apparently, Ellis's 160 IQ didn't pick up on two things... 1) Jordan was only playing with "Play Money" (which is why he wasn't afraid to bet) 2) Ellis is never going to get his greedy grasping hands on $1K of Jordan's money because Jordan isn't really interested in CFC or even BTC for that matter but is trying to drum up subscribers to his own Blog...LOL Tell me again Ellis how that 160 IQ is working for you... 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.O Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 New York Times reporter asked Stephen Hawking what his IQ was. “I have no idea,” the theoretical physicist replied. “People who boast about their IQ are losers.” 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 8, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) On 06/11/2017 at 9:35 AM, CT70 said: Oh yes Max, how can I forget to mention the most important thing. If what you are using is everything you learned from Ellis's systems, then why is it that Ellis is still playing reds and greens? CT70 I'm just as pissed off as you CT. I know I take the piss out of JMoney/Jordan but he basically seems like a decent guy albeit with maybe a few Kangaroos asleep in the top paddock. Ellis will always be Ellis...He is what he is...a snake-oil salesman come scammer who will say or do whatever it takes (NO lie is too big) to rip off the unwary. We recognise it...we deal with it by trying to warn people. Max, however, is another matter. It's pretty obvious from his posts on CFC that he knows sweet F***k all about Baccarat...not all that bright and along with Carlos suffers from a pathetically desperate need for some sort of acknowledgement from "The Great Man"...whether it be a pat on the head or the occasional spare pare of Ellis's used undies thrown his way. He even has his own "PET" name for Ellis..."Uncle Ellis"..."UNCLEFREAKINGELLIS"...FFS!!!...That is beyond childish...beyond pathetic...Seriously!...Who does that shit? But I digress...Like I said...Ellis is what he is...but it takes a really special lower than a snake's dick scumbag to assist with the scamming of people that are maybe a little gullible...too trusting perhaps...maybe even not that bright. It's wrong on so many levels. Max knows that the mechanical systems don't work... He knows that all the top players have been banned from CFC for daring to question Ellis He knows that members are never given a refund on membership despite being banned He knows that all posts that ask awkward questions are deleted as soon as detected He knows that what Ellis says on his Public Forum is different to what is going on in the Private Forum He knows all this, but it doesn't matter a shit to him as long as he can score Carlos's leftovers. He claims to wear our condemnation as a "Badge of Honour"..."Hey Uncle Ellis...The BTC lot are Criticising me...They must be jealous...Have I been a good little Maximillion...Have I uncle Ellis...Have I"?... FFS! I know you will be reading this Max...and my message to you before you follow Ellis over the cliff with the other NP Lemmings... You wish you could be one-tenth of the player that CT is and CT as a player... shits all over Ellis. Also Max...I'm coming to the US shortly...How about you put your money where your mouth is. We all meet up...The best of BTC...Way2fast...ct70...Kevin...Vinny...myself...(bloody hell...I could throw in another dozen or more) against the best of CFC...only prob is that you might have to stake Ellis because I'll be s*****d up the arse before I'll travel that far to play reds and greens. 40 years of Baccarat and still playing reds and greens is beyond embarrassing... Your call Max... or it can be my call if you like Max...I have your number...no kidding...LOL Edited November 8, 2017 by ECD 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 8, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 12 hours ago, ozscouser1 said: I'm just as pissed off as you CT. I know I take the piss out of JMoney/Jordan but he basically seems like a decent guy albeit with maybe a few Kangaroos asleep in the top paddock. Ellis will always be Ellis...He is what he is...a snake-oil salesman come scammer who will say or do whatever it takes (NO lie is too big) to rip off the unwary. We recognise it...we deal with it by trying to warn people. Max, however, is another matter. It's pretty obvious from his posts on CFC that he knows sweet F***k all about Baccarat...not all that bright and along with Carlos suffers from a pathetically desperate need for some sort of acknowledgement from "The Great Man"...whether it be a pat on the head or the occasional spare pare of Ellis's used undies thrown his way. He even has his own "PET" name for Ellis..."Uncle Ellis"..."UNCLEFREAKINGELLIS"...FFS!!!...That is beyond childish...beyond pathetic...Seriously!...Who does that shit? But I digress...Like I said...Ellis is what he is...but it takes a really special lower than a snake's dick scumbag to assist with the scamming of people that are maybe a little gullible...too trusting perhaps...maybe even not that bright. It's wrong on so many levels. Max knows that the mechanical systems don't work... He knows that all the top players have been banned from CFC for daring to question Ellis He knows that members are never given a refund on membership despite being banned He knows that all posts that ask awkward questions are deleted as soon as detected He knows that what Ellis says on his Public Forum is different to what is going on in the Private Forum He knows all this, but it doesn't matter a shit to him as long as he can score Carlos's leftovers. He claims to wear our condemnation as a "Badge of Honour"..."Hey Uncle Ellis...The BTC lot are Criticising me...They must be jealous...Have I been a good little Maximillion...Have I uncle Ellis...Have I"?... FFS! I know you will be reading this Max...and my message to you before you follow Ellis over the cliff with the other NP Lemmings... You wish you could be one-tenth of the player that CT is and CT as a player... shits all over Ellis. Also Max...I'm coming to the US shortly...How about you put your money where your mouth is. We all meet up...The best of BTC...Way2fast...ct70...Kevin...Vinny...myself...(bloody hell...I could throw in another dozen or more) against the best of CFC...only prob is that you might have to stake Ellis because I'll be s*****d up the arse before I'll travel that far to play reds and greens. 40 years of Baccarat and still playing reds and greens is beyond embarrassing... Your call Max... or it can be my call if you like Max...I have your number...no kidding...LOL The rumble in the jungle aka: Baccarat table. lol A good sign of a healthy forum is spirited debates. Anyone can go to any thread here and view differing opinions on the game. It is then when you can sift through the debate and drum up with a good answer to whatever the debate was. Unfortunately for CFC, there is no spirited debates. Anyone that throws up a controversial thread or reply, it quickly gets removed and the person who authored the thread/question is whacked, never to be heard from again. I just don't get it. You are right OZ, it is fun to look at CFC but I can't get into the private forum. I am down for the rumble though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users JMoney45 Posted November 8, 2017 Users Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Why won't y'all just leave the man alone?????? You all claim that you know way more than Ellis knows and yet y'all treat him like a nobody. If you guys and Ellis were departed from each other, then keep it that way!!! It's sad that a man's vision wants to be criticized all because the way things turned out. You are all making money so just focus on that instead!! Quote Jordan "The Ballin' J-Money" Leturgez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianJohnsonsHat Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 4 hours ago, McVince said: The rumble in the jungle aka: Baccarat table. lol A good sign of a healthy forum is spirited debates. Anyone can go to any thread here and view differing opinions on the game. It is then when you can sift through the debate and drum up with a good answer to whatever the debate was. Unfortunately for CFC, there is no spirited debates. Anyone that throws up a controversial thread or reply, it quickly gets removed and the person who authored the thread/question is whacked, never to be heard from again. I just don't get it. You are right OZ, it is fun to look at CFC but I can't get into the private forum. I am down for the rumble though. I wouldn't worry too much about the private forum McVince...I could barely get in there for all the tumbleweed rollin' on thru... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 8, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 18 minutes ago, JMoney45 said: Why won't y'all just leave the man alone?????? You all claim that you know way more than Ellis knows and yet y'all treat him like a nobody. If you guys and Ellis were departed from each other, then keep it that way!!! It's sad that a man's vision wants to be criticized all because the way things turned out. You are all making money so just focus on that instead!! The "man's" vision is to try and scam you. He will suck up to you and feed you false promises and kick you straight off his Forum if you dare to question him. (after he gets his greedy paws on your money) What you don't seem to grasp JMoney as that several BTC members (good people...decent people) were in fact scammed by Ellis...They paid for a product that was delivered 2 years late and was not what was promised and anyone who dared to question or complain was simply booted off the CFC Forum. By the time people realised that "The Final Word" was effectively 20 odd pages of old lunch wrappers with a few notes and rehashed systems that are mostly available here on BTC...it was all too late because not one of the many dissatisfied customers who joined CFC and paid for their systems has ever received a refund. So tell me young Jordan why you don't think they have the right to criticise...unlike you, they bought and paid $1250 + for that right. I suspect that if you had been ripped off in a similar fashion that you too would be more than a little pissed off. While on the subject...here is a breakdown of how the CFC scammers operate... Ellis: Makes false promises and keeps designing new unbeatable systems convinced that the casinos keep changing the cards to beat his systems...but after 40 years of Baccarat is still playing reds and greens Dean: Runs the site and his job is to take the money and watch carefully for any signs of dissent and remove both offending posts and poster. Turns up at CFC seminars looking like a homeless waif hoping to scrounge a spare bunk with other attendees...Ellis's systems obviously aren't helping his financial situation much. Carlos: The much lauded so called "Independent Tester" (another lie) who has been following Ellis like a bad smell for untold years and verifies Ellis's ridiculous claims while at the same time scrounging for information from the top players on BTC while admitting that the systems he tests are not working (I still have his emails) There you have it...The Trifecta of "LOSERS"...but not forgetting little "Maxie"...Ellis's new lapdog, who rolls over hoping that "Uncle Ellis" will give his tummy a scratch but still has to check every day to see if his balls have finally dropped. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianJohnsonsHat Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 That description of Dean was just tooooooo funny, Oz He has rather an interesting online presence, and appears to be rather a "jack of all trades" (and master of none, of course). Certified ChiWalking and ChiRunning Instructor, realtor, health food guru, sex god... "You are about to embark upon a journey that will reveal to you the Secret Code to Success as lived and taught by the Masters who have gone before us. The only variable is YOU. ARE YOU ready for: OPTIMAL HEALTH & Feeling Better Than You Have Ever Felt Before? ABUNDANT WEALTH & Earning Passive Income – Every Month, And The TIME to Enjoy it? The OPPORTUNITY to Pay it Forward & Make a Positive Difference in the Lives of Others? Satisfaction is Guaranteed! " Heard it all a million times...blah blah blah...wealth...riches...and there's even some pics of him looking all sultry posing for the camera like a male model (where's that vomiting smiley when I need it?!) Gotta go get my BS radar repaired now...it's melted...doh. BJH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 8, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, BrianJohnsonsHat said: That description of Dean was just tooooooo funny, Oz He has rather an interesting online presence, and appears to be rather a "jack of all trades" (and master of none, of course). Certified ChiWalking and ChiRunning Instructor, realtor, health food guru, sex god... "You are about to embark upon a journey that will reveal to you the Secret Code to Success as lived and taught by the Masters who have gone before us. The only variable is YOU. ARE YOU ready for: OPTIMAL HEALTH & Feeling Better Than You Have Ever Felt Before? ABUNDANT WEALTH & Earning Passive Income – Every Month, And The TIME to Enjoy it? The OPPORTUNITY to Pay it Forward & Make a Positive Difference in the Lives of Others? Satisfaction is Guaranteed! " Heard it all a million times...blah blah blah...wealth...riches...and there's even some pics of him looking all sultry posing for the camera like a male model (where's that vomiting smiley when I need it?!) Gotta go get my BS radar repaired now...it's melted...doh. BJH. 2 Does he do the Kim Kardashian pout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.O Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 To me its just sad when i remember how respected he was here. And he left behind all that for just one thing, something he was striving for all the time, even here on BTC, more $. I remember when i just got here, and i told Norm, how it seems to me that Ellis is really good player, and that he knows a lot about this game. He told me that he is, but just to not belive everything he says. Seems that old Norm was better then us in more things, and not just in bacc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users JMoney45 Posted November 8, 2017 Users Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 29 minutes ago, ozscouser1 said: The "man's" vision is to try and scam you. He will suck up to you and feed you false promises and kick you straight off his Forum if you dare to question him. (after he gets his greedy paws on your money) What you don't seem to grasp JMoney as that several BTC members (good people...decent people) were in fact scammed by Ellis...They paid for a product that was delivered 2 years late and was not what was promised and anyone who dared to question or complain was simply booted off the CFC Forum. By the time people realised that "The Final Word" was effectively 20 odd pages of old lunch wrappers with a few notes and rehashed systems that are mostly available here on BTC...it was all too late because not one of the many dissatisfied customers who joined CFC and paid for their systems has ever received a refund. So tell me young Jordan why you don't think they have the right to criticise...unlike you, they bought and paid $1250 + for that right. I suspect that if you had been ripped off in a similar fashion that you too would be more than a little pissed off. While on the subject...here is a breakdown of how the CFC scammers operate... Ellis: Makes false promises and keeps designing new unbeatable systems convinced that the casinos keep changing the cards to beat his systems...but after 40 years of Baccarat is still playing reds and greens Dean: Runs the site and his job is to take the money and watch carefully for any signs of dissent and remove both offending posts and poster. Turns up at CFC seminars looking like a homeless waif hoping to scrounge a spare bunk with other attendees...Ellis's systems obviously aren't helping his financial situation much. Carlos: The much lauded so called "Independent Tester" (another lie) who has been following Ellis like a bad smell for untold years and verifies Ellis's ridiculous claims while at the same time scrounging for information from the top players on BTC while admitting that the systems he tests are not working (I still have his emails) There you have it...The Trifecta of "LOSERS"...but not forgetting little "Maxie"...Ellis's new lapdog, who rolls over hoping that "Uncle Ellis" will give his tummy a scratch but still has to check every day to see if his balls have finally dropped. Well if that is the case, I can see why there are 2 sides of the story that really doesn't matter to me. CFC nor BTC will not need to worry about me investing my hard earned money in these forums. Sure you all treat it like a business but that's beside the point. The point we are all gamblers so we are all taking risks. So everyone who got scammed (Along with millions of other scammed people across the earth) made that choice and learned the hard way. That;s why we learn from our mistakes and move on. If Ellis wants to scam people then let him. It'll come back to you. And I would say the same if any of you are in his shoes. At the end of the day, just make the money and just teach people who want to learn through free or paid teachings. Quote Jordan "The Ballin' J-Money" Leturgez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianJohnsonsHat Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, ozscouser1 said: Does he do the Kim Kardashian pout? One of 'em is topless...he could be completely naked for all we know...that'd DEFINITELY break the internet!!! Dammit, I need that vomiting smiley again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 8, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, BrianJohnsonsHat said: One of 'em is topless...he could be completely naked for all we know...that'd DEFINITELY break the internet!!! Dammit, I need that vomiting smiley again You just know that I'm going to ask you to send me the link... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 8, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, BrianJohnsonsHat said: One of 'em is topless...he could be completely naked for all we know...that'd DEFINITELY break the internet!!! Dammit, I need that vomiting smiley again If it's only the top half...I have a fair idea where Carlos is... Bad Oz... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianJohnsonsHat Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, ozscouser1 said: You just know that I'm going to ask you to send me the link... You wanna see Dean naked (insert missing vomiting smiley) OMG!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 8, 2017 Author Users Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, BrianJohnsonsHat said: You wanna see Dean naked (insert missing vomiting smiley) OMG!!!!! Hmm...Now that I think about it...My laptop has only just recovered from my last coffee spitting effort...a bucket of vomit might be the end of it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.O Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Something that we all do after visiting public forum 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Surprising that she didn't put it in a microwave or an oven to dry it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member wolfat Posted November 9, 2017 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 8 hours ago, JMoney45 said: Well if that is the case, I can see why there are 2 sides of the story that really doesn't matter to me. CFC nor BTC will not need to worry about me investing my hard earned money in these forums. Sure you all treat it like a business but that's beside the point. The point we are all gamblers so we are all taking risks. So everyone who got scammed (Along with millions of other scammed people across the earth) made that choice and learned the hard way. That;s why we learn from our mistakes and move on. If Ellis wants to scam people then let him. It'll come back to you. And I would say the same if any of you are in his shoes. At the end of the day, just make the money and just teach people who want to learn through free or paid teachings. what you'd if you buy a car that doesn't work? and the company refuses to repair it or giving your money back? I will go to my advocate and I will post this everywhere, to warn people! BTC is doing the same... what ECD should do? take care of customers, accept a debate, improve and seriously test systems, speak about weaknesses and strengths of the method, work with players to get better results, in poor words, what was BTC when he was there... instead, looking for people that wants the golden nugget, he sells a product that's years-light far from what he promises and that's bad. many of us are here to help players to become successful or, at least to improve their knowledge, not to get scammed. A 5 1 Quote bacclover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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