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  1. It's nice to see an interesting View on something that is .. well.. Just right in front of us yet not all players recognize this as valuable data to take advantage of. Great Video, Thanks Keith and CanadaBacc
  2. I agree with Oz on conservative Bankroll equation. I personally have 50 to a hundred units as my backing bankroll and have no need to visit an ATM for my cash to go to the casino. Have a sound system along with large bankroll and discipline and proper money management is key to survival in a risky environment, .... The casino. CC
  3. Hi Ellis, as signing up a new member(s), I'm still waiting for a reply of a pm I sent you and Keith one week ago.... Regarding issues and question about MDB... Do you not want my money? Seriously, I'm trying to be nice here, Neither you or Keith have replied... Look forward to hearing from you. CC
  4. I've seen situation where flat betting. Believe or not ... Outperformed a progression as a prog digs deeper and on U1D2 can happen whereas U1D1 may be different and can all depend on what step of the progg you are at. Even a progg can lose when you have more wins than losses. It's the successive losses that bury you. CC
  5. C'mon... It's not nearly this difficult when using a rock solid system like 4D. Met betting is only required when you encounter successive a losses using other system where NOR has trouble. Like I said this was low -1. And high of +9 flat betting. Fantastic ratio CC
  6. From my information about niagara is they are pre-shuffled shoes and 4D would be +5 at hand 16 using 2hi betting, and if you flat bet for a target of +3, you'd be out at hand 14 If you had played longer, flat betting hit a +9 units at hand 72 and low of -1. If you used U1D2, +25 but I don't care about high numbers, I like +5 for million $ plan. CC
  7. Sorry to rain on your parade, but you are dead wrong. I don't mean this in a negative way of speaking, but you are not correct. I've offered plenty of hints and people need to really put on their thinking caps and allow their minds to be creative and perceive events differently than a logical view. I did say that 9 out of those 10 shoes played had won, but on the one that lost -3 units.... My head wasn't handed to me. That's the power of the 4D, it curve fits to the shoe an survives with minimal damage. Don't give up. CC
  8. Fatherfred is correct on a sentence in his statement, 4D actually identifies when to start, but not before hand 7. It "curve fits" the shoe with imbalance at tines and manages to balance out naturally to give you +5 or +6, and then you're out. For Those Flat bettors out there, your target is +3. Don't give up on the 4D, just look at it again. And again, and again... Hold your score card further away from your eyes and use your beautiful mind. If you haven't seen the movie yet, you should.... It will change your visionary insight to things. CC
  9. Quite the contrary, it's actually simpler than playing NOR, and casino speed is not an issue. And "no", I am not in any position to take on the responsible leadership of the 4D thread, my life is busy enough without it. I personally don't want the casinos to know what I am doing and once it's exposed completely of the forum, it could be game over. I believe all the members have been overwhelmed by all the numbers they see in front of them just as I was once before, but I managed to see past all that. Why is it more simple than NOR? .... Because... Here's a hint.... Not all columns are required to record and expose pre-shuffled card bias. This is one reason why casino speed is not an issue. I will not lay it out for the members, but yet those who are able to figure out are the smart cookies on the forum and they will understand why it should be kept a secret. The game will change yet again if exposed. I have a contact in Macau who has offered me $50K along with a confidentiality agreement for this knowledge and I have thought about but yet, not agreed to it as of yet. I can make far greater than that using it myself. You can never know 100% who you are dealing with thesis days! he could be working for the casino for all that anyone knows. Any fool would jump on it for $50K, but like I said... Potential "Game Over" once exposed. My best advice for all... Just think outside of the box, and experiment. If you choose to play with the theory of your own research, you are responsible for your own profits and losses. I know that Ellis understands this more than anyone here. CC
  10. Thank goodness Tom Hanks had His buddy to rely on.... W - I - L - S - O - N !!! CC
  11. Hey Ellis, for most of what you say, I agree, as for bias on per shuffled cards, there is no bias if took at it while wearing your NOR approach hat, hands down .. Uh uh... Go to jail, do not collect $200, etc,,,etc.. But on the sane shoe using 4D, it exposes the hidden bias that you don't see with NOR. And then... You can exploit it as I do. I've seen 4D when used properly, pull even as high as +39 units!!! on pre-shuffled shoes using a 2Hi bet system, but that's not where I leave, I'm long gone before that. I most often see shoes played out with 4D 2hi bet system do between +11 to +22 but before everyone gets excited, like NOR, you won't see it in every shoe... Just most often. I played 10 shoes yesterday with pre-shuffled cards and won all but one.... My ending score for the tough shoe was -3 units... Not too shabby +45 units for all shoes played, as result of winning +6 on 3 occasions instead of +5. And on one of the shoes, had I stayed longer... Would have produced 12 wins iar from the point that 4D tells you when to start playing. Instead, I was out in 3 hands for +5 target with 2hi bet system. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I TELL THE PITT BOSSES, I come back later the finish recording the balance of the shoe. Now.... Having said that.... If you looked at that shoe from a NOR perspective, there is no way in hell that you would pull off 12 wins iar.. NEVER! It sad to see that you abandoned the 4D method and recognized the power it has against pre-shuffled cards. I find it hard to believe that a man of your stature and knowledge would give up on the 4D system. It is extremely powerful. If we are able to meet in Macau in November, and you have not figured out the 4D method yet... In effort to save time, I can punch any shoe into my excel spreadsheet and prove it works and you can compare how NOR would do .... Without table selection. 4D exposes imbalanced bias in pre-shuffled cards. And I didn't need a hi IQ to see it. Keep up the great work Ellis. 4D lives on. CC
  12. Well said Gman7, his posting was entirely inaccurate as he claims that I said; I'm the best baccarat player in the world???? I never said that. Among other statements he claims that I am? They are totally untrue, He has no clue who I am and my intellectual level of baccarat play. Ii don't think he really takes time to clearly read the postings I made; to see the real message. I never targeted him directly in my later posting about having an axe to grind.... but yet he doesn't see that? I was actually ironing things out and restore unity between members on the forum. Some members actually acknowledged that. But obviously he didn't. All the claims he made against me are totally based on his own interpretation without facts, PERIOD. We are all entitled to freedom of speech, I get that. I'm sure there are plenty enough psychiatrists in USA. 4D lives on. CC
  13. Hey, nothing against tjfiles or anyone else.... BigVic.... I couldn't have said it any better... Keep up with the great postings 4D lives on, CC
  14. Give It up will ya? Whatever...... I'm a professional 4D BAC player and you want keep rambling on, I thought I put this to rest on my last posting but no, looks like you still have an axe to grind. My last post was not targeted at you on a negative way. Just facts, and if you are in able to handle them with maturity, I'm sorry, but I can't help you and no one on the forum will either. Like Sgt. Hulka said in the movie "Stripes".... "Lighten up Francis" CC
  15. Thanks moneybac, but it still looks as tho' RUEBEL still has an axe to grind with his prejudice remarks about the Canadian members of the forum. And... Just for the record... We Canadians "Do pay" for our medical but it is true that it is at a fractional cost of what most Americans pay. Our medical is paid via taxes and reasonable premiums paid by all. The only exception is that those who are on welfare are given a free ride. The quality of our medical is extremely good, but the downside is the wait time for certain treatments as a result of waiting lists. I have an American friend that pays over $1000/month for his medical coverage whereas my personal medical coverage in Canada is $64/month. A far cry from what he pays. I even have extended medical that costs me approx $100/month. As our regular medical coverage does not include all medical expenses. And RUEBEL wants to speak about credibility?, perhaps he should get his facts straight before opening his mouth with incorrect information. FACT: the Hoover dam was completed under budget and ahead of schedule as the result of being lead by a Canadian who was paid a $300,000 bonus at the time. I would bet that most Americans don't realize how often our two nations help each other out so often. We are great nations side by side together and I know that Americans are proud of their country and who they are, and I am too... Proud to be a Canadian and not even RUEBEL can take that away from me. 4D is only as complicated as you make it, actually it's very simple and I have plenty of time to write my card as per while in live-play. Please people, think outside of the box and you too can find a path to beating pre-shuffled cards. FACT: pre-shuffled cards do have a bias, the difference is that it is of a shorter duration than what you see with regular cards. For most, it looks as tho there is no bias at all, but 4D will prove that wrong because 4D exposes the bias whereas NOR won't. I use the 4D method day-in day-out, and accumulate 5 or 6 units on a regular basis. I have also tested so many shoes from the forum that members have trouble with and 4D beats them all. aLL! Pre-shuffled shoes are different, but are manageable and I plan to play my method on my trip to Macau in November with confidence. 4D Lives on. CC
  16. Frontal is right, it's starring you all in front of your faces if you just open up your mind to the 4D. You all have the tools and education of the 4D to enable you to pull +5 units on most every shoe you will ever play. The 4D does not require table selection and works excellent with Pre-shuffled shoes. It makes NOR a thing of the past. In fact I played to day fora +5 target and managed to get +6 on a 2 Hi bet system in less than 40 minutes of play. My shortest time played using the 4D to get +5 is under 7 minutes flat. I'm a hit n run player and that's the best way to play. You all have the right tools.. NOR & 4D, they go hand in hand. Just look at it from a different angle and you will see what I'm talking about. I am trying to help others and perhaps I have been outspoken at time because I have the balls to do so. So what if I say a few things here or there, but it's all truthful for IMHO, i felt Keith had jumped the gun and felt that I needed to point out how some members don't see things the same way as he does. If the answer is a fee to help offset ongoing costs, so be it, I understand the forum needs financial maintenance and perhaps if Keith and / or Ellis followed their own plan and practice what they preach, BigVic was right... Put your system where your mouth is and show us the money. Keith and Ellis could be celebrities and have late nite infomercials just like Tom Vu with bikini clad ladies and fancy limos and sports cars too boot. Think of the revenue that can be generated? ... The casinos will be scared... But I do realize all this could stir Ellis heart up and he really does prefer and enjoy teaching to the fullest... Glad to see that they kissed and made up. Looks like Fido still has a place to sleep at night. Now let's just move on and point Ellis and Keith's business plan in a positive direction. 4D LIVES ON.... CC
  17. Would you really want me to post your pm's about how badly you play and how you have asked me for help over the past few months trbfla??? Ya... I think you fall in the category of a member with more money than brains and join your friend Ruebel and gman7 now there's a real winner who doesn't have a clue as to what he is talking about. We all paid for what's inclusive to the NOR content... A lifetime membership and yet you guys just brush it off like it was nothing. You guys are so weak. Pitiful followers who need help. What I said was all FACTs but you can't handle the truth, that's why you are responding in such a manner as above. BTW, thank you to all those members with their supportive comment in my pm box over the past 48 hrs. Especially about the member who purchased Twister and got burnt badly. CC
  18. Hey Quiz... I agree that the attendees at the 4D seminar didn't get a fair shake as per what happened there, thank goodness I I cancelled in time as I saved myself money and grief. As for a membership fee, I know at least 6 members who are not prepared to stay if this were to happen, one of them is a recent NOR member and there is another very smart cookie that will be missed from the forum. As for me, I found a way to beat pre -shuffled cards so it's not a biggie for me who was granted lifetime membership.... By Mr. Davis himself. But Keith has just posted his excuses about this and has told us he is "done". See his posting from yesterday addressed to Ellis. I thought Vegas was a place for marriages to flourish, but I see a "Smith" vs. "Davis" divorce in the making. Has Mr. Smith opened his mouth once again too soon before the brain did the thinking? Perhaps.... But this couple needs each other. Perhaps some counselling is in order or shall we let the children (members) take sides? The members are the children of the divorcing couple and Fido too. Who gets what? C'mon Keith.... Lighten up will ya? The kitchen might not be the best place for you as you don't seem to take the heat that well. Ellis is the master chef here along with a few ingredients thrown in by the children. It sounds like NOR may not be on the menu much longer as like buddy holly songs won't play in American Pie, so there goes dessert as well. It sounds as tho a minced version of NOR may be in the mix to be the next "winner winner, chicken dinner" to get +5 units. The item that is so difficult to make has vanished the menu?... "4D" with all it's 4 secret ingredients of selected herbs and spices. Yet if only the chef could serve this well... It would be worth a price greater than Steak & lobster. As for the drinks, there is scotch for those who need and can't for get about whine that comes along with hiccups that happen along the way. BTW.... That will be an extra charge please, along with a new monthly excise tax. After your meal is completed, you are ready to go back to the casino.... Not to worry if you lose... BTC will be open 24/7 to serve up another special recipe to fill your appetite as long as you are a paying customer. While there are other establishments out there that are under new management with new and different menus. If you feel that you have not received proper service at BTC, there's always a safety net.... "ObamaCare" Bon appetite' CC
  19. You know what BigVic? That the best thing I've seen you post all day! I sent Keith a referral via pm perhaps that may help? But hey, if they both proved that the million $ plan will work.... They can endorse it completely, otherwise it's just a hypothetical formula that has not been proven yet. Remember Jerry McGuire? "Show me the money!" Honestly.... It wasn't me who peed in Keith's Corn Flakes... Heck I don't even live close to him. CC
  20. Sure.... My win rate on back testing of shoes is 94% and my current live play win rate is 100% Sorry, I have not bothered to calculate a PA%, I did not considerate it due to high success rate of shoes tested and played live. That beats the heck out of 82%.... What would you do? 4D lives on... If Ellis only knew.... As for Keith... He's still working on some natural 8 & 9 theory.... Pffft! I'm not saying I don't like Keith or anything, I'm just don't agree with what ever he blurts out of his mouth without really thinking things out well before endorsing anything. The guy should be smarter than this. CC
  21. SAVE YOUR MONEY, YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION ALREADY, WHY PAY MORE? You don't need too. CC
  22. To answer your question, I have had a great deal of success with NOR yet I am no longer playing the method. My win shoe rate when I last played NOR was 82% for a +5 unit or greater walk-away target not Ellis's claim to fame 20+ units. NOR works very well but 4D when played my latest method is even higher. I AM NOT DISCLOSING MY LATEST METHOD SO PLEASE DONT WASTE TIME ON POSTING THE QUESTION...THANKS CC
  23. Excuuuuuuuuzzzze MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! $10/month forum fee? Gee Keith, you may want to consider shutting the forum down very very soon if you even think that this would work... GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE! This is worse than your natural 8 & 9 analysis crap recently posted. You better be thinking twice before you decide to charge for the forum, WHY? 1) Ellis's will run out of ideas resulting that you will lose valuable contributing members not interested to pay...... Where do think Ellis gets his ideas from? It's not all Ellis..... FACT: Ellis was holding out for our poor friend Oz back in January for the perfect 100 shoe win. FIASCO! FACT: Ellis gets his ideas from members like myself and then markets them to collect $$$$ and takes credit as his own..... CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? FACT: Ellis's 4D omarketing campaign and knowledge turned out to be a "FLOP". .... See attendees comments in previous postings. HECK, I know the 4D system in far greater detail of understanding than Ellis does.... But hey, some people (members of forum) are followers and yet some are leaders or designers. I think you all know where you fit in. As for me, I'm an innovated thinker designer of systems. FACT: Ellis and Keith's credibility was lost in the marketing of the 4D and video seminar.... Why should anyone in their right mind consider to pay forward at such recent reputation failure?...... .."............... Maybe some people have more money than brains....? If you don't know who you are..... Others will when they see your face as an attendee at the upcoming seminar video for others willing to waste money on yet another seminar video... But wait! Keith has claimed that he intends to make a "Training Video" to save face... So to speak. You are saved! Lol. My mistake! FACT: "ALL NOR PAID MEMBERS ARE GRANTED COMPLETE ACCESS TO PRIVATE FORUM CONTENT AS PER $600 ONE TIME FEE......PERIOD". FACT: ...... I'm sorry to have bring this up again, but hey, Keith just opened up the opportunity again....... In 2006 Ellis granted me an "Honorary Lifetime Membership to all Private content of BTC" as I was a system tester with real money on behalf of Ellis's current system development at the time...... Yet..... After 2 years, I came back to the forum and found that he had designed the NOR System... Of which I had (not knowingly at the time) "Grandfathered status" to get it for no cost, Including; "Honorary lifetime access to private forum"..... ELLIS STILL MADE ME FORK OVER $600 for NOR. In hindsight... A mistake of injustice as been made. This not first time I have spoken openly about this... Yet Ellis has never responded to this or offered me a refund. FACT: Ellis's so called invention of OTB4L came from me in spring 2006., yes you read that right.... "CC GAVE ELLIS THE RECOGNIZED VISUAL GRASP OF OTB4L OBSERVATION IN SPRING 2006". Ellis repeated back me over the phone... 3 X's. The words "opposite time before last" after I told him about what I saw and how I was playing to achieve an edge over the casino at Baccarat. Did I ever get credit for that? "NO" Did I ever receive any form of royalty for OTB4L? "NO" DO YOU YOU EVER THINK THAT ANY OTHER MEMBER THAT ELLIS USES THEIR IDEA FOR HIM TO MAKE MONEY ON... WOULD EVER GET A PEICE OF THE PIE OF ANY REVENUE FROM THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS? "NO" .... THIS IS WHY I HAVE RECENTLY KEPT MY CLOSEST SECRETS TO MYSELF IF ELLIS KNEW WHAT HAVE NOW.... "He would pee his pants at a moments notice as it is the perfect ingredient for the MILLION DOLLAR PLAN +5 unit system" I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE. MY LIPS ARE SEALED. FACT: players and "contributing members" on this forum are considered and respected as good to great baccarat players of the world. I didn't say all members, I said contributing, yet I as a contributing member and others feel used. NOW.... IF THERE ARE TO BE CHANGES IN THE MANAGING OF FEES AND ACCESS OF THE FORUM.... BE WARNED, BE VERY WARNED... LOSS OF REPUTATION, LOSS OF REVENUE FOR SYSTEMS SOLD CURRENTLY, LOSS OF MEMBERS, AND....... POTENTIAL LAWSUIT BY CURRENT MEMBERS AND OTHERS TO FOLLOW. YOU MAY NOT BE AS SMART AS ELLIS, BUT PERHAPS YOU SHOULD HOPE FOR A NATURAL TO SHOW UP TO SAVE YOUR BACON. DONT MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE OF INJUSTICE. CC .
  24. Sorry guys I can't say that I agree, I've studied this to great extent 10 years ago.... HOGG WASH!! But hey?, if you want to waste time on it, be my guest, I have better things to study than this. CC
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