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In the last 10 years,I have sent thousands on Bac methods. What I have learned for my money is that all methods have a weakness. That is why I am hear on BTC, because it is the only place that has said figure out the method first and gives me three methods to chose from. I have not played the ultimate method but I am sure it is like all the rest, when you hit it weakness you will loss more than you have won.

Thanks I think you hit my problem right on the head. I have been playing at a casino with only one table. Going to need to go to the Philly or AC casinos where there are more tables. Does anyone know the casino bias for any of the casinos in those areas? Thanks Bob

Today I was reading posts that suggest different progressions. U1D2 2-2-1 12358 Would the bankroll requirement still be the same? Would the stop loss and win goals remain the same? Thanks Bob

I have spent the last two weeks reading the forum and making the update to the basic NOR manual that I have found. I started playing live last week, playing 20 games over the last ten days. In my testing of old shoes I had, I had a 4 winning shoe out of 5. But playing live I have been only been able to win 11 out of the 20 played. Reviewing the shoes played I noticed that many of the shoe I had picked the wrong system for the shoe. (most starting betting after the 3rd event) Is this too early to get into a shoe for someone new at NOR? I understand that modes change during a game; mode2 if OR is - mode 3 if OR is + What would be a signal to change systems? In picking systems to play I have been using the following signals. 1s & 2s in the first 3 events S40 2s & 3s OTB4L 1s, 2s & 3s S40 Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Bob

EVENTS determine system! High 1's = S40 But High 1's together with high ST runs and low 2s = S40M1 High 2s = OTB4L - We like to also see high 3s and single 1's with it which we usually do. Low 2s = S40M1 Low 1s and 2s = TB4L Strong Side=F At the beginning of this thread I found this info. In it I find no mention of what system to use on shoes high in 1s and 2s. Are those shoes the type to be avoided? Thanks Bob

Being new to Nor. I had read the manual and never real understood the F method. I see that you have stayed to one side for your betting. I understood the manual to say bet follow the shoe. But it also said play the SS. When do we know to do which one? Thanks Bob On my way to track shoes at Parx this afternoon.

Thanks Ellis. I had read somewhere that we should avoid changing methods during a shoe. What in the OR count would indicate that a change should be made?

Yep, had been public since 2010 checked in maybe twice a year. Choose to go with Benson, opps there went a couple grand. Just bought NOR and received access to the rest of the forum. All my testing so far has given results way above my expectations. Hoping to make the seminar next Saturday. Just make sure I am doing this right, then I will begin play with real money. Bob

Spent yesterday running 10 real shoes I had cards for. The 10 shoes went like this. shoe method played 1) loss -6 OTB4L (this is the shoe that I started the thread with) 2) loss -8 S40 3) win +10 OTB4L 4) win +10 OTB4L 5) win +11 S40 6) win +9 F 7) win +6 F 8) win +9 S40 9) win +10 F 10)win+9 S40 Is this what would be expected. I have always won 6 out of 10 before for +15 to +20 for the 10 shoes. If this is a normal win on 10 shoes. NOR really is the best method in the world. Thanks Ellis Bob

lost 7 mode 2 playing base NOR

I have spent the last two days reading and playing Norm's shoes and some of my old shoes also. Thought I had everything down pat, then I ran into this shoe I Had played at Harrah's a couple years ago. I have been picking my method when I see a 3 indicating that method. IE: +3 for S40, -3 for F and crossing over o three times before one of the other two have reached 3. Here is the shoe. B2112444161111 Hope I did that right. Anyway, on play 7 the shoe had crossed 0 for the third time, so I picked OTB4L to play. It is every apparent that the Worm had turned as soon as I jumped in. My questions are: Did I jump in to soon? Is there something I should be watching to know when to switch during the shoe? Thanks for any help Bob

Hello, Does the full price seminar come with the NOR book and membership?