Ellis, Wow thanks so much for the fantastic explanation you actually answered a lot of other questions I had as well. I really think I’m starting to get this. I was a little fuzzy on how the bet progression works, but I think I understand it now. Please correct me if I’m wrong. For betting progression, if I’m on 123, I start at 1 and if I win I go to 2 and if I lose 2 I go back to 1 and if I make a 3 bet, win or lose I go back to 1? Is that the same for all 123, 1234, 234, 345? I know this isn’t recommended but if I start a shoe without knowing any information on it I should bet... 011 or 111 or 112 something along those lines to let the shoe tell me which system and mode to use. But, if I did my work and studied the tote boards and the previous table shoes and I can see maybe the last 20 plays, I should know if it’s a good table and what system and mode to use. In that case my betting would be like this... 1234 for mode 2 123 for mode 3 And if I’m doing well the shoe should keep me in mode 3 so I would increase my betting to: 234 And if still doing great 345 Am I correct in thinking that I would never be in mode 2 and betting 234 or 345? If I got my betting up to 234 or 345 and mode 3 changed to mode 2 would I go back to 123 4 or would I just assume that the shoe is changing and just walk away? Also if I’m betting 123 or 1234 my stop loss is absolutely not worse than -8 and my profit taking no better than +10. At 234 I up my take profit to +20 and my stop loss should be moved somewhere in profit. And at 345 I up my t/p to +30 and raise my s/l again to lock in more profit and not give most of my winnings back. Sorry for all the question all at once but I’m just really excited about learning this. These forums have been great. I just have 1 last question: I have studied all 3 systems and I think I have them down pretty good. My only problem is the ZZ OTR bet in OTB4L. I do understand how and when to use it according to which mode I’m in, but is there an easy way to keep track of the ZZ mode? For the repeat OTR bets I use the SAP count Is there a trick to keeping track of the ZZ count or do you just look up the card to figure out which ZZ mode you are in? Thanks a million for all your help This should tide me over for a while. I’ll try not to bug you too much. Robert,