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  1. What happens when there is no more Ellis?

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Hi,

    I do agree to what you mentioned.

    Forum is for members to interact, most importantly learn something from each other so to improve our game.

    NOR itself created much confusion about what to use, most of the member do realized that they use the wrong system only after the game.

    Baccarat outcome changes all the time and no one are able to predict what is next to come.

    Keep on creating system after system is of no use. Its only for marketing , for those who are loss , its another hope when a new system being created.

    No matter what system you use , there is only Banker and Player, Win or loss.

    Most importantly in this game is to use only 1 set of system and be persistent to it. If your system came out most of the time you win , if it does not then you will lose. Accept that you lose and come back the next day.

    People here need encouragement, motivation so to win more and lose less, accept losses , cut lose and leave.

    Remembering those days when we only have s40 single weapon, the game seems so simple and easy to win .

    Then people start to lose a few round they get worried and discourage, as you must remember you cant be winning all the time right ?

    Then people tend to shift to other system. Good time for system sellers to sell some new method.

    There is no Holy Grail for Baccarat. Be consistent and persistent with your methods and your rules for money management , others really depend on God.

    I have to say this because I played in the casino consistently for a few months ,daily . I am just sharing my thoughts.

  2. New Way to Play Baccarat

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    We have this stadium gaming at least 4 years ago. Nothing new to us playing in Malaysia Casino.

    This is when casino decided to cut cost on dealer and also at that time they have difficulties in finding good dealers.

    Its the same as table game buit every minute they will start a new game.

    They run 2 shoes at the same time, once they finished dealing one side they start dealing the other side. You will expect 1 min per game.

    If you want to do more thinking on your bet selection you wont have enough time.

  5. Nor Boot Camp -- Back to Basics....

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

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    Hi guys,

    NOR works but not all the time. The shoe changes all the time , if one adopt the right method then he will win .

    One have to remember , in order to win, one must set a take win and cut loss point. Without setting this target then you will get loss.

    For example if you are playing S40 -O and you loss 5 units with flat bet, it tells you what ?

    Very obvious it is telling you that you are using the wrong method.

    I also see a lot of people changes from O to N and then to F bla bla bla........... then ended up losing more....... Please!!!!

    Remember this!! If your system fails it means its failed never try to shift to other things....... stand up and walk away ......

    People in this forum still posting result of shoes and ask what method to be used ..... damn .... !!!

    If I already knew the result i will tell you what to use correctly with majority wins..... right ? so........ get the big picture.

    All the methods here in this forum works and it is not always all the time.

    Cut loss when you lose and take win when you win ....... Be clever....... again dont ask what system to use with a played shoes.

    Good Luck and Happy winning.

    Regards,

    Vincent

  6. How much do people actually earn

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Actually there are millions of outcome in a baccarat shoe, BTC here provide you with a way to play them but not necessary guarantee you a sure win method. It still depend on how you manage you money and how you select your bet.

    Don't ever indulge in all the methods, my advise is master a method only. Practice regularly on it.

    I used only 1 method, and per shoe I win at least 3-18 units if my table selection is right. I will lose 2 units if my table selection is wrong.

    Bear in mind, be steady and never rush into a shoe when you thought you saw a nice one.

    Happy Playing.

  8. 4d Upcoming seminar and video

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    About the Video what areas they cover in 4D ? Maybe you could give us the Table of contents so that we would know that we are buying something that are worth buying. I purchase the NOR video few years back which has poor quality and hardly listen to Ellis speaks but I spend a few hundred on it and it also just cover what has been teach about NOR. In addition , later the video was posted in youtube.

    Hope that you understand my concern , Thanks.

  13. SYSTEM 40 MANDATORY 1 seems to be doing OK } ECD GROUP | November 3, 2013

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

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    Well you would likely already know that you are at a streaky table.

    But your S40M1 signals are a strong minus OR count with no 2s showing.

    For instance a shoe starting with 1 3 4 or 3,5. Remember we LIKE 1's. We like EVERYTHING except 2s.

    20 plays is too long to wait. You could easily end up watching the best part of the shoe go by.

    Hi Ellis,

    Thanks for the reply .

    I have a few question on Net betting using 4D.

    Say one of the 4D i.e O/T is 4 , if low side net betting do we place 1 chip on player and 1 chip on banker to start off the net bet ?

    or since we have more O and we start to bet on T to come by just betting on T ?

    To me if you say 4+ we start lo side net betting , I am confuse about placing 1 chip on both side to start the netbetting, isnt it same to the other D as well whenever the result came out to be.

    I would appreciate if you could explain more on low side net betting.

    Thanks

    Regards,

    Vincent

  14. SYSTEM 40 MANDATORY 1 seems to be doing OK } ECD GROUP | November 3, 2013

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

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    Vincent, I'm quite certain the cards don't know what country they are in. Every shoe ever dealt is low in something, either 1's, 2s, 3s, or 4+s. That is a given.

    S40M1 prefers shoes low in 2s. Normal 2s are 9 per shoe - about 2 per col. But you can have as few as zero. Low 2s will occur in nearly half of all shoes. Look at it this way: 2's are either high or low or dead even. It is pretty much 50/50.

    All 3 NOR systems like 2s:

    S40 likes 2s

    OTB4L loves 2s

    F3 likes 2s

    At first glance NOR doesn't seem to have a system that beats the half of shoes low in 2s.

    But NOR, in fact, does. S40M1 LOVES low 2s.

    The problem that occurs is that as soon as I draw your attention to a specific NOR selection, Students start trying to play it exclusively rather than only in the shoe type that likes that selection. When I tried to introduce OTB4LM1, I FIRST said this is ONLY for low 3s and high 4+s - also about 50% of all shoes. But I no sooner introduced it than students were trying to play it exclusively W/O first noting the shoe type at hand. So I stopped teaching it because I was doing more harm than good. I asked one member who had posted a shoe he had lost why in the world was he playing OTB4LM1. Answer; "Because I always play OTB4LM1".

    Look, NOR is about matching the right system and the right mode to the shoe at hand. I said at the beginning: "The most important factor of NOR is to know what each system likes and what it dislikes and I've posted the likes and dislikes of each system many times.

    vinfong, you said "Mixed shoes, ding dong, then OTb and streak ....... or the other way round you name it......"

    You've just described Baccarat everywhere.

    But, nevertheless, EVERY shoe ever dealt is high in something(s) and equally low in something(s). That is not an opinion. It is a pure mathematical FACT.

    And that is what decides which system and which mode we play.

    Shoes don't catch up. Usually whatever is low stays low and whatever is high stays high. IF shoes caught up, EVERYBODY would beat Baccarat. We would simply bet on whatever is behind. There are such systems on the internet. Those systems are largely responsible for the impossibly high casino Baccarat profits. Casinos MARVEL at the stupidity of players. I marvel at the stupidity of system designers. Most don't have a clue. All players need to do, as every casino knows full well, is to bet the exact opposite - that whatever is behind will go further behind and whatever is ahead will go further ahead.

    OK here we go again:

    Mode 2 is our streak mode

    Mode 3 is our chop mode

    Mode 1 is a super streak mode

    BTW, the best thing to do with super chop is simply bet straight opposites.

    S40 likes high 1's and low 3+s (2s are good)

    OTB4L likes high 2s and low 4+s (3s are good)

    F particularly likes Strong side and long straight and/or ZZ runs

    F2 hates 2s on the weak side

    F3 hates 3s on the weak side.

    Now, note that there is no system there for low 2s except F2 but F2 does not like runs on both sides. That puts a big hole in our armor.

    What do we do when we see runs on both sides with low 2s? Well I'll tell you. We LOSE.

    Therefore, I'm giving you a system that likes EVERYTHING except 2s - S40M1.

    It loves ZZs - wins every bet

    It loves 1's, 3s 4s 5s and straight or ZZ runs of any length.

    It hates one thing and one thing only - 2s. It LOVES EVERYTHING else.

    And half of all shoes has low 2's but particularly streaky shoes. (It is pretty hard to have a choppy shoe low in 2s)

    NOW you have a very high scoring way to play this common shoe type that here-to-fore we usually lost.

    When you think about it, any time you can turn a losing shoe into a high winner, you do WONDERS for your bottom line.

    But can you play it in every shoe? Watch my lips! There is NO system you can play every shoe and win at Baccarat. NONE!

    That is the WHOLE point of NOR and why it is composed of multiple systems.

    Half of all shoes has low 2s, so I'm giving you the best system for low 2s... S40M1.

    Thanks Ellis for the explanation.

    One crucial question is when do we deploy using s40m1 ? after 20 hands played or at the begining of the shoe?

    regards,

    Vincent

  17. WEBINAR for DUMMIES

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Well we ended up with 22 as of last night and maybe we'll get a couple more this morning so I'm extremely pleased with that.

    Also glad Keith made it here in excellent shape considering a 17 hour drive. Had he flown he might not have made it because the flights got all screwed up yesterday what with storms in the NE and shootings at LAX.

    We got everyone registered last night. Does everyone know how to log in to the event? If not, I'll put the instructions on this thread.

    I didn't realize I can't use my blackiboard the way this Webinar works so for the new game start explanation Keith will draw and I will explain.

    For the S40 Mode 1 explanation, I have a played game prepared and I'll do a play by play.

    I'll probably be a little rough around the edges at the start but I'm sure I'll get used to the new technology and its tools as we go.

    My computer virtually crashed a few days ago when I downloaded the latest version of Adobe Reader. Got inundated with pop ups. Was going to bring it into my local computer shop but Keith said he'd fix it when he got here. I was very sleptical but he fixed it in two minutes. He also fixed the reason I couldn't upload games onto the threads. It wasn't just me after all. And He also installed a couple neat programs so that I can not only post games but add notes and stuff after posting. This will greatly help me with play by plays and game explanations as I get used to the vast list of tools in these new programs. That guy is a real computer whiz. So his visit here to the Ozarks has already been a great help to the forum. Now if I can just get this Webinar stuff down pat...

    Hi Ellis,

    This is the first time for me to attend the webinar. Appreciate if you could upload the basic instructions on how to start up. Thanks

    Regards,

    Vincent

  18. From Malaysia. Question bout NOR

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Hi Stanley ,

    NOR can beat most of the shoe it is the matter of how you look at it.

    Whether B6 or not I usually dont care at all, I consider a 1 unit win also .

    The most important thing is what to apply during game play .

    Never play online casino from local bookie site like ibc etc.... most of it you cant win.

    If you want to consider live casino , consider those from larger sites like Williamhill etc....

    some of the smaller genuine sites band me from playing baccarat after numerous win , dont waste time on those site too.

    Do you play at Casino de Genting?

  20. What is the best method in winning baccarat?

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Baccarat is not an easy game although it seems easy 50:50 chance of winning.

    We learn NOR because we don't want to depend on luck to help us win.

    I start out playing each shoe with PVB 123456 along the way I use 112 prog. Especially at the beginning if i see streak with a win of 6 units I will quit.

    If the shoe shows no sign of bias I will continue betting 1 unit.

    Until there are bias say 2 and 3 mc I will increase my chip amount for the rest of the shoe.

    Say I was betting 1 chip =50 dollar

    Until I see bias I would bet 1 chip = 100 , after covering previous losses I would take win at 3 units (300)

    Reminder : your cut loss point fixed at 8 units either amount.

    Don't be greedy.... Preserve your bankroll take win more often .

    Take a break every shoe and play agin when I feel the most relax..

    Remember if you start to lose quit immediately ..... Haha when 9 beat your player 8 or you can't even beat a 0 .

    Something telling you it's not the time.

  22. Interest in getting nor

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted · Edited by Ellis

    I do appreciate the skills that I have learned from Ellis. NOR does work as long as you know how and which method to apply. I use to lose in baccarat but now with careful application of NOR and also PvB and OvR ... I never lose to the casino. It is not how much you can win. That is just a function of unit size. It is how often you win. I've been winning more than losing and that is the object.

    I am considering going full time in 2 weeks, as soon as I make arrangements for long term lodging. I want to be a pro baccarat player thru NOR.

  23. What is the best method in winning baccarat?

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Yes, NOR works and when it does not work we see nightmare....... But Ellis you told us quit after 8 units losses , if I flat bet does it mean I have to quit after 3 unit losses?

    Using OR count and monitoring the direction does it help us to decide whether to bet on 1st liner or 2nd liner?

    I met a bias shoe and won about 10 units flat betting because the OR count is positive and I bet straightly on 1st liner.... it appears to have only 2 - 2's only through out the process...

    NOR is easy to use but I always forget about the cut loss or when is the best time to cut loss? Especially the mode changes.........from mode 3 to mode 2 vise versa......

    Please advise thanks.

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