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i have been gone for awhile and almost forgot the existence of this forum cause there are nothing left for me to learn and i was kindda forgot about it. i have beaten the casino every day using my own system(based on NOR). now im hoping to challenge the best NOR players, even if Ellis, the creator NOR to test out between systems. (just for studying purpose only)

thanks Ellis, im still alive

so.............. who has master the NOR? please raise there hand

yess, i won a million dollar lolllllllllllll

place the bet by modes or by systems??

what the heck?? lol, now i got accused of selling Ellis' system?? i had disappeared from BF and BTC and didn't put up any posts for a long time. now am a suspect of doing so lol.

you profited 23 units up with 149 units wagered??, may i ask what was your progression?? cause it sounds pretty dangerous to me. cause if you using OTB4L and you have to wger 149 units to only gain 23+. i dont really think OTB4L was the good system for that shoe. you need to have a second thought about that. causes it's too obviouse because you said you have to wager 149 units if you really pick the right system. it wouldn't let you go through that risk and earn only 23+

TRue or False? you can really know after a number of your winning hands the system will change before they occured and you can switch it right on time??

Hey forum and Ellis, thanks for an appreciation for my system and a visit from everyone. and all questions relating to it will stop right here. from now on let's all stick with NOR. i guess i just got lucky beaten the shoes every single days when using it and there are no such systems. and hey, for players who PM me and offensing my system. they dont need to be angry and call me a liar, i just got lucky everyday that's all.

if you looking a that play #9 you will see, the OR count has a -4 on that. and base on the NOR system and system selection. whenever you hit the high negative number aren't you gonna go with F systems??. and at hand #15 im looking at the SAP count and base on the NOR again. aren't you have to still pick on F system to go again?? and on the NOR system everytime when we have a high 1 and 2 SAP count we'll switch it to S40 and high 2 and 3 will be OTB4L . eventho this shoe has a low 1and 2 it still a S40 because a 3 hasn't come up yet. so you have to keep OTB4L for your best option. For not causing any confusion. i started to play at hand 15 after i've elimination the F2-3 and S40

yes it's S40 because and at hand 15 3s hasn't come out yet, even though 1s and 2s are weak side but you can count it as S40 and eliminate it. and you already eliminate F system because at play 9 you had a -4.

http://postimage.org/image/qzlcz4s6j/ Copy and pasted this to your browser and zoom it in to see better. in that shoe, i only play 40 hands. but this is the full shoe of it. B26511311 P12211231232 B1511121422 P1142

well, i already post a live game sample from baccplay below. if you guys con notice it. the hand 9 on the OR count, the count is -4 and at the hand 15 3 is the culprit and the shoe i still favor F2-3. there is no 3 in a row coming out and weak 1s and 2s. i bet that for all of you, when you guys have ever seen waited for 15 hands and see that kind of shoe. you guys will go ahead and pick F3. but if you really did and play a repeat at play 16 aren't you gonna get 4 lossing bets a row to play 19?? does fear gonna get into you when you begin the shoe in less than 5 minutes and having 4 loosing bets in a row. that hurts. and if im not mistaking, will you guys going to switch the F3 system into S40 mode 2 or the right OTB4L at play 30?? if you really picked S40 then again you had hit 3 lossing bets in a row, if you really pick OTB4L yes you can get away with it for AWHILE because the shoe will change to S40 at play 41 and imagine if you are playing 234 progression like i did on that shoe and you picking F3 and S40 to go with then at play 33 you will end up -21 units. How can i eliminate the bad system so accurate?? because im looking at the OR and the SAP count to determine what to eliminate. The purpose is if something already happened it'll not be happened again. if can realize that i was using the original OTB4L and S40 in this shoe because i only giving a little ideas how i did it but not giving the complete system.This is only to give the picture in your mind so i havn't even used my own iS40 and iOTB4L yet. One thing i have keept secret from you guys that i have discovered the amazing relationship between ELimination and SAP. Ellis has created the Devil(SAP). i had never realized that if i put SAP and Elimination together, SAP will unlock it's potential and it can do more than anyone could imagine. not even i can accurately use the right mode, but i can accuratly use the SAP to change the right system before it's even happened. i know this is very vague because i not specificly showing you guys how i really Eliminate it, Filtering it, Finding the Mode, and when to stop, to start, or to continue the system accurately before it's even happened with SAP. let's say it's a little magic trick inside my sleeves, it'll not be fun to reavel it all. but do not try this method yet, if none of you has learned the complete Elimination. http://postimage.org/image/qzlcz4s6j/ i guess you guys should copy and paste it to the browser.

ofcourse sometimes NOR doesn't work because you know why??. you are using system selection. what NOR does is finding 1 good system. let me tell you this. If you finding 1 good system out of 3 systems your percentage of selecting the correct one is only 33%, and if you are finding 2 good systems out of 3 systems your percentage of picking the right one is only 50% and if you are finding 3 good systems out of 3 systems you percentage will drop back to 33%. then everytime when you start to play using NOR, do you always profiting from it?? but for Elimination if you can eliminate 1 bad system your percentage of picking the other 2 good systems is 50% and if you can eliminate 2 bad systems then you percentage of picking the right system is 100% accurate did i made myself clear to you that system selection will never go over 50%? so why bother finding the good ones when you dont profiting from it??

Hey PapaJoe, dont take it literally. it just ran out of my mouth without thinking. but PapaJoe, Ellis has beaten the game for 30 years with his NOR, but for 30 years, has anyone ever attempted and succesfully evolved the NOR system into a newer different level?? or is just that everyone is thinking inside the box and feel threatened to see something new?? or is just that some of them did have the ideas about the Elimination but they never succesfully developed it. Why?? because they are still keeping the old fashion, they still using the original S40 and OTB4L for their Elimination, does that really work??, difinately not. because one is a good (+) and the other one is a bad (-) if they do that in the casino, it'll be a negative result because why?? a positive multiply a negative will be a nagative answer and that's not we want

PapaJoe, if you can do multiplication, you would understand what i said. My point is, the reason why NOR is effective because it has the compatible systems. the original S40 and OTB4L is compatible with NOR that's why it works great for the Pro. on the other hand, if i try to use the original S40 and OTB4L for me Elimination system, it will not work out because the original S40 and OTB4L is looking for a good system and Elimination is looking for bad systems so if i put the old S40 and OTB4L and Elimination together the result will be a 0. and i know what you want a the specific example of how to eliminate. If for permission, i will post the shoe that baccplay gave me the other day. i will show you how i use and how i change the system accurately without loosing any units and still profiting till the end of the shoe.

PapaJoe, to answer your question, yes i have to let the number of plays to pass by to know what to eliminate. Usually what i always see is that players are waited to 20hands so i would just give you an idea of 20 hands (but Elimination doesn't need that much). first of all, in order for me to creat this powerful system that is purposely opposite from NOR, i have to change S40 and OTB4L to make it compatible with the system. I called it iS40 and iOTB4L for easier distinguishing and you guys dont get confuse. Why am i doing this??, For example i will use (+) and (-) for you guys to understand easier. if NOR looking for good system it is (+) and my Elimination looking for bad systems it is (-) Example: S40,OTB4L (positive) (multiply) NOR (positive)= Positive *The result is positive because Elis has a compatible systems' rules for NOR iS40, iOTB4L (negative) (multiply) NOR (positive)= negative *The result is negative because my iS40 and iOTB4L does not compatible with NOR iS40 iOTB4L (negative) (multiply) Elimination (negative)= positive *Because a negative times a negative will becomes a positive result. The thing is, if i want to do something different from NOR and creat my Elimination system i have to change tha other system also to make it compatible

Yes Ellis, but to me, the most important part of being a good player is having a strong confident when you walking in the casino. Players will easily lost their confident when they begin the shoe with negative profits. imagine when they are taking a seat and begin to play with 2 loosing bets, how does that make them feel? are they gonna get shivering and started to get fear?? where are those confidents go??. The Purpose of NOR is that you have to lost to an even in order to win the other event. another way of saying this is like an exchange, you give the casino your money then you will get back you money with profits. For many NOR pro, they can mange it easily and can gain it back, but for many others if they gave their money to the casino will they get it back with profits?? so to me, NOR has no confident. i dont plan on walking into the casino to first give up my units and then get it back, because im not sure that if i gave it up and i can get any back. HEY! TODAY IM GONNA GO TO THE CASINO, I'LL GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF MY MONEY THEN I WILL GET IT BACK WITH FULL BAG Of MONEY!!. Common!!! aren't that be too idealism for non-pro NOR players?? does anyone think that the casino will give it back to them?? That's why i created the Elimination. i just want first of all, get the profits from the beginning and if i have to give it back then it'll not be my own pocker money(i still have confident because i havn't lost my own single penny) but sadly for the casino that players have to win on something to know what will be the next winning system and are guarantee profits immediately when they start the shoe untill the end.

wow CORE!! i cannot believe my eyes, 10/28/2011-11/30/2011 only 1 month and you mastered NOR with an enormous profits?? how come i couldn't do that.

Yes Elliss, im posting this up especially for people who have problems with NOR can think outside the box. i want to tell them that out there, there is a system that also as powerful as NOR. And they can learn it much easier. My system is totally opposite from NOR, because what NOR does is finding 1 good system to go with and my system is finding 2 worse systems to avoid for the shoe and i dont need to find any good systems at all because i already know what will be the good sytem in my head after i have eliminated it. For people who are good at NOR and can manage it easily, i am glad for that but for me, one of the problems that i have with NOR is system selection. Players, imagine this, if S40 is the strongest count for the last 20 events in your SAP chart. After that you still picking S40 to go with, do you think it'll still be S40 for another 20 event or 10 or even 5?? it's difinitely not going to be another S40!!, because no systems are universal, and S40 was already happened and it will not be for the whole shoe. That is one of the step i try to use in my Sytem Elimination but do not try this method if you haven't master the complete system. Because Elimination has 2 steps, 1 eliminating and 2 filtering, because the worse ones sometimes not really be the worse. and when anyone can master the Elimination, the system will do the filtering itself and what you need to do is following the system and stealing the money from the casino.

Hello forum this is an indroduction of NOR system which i rename it Elimination because i've changed the way it suppose to be played. This system is only dedicated to players who have difficulties using NOR. Basically my Elimination system are pretty much similar to the NOR, but not exactly the same. Instead we are looking at the history of the events with the OR and the culprit counts to determine 1 system to play from 3 of the systems, which it has only 33% to pick out a correct system. It because sometimes the history won't tell us the right system in the future for the shoe. Sometime when we using NOR we have to depend of experience and luck. It's not something like studying from the book and we can use the method effectively with out luck. For Elimination System we are not trying to find 1 best system for the shoe to go with, we are trying to find 2 worse systems for the shoe and we will end up the last one for our option. For myself, i also have problems with NOR sometimes that's why i've developed an Elimination System. As i was said before, NOR contains of 3 systems that we can only pick one correct system which is only 33% to pick out a correct system. but, for the Elimination system your percentage of picking a right system is 100% and you are guarrenty winner, why?? It because if we can eliminate the 2 worse system in that shoe then we will end up 1 last best system. Being able to find 2 worse system is different than being able to find 1 best system. in Elimination we automatically knowing what is the winning system for the shoe we are playing because we have eliminate 2 worse one, rather than for NOR we are trying to find what is the best with 33% change. For my system, i totally change S40 and OTB4L still keeping F2 to make your winning unsustainable. i can guarantee 6 winning bets. everytime when you have reached your 6 winning bets; quit and play new shoe because the shoe won't have time to change the system. i would reccomend 234 progression so your average units will between 8-12 units. Many of you guys may wondering, if im so sure with my system, then why am i not playing 20-30-40 progression?. it because im spending my time playing live online. i have to travel out of state for the closest casino so it's a pretty far driving. but common, 8-12units/shoe and you playing 10 shoes a day? that is more like living in a dream world what would you asking for more?? This is only an introduction of my system how i won every shoes.

HI Teacher Ellis can i have the mannual too please please Email me at Thanh.tt09@yahoo.ca

and if i am in that situation of that middle shoe of your and down -9 i would just rather wait for the run to end and see if after that run would go back to the trash like 11 or 121 then i will start to pick 1 of the NOR system to beat those trash S40 definitely and hey thanks for your idea anyways.

changing the Unit size when you in a losing shoe or a losing pattern? ok now you've lost 234 -9 then you raise your unit size to $20U and bet 2U OTR?? and you won that bet OK what if you lost that bet and what if you'll lose more hands in a row follow that losing hands how many units would down your BR?? to me sounds like you are playing just pray for luck isn't it?

Cool, such a PRO thanks