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I'm in.

Yes, I want in.

Need information as to when these sessions will take place and the cost if any. Are the first two just a recording that can be watched at any time? The live casino session will that also be available on a recording or only live?

I AM ALSO INTERESTED.

way2fast you listed two shoes on the public forum that were strong sided. At what point in the shoes did you start betting (I mean how many events)?

BRAD01 - since you seem to be dominating the discussions I will, ask you my question regarding the premium membership. There seems to be very few posts in the premium section, other than being able to download the various manuals and I could do that within the first month of a membership what value would a membership be?

I'm still trying to understand. You would bet 100 units + several other large bets in order to complete you progression which would only gain you $25.00. Yes, you said that you were winning, at what point would you say to yourself AM I CRAZY FOR MAKING THESE BETS??????????????

I guess I'm confused. I understand the 2,2,1 concept, it's very simple. In one of your prior posts you said you use very small units since you can have to bet in your case to a 200 unit bet. At $5 your 200 unit bet would = $1,000.00. I have no problem betting $1,000.00 I have done it before many times, but, I can't see betting $1,000.00 and trying to complete a progression when if I make all these large bets and I get to complete the progression 2,2,1 I win 5 units at $5 = $25.00 I think you have to be out of your mind to risk a $1,000.00 bet + some other large bets just to win $25.00. Please explain, what am I missing?????????

Forcing you to play a shoe without letting the shoe tell you how to play it would seem to be worthless. If the object of the session is to learn why something was done then the shoe has to tell us how to play. Playing a shoe with a hand by hand explanation seems to be better then forcing you to play a shoe by a set system. The only thing I think you would learn is why the system you are being forced to use is the wrong system. Just a thought.

I have a few questions. 1 - In the following plays 2 3 3 2 1. After the second 3 would you be betting that 2s stay 2 and 3s go to 4? After the second 2 would you be betting also that 1s stay 1? 2 - Now the kicker if along with MDB+ you are playing as a companion game NOR, NOR+ or MDB (one of those three systems) and you got to a bet in one of those three systems and MDB+ where in one of those systems you should be betting player and in MDB+ you should be betting banker, what do you do. Net bet, Zero bet or what? Then how do you bet after that play?

From the rules you list have you changed regarding the NEW RULE that it needed 3 2's w/o a 1 between to bet that 1 stays 1? Have I messed a post somewhere?

Just a thought, what if you played MDB & MDB+ at the same time.

In post # 12 where you played two versions of a shoe, I'm confused in you play of MDB+ for the following reason: Play 11-13 is a 3iar Play 15-16 is a 2iar Play 17-20 is a 4iar How do you begin betting saying that you had your second confirmed 3iar at play 19? I guess that would be like saying I had a confirmed 2iar after play 18. Since when do we confirm anything until after the run? I could understand if we confirmed a 4iar before the end of a run once it has gone at least 4iar but not in any other circumstances. Can anyone answer, Ellis?

I am now only confused with one thing in the MDB+. Play 11-13 is a 3iar Play 15-16 is a 2iar Play 17-20 is a 4iar How do you beginning betting saying that you had your second confirmed 3iar at play 19? I guess that would be like saying I had a confirmed 2iar after play 18. Since when do we confirm anything until after the run? I could understand if we confirmed a 4iar before the end of a run once it has gone at least 4iar but not in any other circumstances.

Simple question in the shoe playing S4 play 20 is a run of 4 there is nothing longer after it why then at play 29 did you play the run? I see the first run was a zz run longer than 4 but in no other shoe do I see us betting all runs will go the length of the first run only the previous run.

To confirm in post # 61 Ellis stated "Any time you win your secondary prog 0 1 2 3 or change systems, your secondary prog resets to 0" In the answer in post # 63 it was stated that any time you win any secondary prog bet of 1 2 or 3 you reset to zero, winning a zero bet does not reset to 0 just determines which side your remaining secondary prog bet is on?

In the same shoe then since at play 6 the 0 won play 15 should have be 0 not 1 and play 26 should have been 1 not 2. This will confirm my understanding of the secondary prog, thanks.

If this has been answered please point me to the correct post. In the shoe at post # 12 regarding our secondary prog: Play 39 0, play 42 1 why was play 52 0 not 2 a completion of the prog?

I keep reading the if we get to +5 within the 1st 15 plays we capture 4 units and continue to play. If that is the case how do we continue to play the shoes that I see here where we get to +5 but never capture 4 and even though by the end of the shoe we may be ahead of +5 but we keep violating capture 4?

Ellis in your post #1 you talked about SAP and listed #s 1 thru 7+. In all of the shoes listed the SAP columns only go to 4+. Have you changed your mind and you are only going to 4+ instead of 7+?

Can someone post a link to the S40M3 rules as they currently exixst?

In reviewing the S40M1 +5 strategy shoe that was posted I have a few statements and then a question. 1 - After winning a secondary prog bet we go back to a zero bet for the next secondary prog. 2 - When the zero loses we bet our secondary prog bet that 2's will go to 3 (bet OTR). 3 - When the zero wins we bet our secondary prog bet that the 2's will stay 2 (bet ATR). 4 - each run of 4 or more determines how long you stay on the next run. If these above statements are correct please explain to me play # 52 where 1 unit was bet OTR. Does this mean that no matter how many times the 3iar does not go to 4iar we keep basing our decision on the last 4iar and ignore the fact that the previous 3iars stayed that way? This question may have been answered and I missed it. Thanks for the help.

Several questions for Ellis: 1 - Can you please post a set of rules for each of the three systems with an example and explanation of each play? 2 - When do you quit a shoe (for real) not in practice, the first time you get to +5? 3 - What is the loss per shoe you would allow -5? 4 - Which system would you start a shoe with, if you start playing at the beginning of the shoe and have no information regarding the table? 5 - How long would you wait to start the shoe so you can determine which system to play?

You mention three systems BaS40, BaOTB4L & S40M1. Can you please post the rules for each method on this forum?

Since we are trying to get to +5 in each shoe, when would you quit this shoe. The 1st, 2nd or even the 3rd time we hit +5. I realize in practice it doesn't matter if we play to the end of the shoe, but, in the real world when would you quit?