Hi BacPlayer, Welcome to the forum. Here's the answers to your questions. a) Is there an OR count which determines its a type of shoe. For Ex: On what negative count should i play the S40 system. When should i stop if the OR count moves towards 0? Later in the same shoe if the count goes positive should i be shifting to the F system or quit the shoe? You are getting it wrong. A + OR count suggest S40, a - OR count suggest that you can play F. An OR count hovering 0 suggest OTB4L. When using progressions (123 4) if i lose/win a 3 bet what should be my next bet? If you are winning, and won your 3rd bet (3units) you will go back to 1 unit. If you are losing and lost your 3rd bet (total lose 123-6 units) you should quit if your score is -6. Cos if you bet the 4 units and lose it will go past the stop loss of -8. If you are winning, you can bet the 4 units. c) What are these SAP systems? Is it something i should be learning as well? SAP is a count of events happening in a shoe. For a start i think you do not have to learn it. d) Where do i get the sample 6 shoes mentioned in the manuals for practice? You can download the 6 shoes here in post #1 http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6665&page=2&highlight=Manual+Sample+Shoes Hope this helps. Witchy