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Lol guys i totally agree!

Dark you are saying you will be joining the private forum and after 2 months i still see you posting in the public section. We welcome your contribution but please keep the posts clean.

Hi Ellis, Glad to know you are back home and well again.( **Hands over big bottle of healing potion** ) As usual i am sending you positive energy and to a big success at the next seminar! Witchy

Hope to see you in the private forum soon.

Lol i cannot resist having a good laugh on this. Ellis please pardon the ignorance hahah. BacPro45 from the way you are describing, i believe you are playing with patterns or whichever method that you can win with. But i recommend you to have respect for the members here and you are welcome to poach and sell your system elsewhere.

Thanks Kachatz for your clear explanation. Zap zap!!!

Hi Kachatz, How many hands will you see before starting to bet in a new shoe? Or do you need to have a 2 points difference between the 6 counts? This is refreshing and it can help improve my game more! Btw i also like your Wizard of Oz story LOL. Witchy

Lol Ellis I have been busy with work. I still pop in once in while to catch the latest news.

Hi BacPlayer, Welcome to the forum. Here's the answers to your questions. a) Is there an OR count which determines its a type of shoe. For Ex: On what negative count should i play the S40 system. When should i stop if the OR count moves towards 0? Later in the same shoe if the count goes positive should i be shifting to the F system or quit the shoe? You are getting it wrong. A + OR count suggest S40, a - OR count suggest that you can play F. An OR count hovering 0 suggest OTB4L. When using progressions (123 4) if i lose/win a 3 bet what should be my next bet? If you are winning, and won your 3rd bet (3units) you will go back to 1 unit. If you are losing and lost your 3rd bet (total lose 123-6 units) you should quit if your score is -6. Cos if you bet the 4 units and lose it will go past the stop loss of -8. If you are winning, you can bet the 4 units. c) What are these SAP systems? Is it something i should be learning as well? SAP is a count of events happening in a shoe. For a start i think you do not have to learn it. d) Where do i get the sample 6 shoes mentioned in the manuals for practice? You can download the 6 shoes here in post #1 http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6665&page=2&highlight=Manual+Sample+Shoes Hope this helps. Witchy

Ellis im a little late. Happy Birthday once again! stay in good health and enjoy life!

Hah im here! just too busy with work. Thanks Ellis!

Hi PB, Saw my name mentioned. Glad i was able to contribute. Keep on winning! Cheers, Witchy

Well played Keith! I would understand your play that after the P232 start you may be playing follow down as the OR seems going negative. Then you switch back to OTB4L and at the end you see 1s coming and try a S40? I wish i get this kind of shoes more often in Singapore.

Hi Hotcooler, Welcome to the private forum. For the shoe that you had described, i wouldn't wait till 15 plays then start. You would have missed the good part and the shoe might be changing to another trend. As the manual says you can divide a shoe into 3 sections (20 plays per column) and you will see that each part may be a different trend (so you can use 1 of the NOR system in that section). For pre-shuffled cards we are at a disadvantage and hardly get very bias shoes unless you are lucky. So for me i will play portion of the shoe with a certain NOR system and get out with a small profit. Hope this helps.

Wow Kachatz thanks a million for your generous sharing!!! I can understand how you look at the shoe. I think using disparity and also the various counts will help greatly in a shoe like this. For me playing in Singapore with preshuffled cards, I tend to meet shoes that changes very often. That being the reason of why I am considering switching systems halfway through the shoe in order to win some units. NOR still works but that is unless I meet a very bias shoe. If that don't come by often enough, I find it difficult to make even 5 units per shoe. I tried to find the post on disparity as you mentioned from the 2009 posts but can't seem to see any. Can you provide the link to the thread if possible? I will play out your shoe and see how you look at it play by play. Vertical or horizontal does not matter. The importance is analyzing how the shoe is going to turn out that enable us to make the correct bet selection and win!

Hi Kachatz, Do you have the scorecard that you might wanna post up to share with us how you played? For me this shoe starting with 33 i will choose OTB4L but will lose to the 1s and 8iar straight. Then i will think F2 which is not so good as well. Probably will have quit with a small loss.

Ellis good news on your discharge! I wish you a speedy recovery and please take good care! =)

Hah I'm still here! Just happen to see my name mentioned! I'm still looking into the legalities part so it may take a while. Of cos it will be great to meet Ellis in person as well as senior members from the states in Singapore!

Welcome back Ellis. Take good care!

Congrats John on your winning trips! I enjoy looking at your shoes as you included what you do and your feelings at the table. I can imagine your excitement! Keep posting great results!

Wow Core, Enjoy your play with the 2 members! I will try to join next time. =)

Oh Ellis i see it now! Thanks for pointing it out. Looking forward to your explanation on the play by play at the other thread soon.

Hi Jerry, Sorry for my mistake. Can you share with me how you play it? I just don't understand why your result on the right column is totally different from the shoe on the left? Example from hand 17 to 23, the shoe has a choppy zz result but your playing result is a streaky straight run of 7 in a row? That's totally different result already. That is same for the entire shoe. Hah to me it's like i'm looking at 2 different shoes. I also couldn't get the result like yours no matter how i try to figure it out.

Oh on a second look, I don't know what are you playing? Why do you have 2 columns with different shoe results? I am confused now.

Hi Jerry, I think you have mistaken. I am playing opposites vs repeats with an interchanging progression with red and blue pen. Example If the result is an opposite, the next hand will follow the winning color. You are playing it P vs B with a straight down progression on individual player and banker side. For your play we do not need to have 2 color pen. If you look at it carefully, you are actually playing S40 with a 121 progression and staying at mode 2 all the way. For my play opposites vs repeats, it will be playing OTB4L with a 121 progression and also using mode 2. I think net betting is nothing fanciful as it is only S40 and OTB4L with a mild 121 progression betting every hand. For TBL vs OTB4L and ADOT are also similar. So guys do you think you still wanna pay extra to learn what is already available in the forum? Lol