Echo4Wiske

Ellis, is there any news on when we can expect NORA to be presented to the forum?? With all the buzz around XDX, I think that it is clear that the members are looking for a more complex approach.. NOR can be for those looking to keep it simple, while NORA can be for those who want more of a in-depth approach.. The best of both worlds.. Thanks again for this forum Ellis, I am quickly developing a reputation at the casino I play at as a really good player.. It is awesome being at a table and everyone is waiting to see where you place your bet so they can follow suit!!!

Im a Marine!! Was taught to always look for my weakness' and turn them to strengths.. I've carried that with me back into the civilian world.. Once a Marine, always a Marine!!!! Ooh-Rah!! Man, Im getting motivated over here!! lol..

Hello all, These are my last two shoes.. S40 is my money maker right now.. Im am still a little weak with F/OTB4L shoes but I am still learning.. In the shoe on the left I started out with S40 but quickly switched to OTB4L when my O/R count started lingering around 0.. That hit a couple hands then the count went south.. I cant remember my rationale for switching to S40 but I did :-P Wow, now that I am looking at it I switched way too much and didn't follow the OTR rules at all!! But like I said, I am still learning.. Eventually, the count went + and I capitalized on it.. The shoe on the right is probably the toughest shoe I have ever played.. While I was at the table I could not figure it out to save my life.. I probably should have walked away but I wanted to fight it and try to learn something.. My count was telling me OTB4L but what I was seeing was telling me to play F 2/3.. So I played F for a bit, again not totally following the prog rules smh, and it kept me in the shoe.. Count started lingering 0 again so I switched to OTB4L.. Then I noticed the count went + so I again switched to S40.. I know I switch way too much, but when I'm at the tables its like I'm fighting to stay in the shoe.. I eventually got up and I was happy with my 5 unit profit.. I am interested to know how you guys would have played these shoes and what advice would you give me so I can improve my play?! Thanks..

That was a good article, and some great points were made.. As usual, your rebuttal was even better.. I've been playing live baccarat at the casinos for little over two weeks now.. I constantly see people fighting the biases of the shoe, while losing all their money, saying that the shoe will average out.. Even my little experience has shown me that every shoe has its biases' and it is pointless to fight against it.. Like you say Ellis, it separates us from them.. The winners from the losers.. I just got back from the tables and I made $250 in less than 3 hrs.. All because I follow your system and understand that any player that follows the biases' of the shoe can win consistently.. They can keep their math, I'll take the money!! LOL :-)

Thx DayTrader and Ellis!! I appreciate the words of encouragement and I will keep your advice in mind whenever Im at the tables.. I have some questions about some shoes from my recent trips but I will address them in another thread.. Thx guys!!

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Hello all, Im new to this forum, i have known about this place for a couple of weeks now.. When I first came across this site I tired to gather as much info about NOR as I could without buying the system :-P Big mistake!! I went to the casino with my limited knowledge and was up +6 units but eventually lost it all and more.. That was a few weeks ago.. So I decided to get access to the entire system and I have literally been reading and learning day and night... So today I finally went to the casino to see how much I have learned, and I was blown away at how wonderful this system works.. I posted my shoes.. I got greedy too late and ended up losing most of what I won.. I should have won back the cost of membership, but I didn't follow the rules and exercise cash management so my final winnings were not as much as they should've been.. I advise anybody who is on the fence about this system to jump over so you can start making money with Bac ASAP... Im so glad I found this site, I am going back to the casino bright and early tomorrow morning to win some more!!! Oh yea, I live in Detroit.. We have three casinos here, these shoes are from Motor City Casino.. I dont really like our MGM here, its kinda lame, it just feels like everyone is losing there so i stay out of there... Thanks again Ellis for your years of research and making my learning curve so short!!! :-)

Hello all, Im new to this forum, i have known about this place for a couple of weeks now.. When I first came across this site I tired to gather as much info about NOR as I could without buying the system :-P Big mistake!! I went to the casino with my limited knowledge and was up +6 units but eventually lost it all and more.. That was a few weeks ago.. So I decided to get access to the entire system and I have literally been reading and learning day and night... So today I finally went to the casino to see how much I have learned, and I was blown away at how wonderful this system works.. I posted my shoes.. I got greedy too late and ended up losing most of what I won.. I should have won back the cost of membership, but I didn't follow the rules and exercise cash management so my final winnings were not as much as they should've been.. I advise anybody who is on the fence about this system to jump over so you can start making money with Bac ASAP... Im so glad I found this site, I am going back to the casino bright and early tomorrow morning to win some more!!! Oh yea, I live in Detroit.. We have three casinos here, these shoes are from Motor City Casino.. I dont really like our MGM here, its kinda lame, it just feels like everyone is losing there so i stay out of there... Thanks again Ellis for your years of research and making my learning curve so short!!! :-)