Zenwin

Just love those war stories !! No one yet has said where were the $10 tables. Possible to find ? 'Claridge' ? Anyone went there lately ? Zen

Thanks Ellis, it's nice talking to you again. I'll be there on weekdays before Christmas. All hotel's rooms are cheap. (Hopefully they aren't going to raise their stakes, not yet ?) I missed your last PA casino meeting. Next time another meeting comes up, I'll try to be there. Zen

Hello everyone, I'm Zenwin. I know I haven't posted for centuries. I would appreciate if anyone of you could give me recent info. on Baccarat in Atlantic City: such as good casinos to play in term of table selection, readable shoes trends ( if this exists ) etc., if they have tote boards in every casinos ? I hope to play $10 tables. I heard 'Claridge' has tables for that. Is there any other casinos ? I'll be there on Dec 19-22. If anyone will be there playing, would you kindly let me know. Perhaps we could meet up ? Zen

I didn't post earlier, but better late than never. Our casino has just changed to machine shuffling now. I think its a good sign. The following 3 shoes were taken from the same table. Notice the streak in shoe #1 and #3, #3 shoe was #1 shoe after shuffled. Thursday 11/13 #1 Shoe - 8 deck machine shuffled - Montreal Casino, P3112221224 B112 (10 ten) 213 P3321114122 P11121711 Thursday 11/13 #2 Shoe - 8 deck machine shuffled B11151111611 B11112112211132 P12121241312 P1112213411111 Thursday 11/13 #3 Shoe - 8 deck machine shuffled B22111112342 P3113111111411 P4 (12 twelve) 4 B32421122

Wednesday 3 November 2008 18:30 - Montreal Casino 8 decks -hand shuffled P142213121111 P142111132121 B1111243151 P33112223

How do we go back to do editing ?

SHOE # 8 - Monday Oct. 13, 13:00 - 8 deck Hand shuffled - Casino Montreal - Canada (New Card) B123266 B2292122 B414311312 P12212231142 (21 hands) SHOE # 9 - Monday Oct. 13, 15:20 - 8 deck Hand shuffled - Casino Montreal - Canada (New Card) B112811213 B3124532 B22221121412 P133114311

(What a great idea !) SHOE # 4 - Sunday Oct. 12, 12:30 pm - 8 deck Hand shuffled - Casino Montreal - Canada B2132122421 B214351211 P611224121 P12121115 SHOE # 5 -Sunday Oct. 12, 14:50 - 8 deck Hand shuffled - Casino Montreal - Canada B12311321132 P1231321421 B31211113511 B1211521 SHOE # 6 - Sunday Oct. 12, 16:00 - 8 deck Hand shuffled - Casino Montreal - Canada B223121111231 P2111111211112211 P2321313212 P141511 SHOE # 7 - Sunday Oct. 12, 17:30 - 8 deck Hand shuffled - Casino Montreal - Canada B642113111 P1111122215111 B6232111211 B141112 Note: This is a shoe that immediately followed shoe #6 after hand shuffled, at the same table.

I haven't visited the NBJ site for a short while and just found my password was no longer 'recognized'. It is not an emergence for me right now, but would like to find out if something has changed. And how to acquire good password ? Anyone out there has the same problem ? Please reply Yes or No, please ..... Zenwin.

I was told in a game liked such in AC. All players hit liked crazy included the one who had 19 when they saw the dealer had 20. I am also wondering if playing like this will it affect the card flow ? Is it better to play or avoid such games ? Zenwin.

When they are available at your casino, yes. They are also a lot cheaper. You will also get used to see the same graphic (the design of each card) before you'll play them for real.

Great trick ! What were you trying yo track in this game ? Ten ratio or game signature ? Also, please tell me if you had made table selection first or did you just pick the 1st base to play ? Thanks. Zenwin.

I'm happy for you and I hope it'll work for you every time. Would you mind answer some questions about your play ? Was it a full table (how many persons) ? Did you play 1st or 3rd base ? Was it hand or machine shuffled ? If it was machine, was 2 alternate decks used ? Any table heat when you applied NBJ ? Thanks.

I'm excited about seeing this movie-'21'. It will be showed on March the 28th at the theater. Ellis, what do you think the casino will react to this film ?

Oops, I've been contemplating on how to reply this. Since my biggest fear is 'losing', therefore any indication of 'I'm about to' I'll quit right away. For I 'm not confident enough to play. So I think this time, Carlos, you were over-confident. And due to past victories, you were not prepared for this war. Somehow I appreciate greatly that you told us. I could see even YOU could lose if you don't practice what we learned. This would be a lesson for all of us to remember. Well, just let that be a lesson and I am sure you will be back to the real Carlos soon, the next time.

Somehow I understand what Carlos means by a game that is 'random' and dealer biased. The casino where I play is the best maker of such games. I have thought about it a lot since my last play ( refer to Pissed off players ). Those games were in fact very dealer biased. It seemed 'random', it didn't have much clumps and 10s were always here and there. Sometime I could get a read on the hold cards, but it didn't matter how I played at 3rd base, the dealer still won. What I also found, if I misplayed one round (with hand that I should have played NBJ but I played BS instead) and the dealer won over the table. From there on I would keep getting those class B hands, like forever. I needed to stop playing a few hands and watch for a better chance to get back again. Since my last play, I've read 'shuffles machine and random cards' and tried to simulate the shuffle to produce cards liked our casino. I guess I have got it. Now I have games here like what we discuss, and I'm not wining !! I have played 2 shoes this evening, with 1-2-3 prog, and I'm also behind. I am just wondering now of how to get rid of these biases, beside ruin these cards and start new. I guess in real casino play we'll have to walk away. What else we can do ? Any suggestions ? Zenwin.

Best of Luck. Keep us inform.

I got it, Ellis, Mad Dog and Carlos. I'll pay more attention to NBJ for now. Thanks. Zenwin.

In such game will you apply negative progression such as 1-4-6 before your big bet ? Then, is this big bet more then 6 units ? Zenwin

I find all these tell tells mentioned here are very interesting indeed. I've always noticed 'things' happening at the table. I never think those could be 'applicable' to play. For example, paying attention to the hand after push is a good one. But it also makes me wonder if there is some theory to it ? Also, how many more push hands in a shoe we could bet accordingly after ? What if the bet result turns out just the opposite ? (we'll lose, I know). Is this more like gambling ? After all we are only based on some observational factors. But please don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing here. Just want to know if there is scientific prove to them ? I have two that I would like to share: 1) Recently, playing with our shuffling machine MD 1.1, whenever there is 1 player has BJ (not 2 players) in a round, the dealer almost always make her hand to 20 or 21 as to kill every other players. It doesn't matter if she has a 10 up or a small card up. Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing the table can do about that. Is there ? 2) With our machines, usually if you see someone who has A+9, and the dealer breaks in this particular round with a 10 card. Almost always the same person will get BJ in the next round. (This is suitable for a back bettor to place his next bet with that person. But not everyone know this.) I hope we would all share more of these tell tells. Zenwin.

Now that I have played a bit more. I've started to question this - where do the low cards go ? I've learned in NBJ when we see the low cards are running, we should hit them before they'll make the dealer's hand. Some of you said if we did this as much / often as we could, it would help straightening out the future shoes we'd play. I did just that. And I also saw other player did, not because they played NBJ but because the low cards were in clumps, it seemed they would never hit to 17. Say, he hits a stack of low cards (6, may be 7 of them) in a row that come out of the shoe. Whether he wins this hand or not, at the end when these cards are collected they will stay in the same stack. Nothing different than that stack in the shoe except the location of them is shifted. Then, how will they dissipate in the future shoe and why ? Is this a silly question ? Zenwin.

Hi, Have anyone noticed sometime there is a spot which is particularly favorable (meaning getting good hands most of the time) at the table ? I've noticed this consistently because many times while I was playing 3rd base, the person on my right seemed to get exceptionally good hands, mostly non decision hands- 2x10, some BJs, and stiff hands hitting to 21 (7,8, hit 6). While I seemed to struggle so much with playing my 12s-16s. I know it is not my imagination of it. Sometime it makes me think if I should just play at this spot instead. Perhaps you'll suggest that I shall play 2 spots instead. But in our casino equal money is required for both spots (can't bet one with higher amount and the other one low, so that we can't sacrificing the low bet for the high one), the result in playing the two sometime is only breaking even. My feeling is, if I to play these 2 spots, I'll probably end up paying less importance to my 3rd base hand, (using less NBJ method and 'pissing off' the table less.) Can anyone contribute their experiences, observations, comments on these particular spot (s) ? Thanks. Zenwin

Talking again about 'Pissed off players'. I had the dealer and the table ganging up on me this morning. First, she (the dealer) was just mean to begin with, the type who wants nobody to win except her. And she loved to pick on me. Then, all the players played BS to the book. As I'm writing this I realize I shouldn't even have played in such table but for playing new cards in this morning that was the last table available. I took the 3rd base (as usual). I often notice, the first shoe was not new, in fact it's a shoe that was played a night before. They never show this shoe, but pull it out from the shuffling machine and start playing. Sometime it is dealer biased. And it was this morning so I immediate lost 4 in a row, I stopped until towards the end of the shoe I joined in to win my 2 hands back. There came another shoe (new cards this time), I kept playing with NBJ I heard half of the table was commenting about my play, (to the point that was very impolite). There was one hand I needed to hit my 15 vs. her 6. I ended up not to because she made note to the whole table that I was going to do it again. I lost my guts, (just what if I was wrong?) And she made it ! (She had 3,6,2,8. I could have a push.) Any way, there came an insurance bet. Just because of some past event that leaded me think she had a BJ, I went insured with my 3,4 total 7. The whole table went nuts. As I was not putting up the right amount of money, she gave me a hard time and one of the couple who were next to me, telling me to the face 'how stupid' I was to waste my money. While the man began to criticize me, he was elbowed to stop because that was the time they all found out she did have BJ. Everyone lost except me. I could tell that she wasn't very pleased, she would rather that I was wrong. So her revenge came while someone doubled ($150 x 2) and got 21. I didn't really misplay my hand (oh, only NBJ players know) and she also got 21 (instead of 20). The whole table roared (whenever this happens, they blame someone, right ?) To make the matter worst, she pointed it out that was my play which caused that... Despite all the hardship I was winning at the end of the shoe. However, when the first shoe was back. I wasn't able to bet with the game signature. I lost so I stopped again. This time she wasn't that nice to me, she told me if I stopped, I would have to leave the table for some else to play. (There wasn't even a ghost around, plus everyone was losing, if anyone had eyes could see wouldn't choose this table to play.) So I left the table as I had enough of that and I was beginning to lose my focus. The result of this morning play ? Well, I lost one unit ! ( And I didn't cry.) Zenwin.

Please don't be offended about what I'm going to say. I'm still inexperienced. But if you KEEP getting dealer's bust cards at 3rd base, do you sometimes wonder it is not the 'correct' play ? Do you win that hand after all ? I know how you feel about drawing heat at the table. I often get it myself. Like this evening, despite that I hit my 13 and got a 6 (at 3 rd base) vs. dealer's 4. He broke his 10+4 with and 8. Even the dealer said that I had just saved the table, but there is still this guy said I played dangerously, bla, bla. Sometime I heard players discussed about me at the other end of the table, like 'Can you imagine this kind of person to play ANCHOR ?' and laughed. But never mind it. If you play it 'correctly', soon they will shut up. Do you want to know what was so funny this evening. I did a couple of those hits. Most of the time I won over the dealer. I didn't care if they won or not. I didn't intend to save the table. I also won a few insurance bets. They saw all that. So despite they wasn't so happy that I was right most of the time, at one call for insurance bet. I held my hand up fast to tell the dealer to wait because I needed to sort out my chips. They all decided to join me to buy insurance. Actually, I was only over reacting. When I looked at the table again I told the dealer I changed my mind. But their bets were out. The result ? 'No body's home'. I laughed to myself because I knew it was because they believed in me and lost. But I admit that each time I enter the table, I need to psych myself up first. I'll look over the players to see if I may be afraid to play in such table, in case I do take the dealer's bust cards. I also choose the dealer, etc. Like Carlos said, it was a job. Zenwin.

So, should we play basic strategy in this round ?