Thanks for the input. Looking over the ZP manual again, I sometimes get confused: It seems that ZP is best played in a neutral count shoe, from 3rd base, using mostly BS and a 3-step negative progression. Yet it also indicates that as soon as clumping (but not over-clumping) is detected as reflected in the count, it is best to use the First Base Strategy. Have I got this right. Also, Ellis seems to indicate that he often uses a 1/2 progression. How to use this with the First Base method is clear, but I am unsure how Ellis handles third base. Ellis, are you playing third base BS, or first base, or switing between the two? It seems that ZP and new cards are a good match. Lastly, Ellis how exactly did you get that big score at the Taj, doing a demo when you were only betting a 1/2 progression? Can you describe what happened in more detail? Also, am I right in my belief that ZP is a lot easier to play than Precision BJ?