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Thank you all for the explaination, i truly appreciated.

Hi Mr.Davis and all of you who know answer to my question, I have been focused on learning how to play systems of NOR and didn't pay attention on all the different money progs to go along with. Now i am about ready to learn them. Would you please teach me how? Especially the U1D1M2, and the U1D2 ? Please explain them in simple words since English is my second language, and it will be very helpful if you can attach samples a long with your explaination. Thank you so much and wish you all well always.

Thank you Mr.Davis for answering my question on counting method. I have one more question to ask you( or anyone in the forum who know the answer to it). How would I work those counting numbers into the decision making while playing baccarat? Is any guideline or suggestion of how to use those numbers? Before you start sit down to play, do you have to decide what system to play first or should I rather wait few hands to get those numbers going to see what system I need to play, how do I get the indication from those numbers to know what system to pick. Is there any general ideas, guideline at all on this matter?, though I know we need to be able to feel the changing of the shoe from moment to moment, but there must be some general guideline about how to use those counting number to put them into practice. Please kindly let me know because I am trying to practice as much as possible before our trip on Nov/23/13 to Atlantic City. Wonder if any of our member will be there on that date? I love to meet any of you. Thanks

Hi Mr. Davis and everyone on the forum, It has been a long time I haven't visited the forum so I must have missed a lot of info. When I bought Nor system, I know how to do the OR count, but other than that I don't know how to perform the other two counts plus the newest 4th. So, I wonder if Mr.Davis or anyone who read this thread can assist me with this question, and how to construct them into the score card too. Thank you very much and wish you all well.

Hi Mr.Davis, I somehow knew that you weren't feeling well in the past several days, but until today it is confirmed that thought by reading your post. I don't want to ask you nothing today but wish you soon be recovered from the new surgery though you said it's just a minor one. Taking good care for yourself first Mr.Davis, before you can taking care of others. All the questions of us can wait.

Mr.Davis, On the subject of shoe start pointers in the manual, you said you never make a 2 bet until you have won a 1bet. It confused me a lot! I remembered one time you told me once you start playing the shoe you would never paused except at the overlap period, so did you mean that you would flat betting 1 unit until you win a 1 bet. But that wasn't make any sense because if you have won a 1 unit bet you wouldn't have to bet up 2 units the next time. Or did you mean you won't make a second bet if you didn't win the first bet?.I am sorry for being too slow to understand, but that is why the Master there for right Mr. Davis? Would you please explain this for me one more time in a simplest way possible? Thank you very much.

Thank you Mr.Davis for answering my post in such a short time. I pretty much got a clearer idea of playing F now, but however, let me sum-up my understanding on it and hope you don't mind to scan it again to make sure I got it right. On any style i am playing, I should always remember to use either one of the 2 modes.(for now ). And as F style prefers SS or streaky shoe, I should only follow the ZZ run for one time in Mode 3 and 2 times in M2(with the condition of winning the first otr of ZZ ). With F M2 I will use 123 progression, and 1234 with M3. What about I was successfully on the long run for a while then it broke, should my next bet will automaticly go to 2 units bet, or should bet 1 unit starting all over again?( minus the fact you have told me before that unless you won your first bet you won't go up on the money prog)?. I guess I should continue with the next prog since I already won a few bets OTR , right? Until i reach the max prog accordingly then i should go back to the 1 unit bet doesn't matter I have won or lost the third bet (M2), or the 4Th bet (M3). Lately, I saw a lot of 3 and 4 iar in the casino and the sudden changes from streak to chop, in that case should I change style or keep on for a while, do you have any preference. I know you said you rarely change style once you decided to play the shoe, but that is for the Pros, and i am not yet one. Also, I think you forgot one of my curiosity question: how you can decide to play on play 2 of the shoe at when it didn't have the history just yet? May be that id your earned strong sense after so many years of experience. I like to get in after 4 plays and would love to get out as soon as possible(before play 60), I often not doing well toward the end of the shoe for some reasons. Mr.Davis, one day I would love to meet you in person , so if you ever decide to come to play at the Hard Rock in Tampa please let me know, i will be there no matter what. Again, thank you for your quick reply, and thank you bluetri too for paying attention for newbee like me. I appreciated you all.

Hi Mr.Davis, I need some guidance on playing F style; I found myself having problem with it either to identify the F shoe or playing it. Here are my questions regarding F style: 1- At the very beginning of the shoe where- for instance- it started with PBBB, which is -1, should i decide to use F style because the manual says F like 21s and 31s ? And just for my curiosity, you said you usually start your shoe right at the second hand, how can you do that as the shoe had no history yet for table selection purpose? 2-As my understanding, you stay on the run until it loses and keep staying on the same side for 1more(M2) 2more (M3). Let say i am in M2 and using 123 prog, and was on the run then it broke, my next bet will be staying at the same side still but should i treat it as the second on money progression by betting 2 units?, or should i treat it as it first start again and bet only 1 unit? Another word, i am confusing of how to do with money progression on F. 3- Also was on M2 of F, how long would you stay on the ZZ run? And how soon should you follow the ZZ run? I am not sure have i done it correctly but here is what I did : BBB P B , I read this as 3 ZZ on the row so my next play was placed on P. Please tell me if it right or wrong. Thank you Mr. Davis, I wish you in good health always.

Thank you Mr.Davis, I got it now.

Hi everyone, Wonder if any of you guys have time to guide me through how to use the money progression method, U1D2 again? I have read the manual about it but still not very clear. Suppose I play using the 123 4-U1D2 method, I will start with 1 unit bet and if i win that first one unit bet, then how can i Down 2 since that bet was just a 1 unit bet?. I found this a little confusing, please help explain it if any of you can. Thank you.

Thank you bluetri, but i clicked on that link and the screen said that no page like that, perhaps the page could have been closed or removed? Please let me know if you find it happen same way. Thanks.

Thank you Mr.Davis, to answer your question of where I live, I live in Florida and do you remember Myxuan? I am the one who wrote you a letter back on last December. I am the one having the husband that loss so much money on baccarat but so hardheaded to want to learn to be better at the game( He is the kind of person who didn't believe on anyone but himself). It made me so mad and decided to be one of your students to hope for one day I can proven to him the way he play was so wrong, and off course, I also hope to recover some of the money he had lost! I myself don't have much experience on this game except some knowledge by reading on my own research that included buying a Maverick Ultimate system I have mentioned to you before( on the letter i first wrote you on last December), and now NOR. I haven't been practice yet but will do later today since now I got your reply with info needed. Thank you again Mr.Davis and all other members who have been helping me. For more on the info on where where we live, the nearest casino is the Hard Rock casino in Tampa, my husband said there they use pre-shuffled cards. However, I might going to move to Ohio in the near future because of his work there, and there are more casinos that way, the Horseshoe of Cleveland, River casino in Pittburgs....I am a very timid person, it will take me a lot of practice before heading there to to test my ability to play this game seriously( my goal is a successfully 100 shoes ). Hope you all doing well and get even better every time. And Mr. Davis, wish you in good health always, for you and for us.

Dear Mr.Davis, Thank you for replied to my thread, glad that you are out of hospital and hope that you will doing well. My questions on the NOR manual are: 1-Can you explain again on how to count on the ZZ run and give me a little example for that? 2-On the manual you said you will pause if you didn't win the very first bet, so how long will the pause be and when should we resume on the game? 3-Where can i find the samples that you mention on the manual and preferred us to go on the forum to check them out. I am also not too clear on the SAP, the way it works and applies on the shoe. 4- When we play baccarat, between the SAP and the OR count which one of them is more useful on the purpose of determination when to shift the system? For now, the way i am understand it is SAP is the record of all the events that happen in the shoe, am i correct? and SAP is to be used to help us to made a mode change but not something to look for when determine to change the system, am i right or wrong on that? Would you please tell me where to find the samples that relate to SAP? 5- The manual said we should use OTB4L as our default play, but what happen when the first few plays of the shoe would bring the OR count to, let say -2( exp. B115 ), then should we still use OTB4L or F? . I found myself having most problem when playing F, it is something i need to do more learning on, do you have any sample shoe that represents F style that I can study on ? 6- I heard there is the way to weight special events (1s, 2s, 3s, 4s....),please explain them if you would. Mr. Davis, those are my questions, for now all my understanding of what the NOR teachs are very messy in my head, I need to have them clarify and then find my own special way to memorize and organize them, then i will able to practice. I would very appreciated your help or the help of any member here in this forum. Please be patience with me for my slow learning ability. Thank a million.

Hi to all forum members out there, This new member need help badly, I have posted two threads since yesterday but never see any reply at all. I wonder if my threads got lost or something. I saw that other member just post one today and got answer right away, may be my questions got so dump that nobody bother to spent time to reply? In that case what should I do, I am just a newbie couldn't possible be smarter without the help of experts. Appreciate if someone can tell me what to do !

Dear Mr. Clifton,as a brand new member, i have a few questions needed to be clarified. 1- When we first start to play the shoe after few hand, what happened if you lose the very first bet, the manual taught that we shouldn't play the second bet if we lost the first, so, how soon should we resume and at that time should we repeat the money progression all over again at one unit or we should go on and bet with the next level (2 units)? 2-How do i learn to use the SAP, would you please teach me on that? 3-On our score card, should I rely more on the OR count more or the SAP more? 4-Should we play every hand or what? I remembered that the first initial play you said if we lose we should stop, but after that will we still follow that rule ? 5- Each column on our score card is 20 plays, if we need to change system or mode, should we wait until at least to that milestone point? 6- I have trouble with relying on the OR count because it kind of conflict with the SAP, what should I do about that? I am planning to go to the casino next weekend, and i hope I would be able to have these questions answered ASAP so I can re-practice to get some good hang about the NOR approach. By the way, how are you doing Mr.Clifton? I finally made a decision to be one of your students despite the fact that my husband didn't support it. I hope one day in the near future I will prove him wrong. So please help me and bear with my slow learning ability. Thank you and wish you well always to guide us.