Hi Ellis, thanks for the quick reply. The table had a black box with 8 cards in them already. We are not allowed to touch the cards at any time. It looks like its the same cards... the dealer seems to just ask someone to cut and they just keep rolling. And yes they do allow a person to cut the cards before every shoe. The reason why I played at this particular cardroom called Casino 580 was because they had 4 bac tables with no fees what so ever, and it being only 30 minutes away from my house. Another casino is about 1 hour away from me with 3 baccarat tables... and another is called San Pablo, which is 20 minutes away with only 1 bac table... So I'm pretty low on choices around here! Are there any websites that you would recommend? The reason why the shoe was short, was because I didn't write down the whole shoe...which I'm assuming was a mistake on my part. Next time I go, I will copy the whole shoe before entering it. So I went back to get the WHOLE shoe and this is the results of the 2 shoes I did play... shoe 1 P323112181132121216451311521 Realized if I had stuck with F I could have won, but didn't really understand which mode to stay in.... shoe 2 P11511224321121121411112(11)1 the (11) is 11x banker I played this shoe with F3 since there was so many 2s... Thanks!