BronxAl

Yes, Frank Barstow book "BEAT THE CASINO" is an excellent book to read (copyright 1979) and published in 1984.

Yes, when I play craps on the don't side. Betting only after two players seven out or one player hits a craps win and sevens out. This is the smartest way to play craps.

Why not try the Patrick System: 1-1-1-2-2-3. Using the same principles, risking only 10 units and the highest bet would be parleying the 3.

It's called the 31 system.

Originally Posted by brad01 Re: Up as you win 221 Baccarat for pro players Hi Keith I tried this with based on Midas Touch system which is similar reverse labouchere cancellation system. But what happened is that on a bad run the bets increase. Depends how your wins come in - if its wwLwwL then its fine or even LLLLwww its ok but this method relies on consecutive wins like a parlay to cross off faster than you accumulate If its wLwLwL then all you do is increase uncrossed sums and cross off smaller values At least flat bet you break even and negative progression you win Not saying its not viable and cant work just based on what I experienced The thing with this system is most people think they can cancel out everything eventually and its like a HG or something so they keep betting and their bet selection goes down and their bet size goes up. Once again flat bet you never stray from the plan because you cant so I find it the absolute safest way but a 1,2 I could live with. But I'm open to ideas One thing I did hear of was a guy who made a living from 111224488 Aim to win one unit first bet you bet 1 then if lose go to a double win If lose go to parlay then onto the 2 for a double win if lose go to 2 for a parlay and so on at any step you only need 2 wins to come out +1 Eg lose all the 1's and then get a double win on the 2 = +4 Or lose the first 2 and then get a parlay = +6 If lose the series start again With a good bet selection you could get a double win within the series quite a lot more than losing and maybe even win more than you lose But 8 unit higher than base bet - aaargh! It's called the 31 system.

Yes, him and Bruce use to practice Chi Sao on top of Tea House tables in Hong Kong, China. Even Bruce Lee himself boosted that his friend William Cheung's punches were timed at 8 seconds per punch.

Do you know or heard of Master, William Cheung? He resides and has a Wing Chun school somewhere in Australia. Bruce Lee and William Cheung were friends and studied together in China under Grand Master ip Man. This is before Bruce Lee moved to America.

Nice! "Breath deeply and keep your body and mind centered. Grasshopper".

Ellis, Thank you, for clarifying the tracking of 1's, 2s, 3s and 4+. I have another question - Why do we need an OR column in our scorecard? When the SAP counts of 1's are High or 2nd Highest we have a + OR Count and visa versa when 1's are Low or 2nd Lowest we have a - OR Count. Likewise, SAP covers the OT Counts having High 2’s meaning a + O/T Count and Low 2's, or No 2’s means a - O/T Count.

I just want to confirm the correct rule of math.

Hi Ellis, In the public forum: Thread: SAP/Reverse SAP - Ellis; Post #1 - you stated that "A word about "weighting" our SAP counts. (we multiply 1's by 1, 2s by 2, 3s by 4, 4s by 8 and 5+ by 8)." Which is correct - "4's by 8" or "4+ (4 or mores) also get 4 points each"?

How about when you see Two (2) Repeats in a Row. Start betting OTB4L or TB4L, until 2 loses. Then, resume 2 Hi Net Betting?

May I ask what method you are using? FrontAl

May I ask what method you are using? FrontAl

PapaJoe, May I ask what method you are using? FrontAl

I like the up and pull regression method using 1-2-2, start over with 1 after completing series or after any loss.

Start over at 1. The 1-2-2 progression loses after five attempts before completing the series. If your hit rate is greater than 5 attempts, then you need to re-evaluate your bet decisions. After winning and completing the 3-step series you're up 5 units, minus all of your 1 loses. Note: After playing this weekend at the Tampa Hard Rock I changed from PLAYER and BANKER NOT being independent of each other using the 3-step series. It did not work. Also, I reverted back to OT as explained by Ellis in his OT posts. Sorry, my Idea did not show good results even though the online casinos show good results. However, I still like the 3-step series (1-2-2) up as you win.

Ultimate Net Betting does win a lot of shoes. This weekend I'll be at the Tampa Hard Rock and I am going to use an up as you win 3-step, 2 Hi Progression 1-2-2 on repeats only and 1-2 on chops. This progression only loses after five attempts on repeats before completing the series. After winning and completing the 3-step series you're up 5 units. Then, you start the series over again. If you win the first 1-2 units and lose the third 2-unit bet you gained 1-unit. You then, start over again. Keep in mind you follow the Ultimate Net Betting rules with one major change, (ANYTIME YOU LOSE (1 BET) to a CHOP And an (OT) PATTERN APPEARS TWICE. THEN, BET (OT) UNTIL IT LOSES (2 BETS) using the 3-step series, OTHERWISE BET REPEATS. NOTE: PLAYER and BANKER will be independent of each other using the 3-step series. I have been using this method with online casinos having great success averaging 10+ units but, not in a brick and mortar casino. I feel confident this method will work and report on results.

SAME TO ALL and WISH EVERYONE A BETTER FINANCIAL 2015!

Then your next bet will be 3 units. Many instances the first bet wins more often, when you win your 1st bet of 3 units your up 1 unit not down 2 units. You now RECOVERED from a losing series. Betting 3-4-5 brings your wins to escalate much higher when wining 50%+.

That is cheap my damn plumber charges $140 call out fee. What's worse is my electrician @160/hr. $200 for several hours of teaching from Ellis is reasonable. The return on investment is well worth it.

Hi Bigcash, I use to play there when I lived in Boston, almost every weekend, the people are friendly. I started playing BJ then, switch to baccarat. I would stay with NB and MDB+ touch games. Start out slowly until your sweet spot starts jumping out and feel confident on your method of play.

I agree OTB4L would kill this shoe. Net betting is simple but, risky if you get carried away playing this.

I absolutely agree, you must feel the shoe.

Kevin, I agree discipline is crucial both in money management and playing strategy. I found that net betting 3hi works in some casinos but, not always. Where as S40M2 will work using 2hi has more consistency, for my style of playing. Don't jump in the game until you watch, then decide using paper play first on which method works the best. With a $2,000 buy-in you can easily start off betting $100, as you win move up to $200 etc. Note: keep focus forget about casino distractions. Al