BronxAl

Hey Kevin, Sorry, you lost your job and your dog, and the BFF burned the house down...but how can the truck be running if its on empty? Instead of S40M3, net betting 1-2-3 either P/B, OR, OT shows a higher PA with less stress. You can go to 1-2-3-4 but I wouldn't go any further. If there is a lost wait until the OTR is over but here is the catch resume your net bets where you left off using U1D2. What do you think? Al...

I agree Ellis, most of the questions are redundant and if they just read each and every post's giving by you exclusively, their questions will have already been answered. The question really is comprehension. I do understand IQ's vary and maybe some of our members need to take notes.

"Right. I'm just not 100% sure that all were from that one Vegas trip because Norm was also playing the Gulf coast and Florida. By the way, I ran into Norm 3 or 4 days into that Vegas trip. He dropped in on our Seminar. At that point he was $170,000 up for the trip! Norm paved the way for all of us." That is amazing Norm only played 2Hi.

Started using it on Sat. 05/17/2014 between 2:30 pm to 6:00 PM at the Tampa Hard Rock Casino playing conservatively 1-2-3-0-2-3-4, after 2 shoes I realized the progression never went passed 0.

Hi gman, Try BaOTB4LM3. Progression 2-3-4. My average has been well in the 20's, most of the shoes haven't even reached the secondary progression. If so I accept the loss of 9 units and start over. You will be surprise that your wins are high enough to accept some loses.

Hi aysuen, I am sorry I didn't record the shoes, my bad for training purposes. The Asian tote board was well recorded and easy for me to interpret. So I didn't bother to use a score card. The Runs were 3iers, 1 run of 4's, about 6-3's and the rest were 2's and some 4'zz's every now and then. I have to admit that I used NOR+, MODE 3 most of the time. I HAD A BRAIN STORM AND TRIED SOMETHING NEW. MY MIND SOMETIMES WORK THAT WAY HAVING BEEN TRAINED IN LINEAL & STATISTICS: What if we reverse BaS40? Sort of a modified "NOR F". I tried it on the final shoe before leaving Hollywood Hard Rock Casino at approximately 2:00 am. 1) Your primary prog 1,2 are on repeats TBL (NOT OTR), after two loses you're automate on ZZ's. 2) Stay on ZZ's betting 1 unit until 1 lose. 3) Then, go back to repeats with a 1, 2 prog until after 2 loses, you're again on ZZ runs until 1 losing bet of 1. Keep in mind this is a preshuffled shoe. I do not want to brag on how much I won, but it was more than my buy-in. I hope Ellis is not upset for introducing this strategy. You lose a total of 3 units before you're on a ZZ run but, that is easy to make-up. However, try it you might like this approach. Al

Be carefull Pompanomike, I played at the Hard Rock in Hollywood this past weekend and my shoe history showed their shoes had High 2s and 3s. Started playing BaS40M1 using proper secondary prog. on Friday at 9:30 pm. entering mid-shoe, because I saw high straight runs and zz's. I doubled my buy-in of 20 units after first shoe. But, then the next shoe and all the other shoes until 3:00 am showed High 2s and 3s. I switched from playing BaS40M1 to BaOTB4L in the second shoe and averaged 6 to 8 units/shoe. I mentioned to the floor supervisor, that the shoes are quite random and he admitted that's how we order them already Preshuffled.

PapaJoe, You hit the nail on the head and profiled Norm's inner most ways he played. While I was playing NOR Baccarat, many times Norm would emotionally tell me "I don't play NOR". Then, I would just stop playing and learned observing his plays. Thank you, Al

To all my fellow astute BTC family, As Ellis, has previously mentioned he has a computer problem. At this time his computer problems should be fixed by Tuesday, 04/29/2014. Until then silence. Enjoy your weekend and practice.

Welcome back! It is good hearing from you Keith. I posted that on 04/12/2014. In Coffee Talk Lounge. Titled: The Technique, called Edge Sorting, Post #1 and #2 Re: The Technique, called Edge Sorting: Edge sorting is a method of advantage play that uses natural irregularities in the cut on the backs of cards to be able to identify certain groups of cards. By being able to identify critical cards, APs are able to improve their betting and playing decisions. This method of advantage play is not new; APs have been using it to beat the house for at least two decades. The advantages that edge sorting can produce are significant and enduring. The games targeted range from blackjack and baccarat to Caribbean Stud and Mississippi Stud. Casinos around the world have been hard hit by this method. And the fix is trivial. Abram Alexander, in his book “Advanced Tactics in Casino Advantage Play†Is there a chance to reconsider the training "Million Dollar Baccarat" that was scheduled today on another day?

OK, with that issue I partially agree. But, keep in mind the cost they already spent renting the space to impart their knowledge. Both Ellis and Kieth were unable to teach and get up to speed with mostly an audience of newbies.

This is sad for all us loyal followers. As I said in post #32 - (Realize that Ellis and Keith can abandon us at will). Well it is starting to happen. Some of our Forum "antagonists" are idiots. There is a gold mine right in our back yard, and we cannot even see it. The potential money we can make far exceeds the cost required to learn and keep learning. As Ellis said "guys that are overly concerned about $150 to learn what I've learned over 30 years don't have the money to play anyway". I'll add to that; if you cannot comprehend the cost of doing business, how in the hell can you comprehend a winning strategy. I strongly believe in the First Amendment (free speech) but not when there are "antagonists" it is pure rudeness. Every, lets start to behave as winners. I think I will start taking trips to Tunica now, instead of Biloxi. Ellis, I hope to run into you at the table.

Right on! Keep in mind something for nothing is worth nothing.

Everyone please let’s have some respect, discipline and patients! Realize that Ellis and Keith can abandon us at will; they are the only ones left that can help us advance above the 95% of losers. We all lost NormA, when he passed, a good friend who can stand shoulder to shoulder with Ellis and Keith. SO LET’S NOT CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WE MAY REGRET. Leadership faces a lot of pressure. You cannot please everyone all the time. I agree the 4D Seminar was a failure for the price of entry. The failure lies with the participants having not prepared themselves properly with the knowledge of BASIC NOR, NOR+ and NET BETTING. Maybe, there should have been an exam qualifying the participants before attending. This is a suggestion for future Seminars. Yes, Ellis and Keith might have been guilty of greed, by accepting Preschool Level Attendees to take a Post Graduate Course. However, that is spilled milk now under the bridge, lesson learned. In the last few months before NormA passed, he told me Baccarat is starting to change due to Preshuffled Cards, I never got the chance to explore any further on that subject with him. So everyone lets remain professional. Recouping our money can easily be achieved and sustained with the cost of learning and the cost of doing business. Ellis and Keith have need to charge us for their services rendered, and then take us on a journey of mastering preshuffled cards playing Baccarat. Remaining loyal, FrontAl

Enjoyed and learned something from watching all the videos. Thanks...

I Need help! Video keeps stopping then, replays at the beginning. Cannot correct problem. Maybe the video is defective?

The video should be interesting. I will buy the video for $349.00. Al

We all have our ups and down. Latter...Al

Thank you Norm, Same to you!...Al

Hi Ellis, Thank you, your very detailed and examples increased my understanding. Feels like a spiritual adventure in Baccarat. I should have named myself "Grasshopper" (Sifu, Bruce Lee's) student name. I appreciate your in depth help. HAPPY FATHER'S DAY!...Al

Hi Norm, Thanks for your response, I hope your doing well. I finished digesting the NOR Manual method and now studying the Bootcamp Manual. I like NOR, it tracks the spirit of the shoe creating confident decision making. Now and then reading the threads intrigues me with questions. I appreciate your help. Al

Hi Norm, Several questions: What is the ADOT System? Is it an improvement to NOR system? If so, how can I obtain it? Al