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Can you describe your 7 step money management system? It sounds interesting. 777

I'm interested in what others use for a Bankroll chart as far as increasing bet size. I've read that 100 units is a good starting point and then increase up a level once 100 units of that next level have been won. Would appreciate the elite players thoughts on this. 777

Who knows if he will release it. It's unreal he keeps saying different things about what's going to be in it (Final Word) and then no posts for weeks. I understand he has health issues but get someone else to update the people that have already paid and are waiting? Make Sense?

Hey Keith, What was the BTC app about? I just meant have SFP as an iOS app and that way people could have their own databases of shoes specific to casinos that they play at. Or can this be filtered already in the web interface? 777

Would it be a possible to have stats for profits as a downloadable application or for iOS/Android? I think that would be a great idea. 777

Ellis, Can you please outline any additions or corrections or differences from the NOR manual from 2011 that have been made? I want to make sure I have all the correct up to date information and I'm sure others would benefit with this information as well. Thanks

Ellis, Will you be continuing on the SAP/RSAP 124 thread and discussing how to bet SAP and RSAP?

Thanks for the replies...I added a 4th shoe (I have been observing, recording and writing down my bets for practice not playing for money yet) In the 4th shoe the 1st column looks like S40 to me (High 1s?) but in the 2nd column they unleash two 8 in a rows...then in the 3rd column it starts with a 34 but then the 12's are S40 is that right?

What would be the best way to play these shoes? They are from an online live dealer casino. Shoe #1 B3221411111111 B222121114112 P111111121311 Shoe #2 B1142213213 P32122221 Only recorded up to hand 35 in Shoe #2 Shoe #3 B1223113412 B1233132212 P21242 Shoe #4 B114112311311 B13188 P3412121221 I'm not sure if it matters but this casino uses 6 decks rather than 8 Thanks for any insights.

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While we all are anxiously awaiting updates...Are the tester rules (The 1 page that we got when we pre purchased) not valid anymore? What's the status on them? I think a lot of us are confused by the many many systems and approaches...Am I right in understanding that NOR and MDB are still valid and useful and this 2Hi system is an attempt at simplifying things with a system that can be used almost everywhere? 777

How will this be released for the folks that can't attend the seminar? Will there be a manual or just a forum post with the rules/sample shoes etc...any plans for videos? Is this the same system that Norm used? Does the 2Hi Net Bet System require keeping the SAP count as well? 777

Great explanations! Thank You Sir!

I have a question about the sample games. In game 2, 4 and 6 what is the advanced betting that is used? And what does U1D1, U1D2, U1D2M2 etc mean? There isn't an explanation in the NOR manual. Thanks, 7779311

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At my local casino they have Mini Baccarat where we cannot touch the cards and they shuffle by hand and deal from shoes. I'm not sure how often they replace the cards. Would NOR or MDB work in this situation? The table limits are usually only 10-100 but I enjoy playing there and my concern is that if they see me writing down things (SAP count OR count etc) then they will ask me to leave. Should I be worried about this? Thanks for any insights. 777

Thanks guys for all the helpful tips. I am going to practice daily using real cards and forget about online practice. I'd like to post some shoes with my bets to get some feedback if I'm doing things right. Right now I'm learning NOR. NOR+ and 4D aren't even on the horizon. If I can master NOR with a successful win rate I'll be more than happy! Thanks again guys! 777

kachatz, I really appreciate the honest reply. I will start practicing with real cards and I found some blank scoresheets to use. As far as online practicing...that is something I would be interested in but without actually betting real money (if such exists) I thought online baccarat shuffles after every hands so wouldn't that be worthless to practice the NOR approach with? Thanks again for your time.

Wondering if any of the regulars could suggest some practice tips to work on NOR and the various systems/modes. I know that there are some very good practice software/simulators for Blackjack. Are there any for baccarat? I've read about large groups of recorded shoes like the book 72 days at the baccarat table or the 1000 shoes from the wizard of odds website. Are these good to go through with the NOR approach filling in the OR counts and the correct system? Would this be appropriate to simulate live casino play? Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!

Have the 6 shoes that were discussed in the manual (with a result of +55 units) been posted with hand by hand notes? Also, is there anyplace to download blank scorecards? Thanks

MVS, That's exactly what I was looking for. Thank You! 7779311

Is there any possibility to get a sample table of contents listing for the nor manual? Also, what exactly is NOR+ and is it included with NOR or is it a seperate purchase? Thanks, 7779311

Hi E. Clifton Davis, I think the multiple payment option for PayPal isn't available for my country (Canada) but I would like to split up the payments if this is somehow an option. To be able to consistently win while betting a maximum of 3 units seems amazing to me. Blackjack requires 1-10 spreads or higher and the bankroll required to get a low ROR is huge. What type of player advantage does NOR achieve? Can it relistically get advantages of 2-3%? 7779311

I am interested in the NOR Baccarat system and am wondering if it is based on a progression (ie Martingale)? Is there a sample table of contents available to view for the manual? Does it include chapters on bankroll requirements? I've searched for a detailed review but haven't found much to my satisfaction. To practice, if I were to deal myself shoes at home would this be a realistic way to practice using NOR? I don't want to practice via an online casino. Also, is there any way to split up payments say over a couple months? Are there any videos that are included with the manual? Out of all the baccarat systems that are listed in the forum, is NOR the best (read: can it be the most profitable?) I'm willing to put in the work. I've been playing Blackjack (counting cards) for a long time and to get a 0.5% advantage for the bankroll required is very stressful and seems almost not worth it lol Sorry for all the questions and thanks for any info! Good Cards! 7779311