Hi Ellis ( and any experience player), I already answered where I'm playing it is in post #12. I hope you're okay Ellis...... I cannot see anymore card prep on the table I think that was 15 years back or so. What I can see now is the cards will pass thru a transparent backroom of the casino with casino personnel only allowed. The 8 sealed boxes of cards will arrived on a plastic colored box with lock on it. They will be opened and they will mixed it by hand face down, I think even the used cards they do it that way, the only difference is the used cards they are checking it for crumpled or torn. I’ve no idea what they do if found unusable. I cannot ask questions. It seems everybody does not know anything including the pit bosses. I can see 2 shuffling machines (transparent with green color). After mixing the cards by hand they will load it to that shuffler. I cannot tell how long because all eyes of casino personnel inside is on me. So I get away. …. I don’t wanna be suspected of spying. I think after all this process they will load the bundle of 8 decks to a transparent plastic container with seal. Then this container will go to the table, the pit boss will open it with the dealer beside him/her then any passerby’s player will be asked to cut the cards and the pitboss will get the white card to insert at the end as a marker for the last deal then load the cards to the dispenser. Then the dealer will burn cards according to the first card that will come out. Let say it is a king, he will burn ten more cards accordingly (value of 10) if an ace 1. Then the dealer will deal 2 hands and enter the result in the tote bard (computer electronic board). That’s it, anybody can start playing on this table. BTW the card brand is club angel. Now because of this, I think in your own description of regular, factory pre-shuffled cards, this is not the way. To what I think it is a tampered casino cards. So how can I beat this if NOR will not work on it. Nowadays I’m seeing a lot of this type of shoe. I’m only focusing to NOR only because I’m very new to it. If NOR will not be enough as my equipment what else can I try. Is net betting applicable to this type of shoe? Thanks…………….