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This Europe casino use TWO decks color BLUE and RED. Notice the Pit Boss bring the RED deck and just cut the deck without shuffle.

For reference, i notice that sites from some Asia is paying for host service from Europe Casino and some is using regular size card This casino is using hand shuffle the same deck continuously.

2nd batch of 20 shoes

1st batch of 20 shoes

Online shoes from Asia. Use Red and Blue Decks. Pit Boss bring up sized cards in transparent case when the other shoe is finish. It might be shuffled before the Pit Boss bring the cards. Then dealer use small shuffle machine to shuffle the cards. Each shoe consist of 54 to 70 hands.

Hi Ellis, what we're getting in Malaysia's Casino is different compare to Singapore's Casino. Malaysia is neighboring country of Singapore. In Malaysia Genting Highland Casino has few backrooms in the casino where they shuffle their cards backdoor. Then they bring out their cards in paper box bundle to use at the Baccarat tables with shuffle machine. For low limit no touch tables they use TWO sets of color for the cards and they reuse throughout the day once they send it to the table. Every table's standard play is the dealer burn each card before a hand dealt hence we're getting 53 hands to 62 hands. Except for high limit touch game as they use up all the cards in the shoe. All sort of shoe patterns we're getting here. Mostly are mix hybrid of OTB4L, S40, F, short bias and random. In 30 tables, we might find 1 highly bias shoe. Some shoe is NOR friendly and some shoe is MDB+ friendly which in other word is NOR unfriendly and MDB+ unfriendly. We have 1 section of old casino with around 30 tables and a new section of new casino with 30 tables.

This is a good thread to start. Perhaps it is also good to mention which location you played at.

Yup Ellis... I would also truly appreciate that too. And a new thread dedicated for this purpose without the Q&A there. Thank you & Best Regards, DJ

Yes, only then we can learn better without doing any costly mistake. So far I haven't seen any member embarking on the quest for one million $$$. I guess the confidence level is not there yet to go ahead. Everything is still at the theory level.

I will try those Ba system with my recorded shoes which I have so far. Hopefully Ba system is the solution.

Hi Ellis, The card is prepared in a preparation room. 8 decks arranged....they call it preshuffled. This set of card is then brought to the table and shuffled by the machine before use. 2 set are brought to the table....one in use and the other in the shuffling machine. Cards are changed every Monday and Friday morning. (That explains why I always lose on Fridays because the card preparation is hard. 8 decks of card used here. Every hand, one card is burned (i guess to prevent card counting or something just to make it tougher?) I missed a repeat of 23 players tonite...there are runs of 10 and above taking place at nite...but at select tables.

On certain days i have been seeing less zz runs (1s are less), more of 2s and 3s and some 4s too in some tote boards. With occasionally runs of 6s 7s and 8s. (What system should I be playing - I will get some sample shoes on this) It seems like the shuffling machine is doing all this because I have never seen any new boxes of card being introduced in play.

Hi Ellis, I got access to the MDB just about 2 days back and was go thru the postings. BaS40 and BaS40M1 seem clearly defined. It is good if we can see more sample shoes too on both of this. I was trying to find for info on BaOTB4L but it is either i overlooked or it is not out (not yet clearly defined). Is it going to be on a separate thread like the others? Thanks & Regards

S40 M3 yummy. 123 prog or even better 234 345 prog. I have come across this shoes....rarely. but when it appears....it is a windfall. The Asians know how to play this shoe well. I have seen 2s appearing like this too with no 4+s. Ztomsk, I get your point. Thanks.

Just this Friday, I saw some shoes with 8s and 10s some even with 12s appearing either in the early stage or in the middle of the shoes, where on Wednesday and Thursday it is a less common occurrence. Someday the 1s and 2s are pouring like rain is some of the shoes (long zz runs) but other days it is just like some stuck in your piss pipe. Those bastards are playing it smart, guess I have to play it like you said Ellis, tough days, just exit the casino. And I would say this to the good days, Just milk them!!! Hehe

Thanks Ellis for the reply. However i think a different ball game is occuring at my local casino. You are right, I need to speak to the employee of the casino to get those info. And I need to get the right and consistent answer. As for certain days, I could play NOR and win comfortably as much 40 to 50u in 7 to 10 shoes. But in certain days of the week, i find the card prep looks more like preshuffled, which perhaps S40M1 would be able to overcome. I based this by observing the events in the shoes. Some days it is just less of 3s 4s in a shoes but certain days there are just loads of them with sporadic 1s. Somedays the 2s appears 5 to 6 times a row is between the others event (S40 M2 wins here) whereas on other days, you see some 3s and 4s between the 2s event. (S40M1 prog within a prog 0123 would have won here).

Hey all, I guess the million dollar forum is for preshuffled cards only right? Anyway, i have a few question regarding preshuffled card. I have seen preshuffled card being brought in to my local casino. Therefore I think the usage is somehow somewhat is use at all baccarat table. But I have observe that on certain days that playing NOR, i can win comfortably at the table but certain days it is tough because NOR just doesn't work. There are easily more than 20 tables to choose from, probably it is tough to win on those select days because the card has just been changed to preshuffled cards that morning. By the way each table is equipped with it own shuffling machine (shuffle master brand). These are my questions? 1. Is preshuffled cards mentioned in the million dollar forum, refers to a set of new preshuffled card everytime being introduced to that table everytime when the shoe has finished? 2. How about preshuffled cards that are introduced to that table when they have their routine change of cards, but it is later shuffled by the shuffling machine? Does this mean that the first round of the shoe is preshuffled and probably the few subsequent round still being in the "effect" of preshuffled, but gradually it move out from being in the preshuffled mode? Probably then NOR could be used? We need a clear of preshuffled cards here? I understand (based on reading the forum) that some casino is Vegas are using preshuffled cards...how is the preshuffled cards used there? Is there no shuffling machine at all tables? Thanks & Regards

By the way, anyone here from Malaysia

I'm all for this idea. I have notice lately from the casino that I frequent, the shoes doesn't remain streaky or choppy throughout the entire shoe. It is hard to maintain a single system from the NOR (either S40, OTB4L or F) throughout the whole shoe....because sooner or later, the shoe trend seems to change. I guess the casino have the cards shuffled by the machine in such way. The only way to profit is by a hit and run of +5u per table using NOR. I will try to post some sample games sometime later...hope Ellis or anyone could help to review whether i'm right or wrong about those shoes