[NOR Top Tip Of The Week]

I do keep track of my WL sessions.

,Usually i play 3 shoes, and i am done. This i consider 1 session.

for example if i am at 7W and 1 L.

My next session, i will be very careful, i will try not to play 1,2,3 progressions, maybe FlatBet or 112.

aim to get +4 per shoe, however, if i feel the shoe is not right, i will not change system, rather get +1 or +2 and move on to the next table, or Cut loss at -4.

Usually i will get +1 or +2 per shoe unless i am lucky to get on the run, and i will leave until the runs end.

[NOR Top Tip Of The Week]

It's easy to walk away winning,

It's difficult to walk away losing......

However if successfully cut losses within the session, and walking away losing a bit but not entire session bankroll, it feels good losing as well

After prolonged losing streaks, ..... Gambler mentality kicks in, and chase losses...

Any tips or experience care to share, on walking away losing..?

[NOR Top Tip Of The Week]

Hi All,

Just to share my recent experience.

When i play NOR, i find that alternate between progressions base on the shoe, sometimes 1,1,2 or 1,2,3 or 1,2,1.....

if i play 1,1,2, my stop lost is -4 or -5, take win is +4 or +5 ( it might be more ie. if i am riding on runs, i will ride till the end.)

if i play 1,2,3, my stop lost is -6, take win is +8 or more...

if i play 1,2,1, my stop lost is -6, take win +6 or more....

why 1, 2, 1, ...? if i am winning alot of 1st and 2nd bets, and modes keep changing.. in this manner, i find it easier to handle the 3rd bet. if 1,2,3 progression, higher chances of hitting my stop lost .

most of the time i am playing 112 or 121, and as my target is only +4 or +6

My take win is not high so quite easy to reach..

Just my 2 cents worth...

I just recently got wiped out my entire bankroll built since april , i had my losing streak of 5 sessions in a row, which really wasn't the killer....

I up my bet size, went to the high rollers room and started chasing losses and gambled with no basic discipline... have even reached a point where i pocketted 40 units from a shoe but i continued to play on.... hence sigh.............. " chasing lossses" is a big NO NO.....

and here i am starting from square 1 again, building my bankroll from scratch, but definitely i am a better NOR player now

[Recommendations on when to up my unit bet size]

I do 123 progressions as suggested by manual.

But most of the time it will be 1-2, the 3rd bet if unsure I will NOt bet at all, unless I am very confident on my modes.

My target is only 5 units per shoe, therefore if I wait it out there is still a lot of chance for me to hit my target.

If I lose the whole 123 progression, -6 which is already my stop loss.

RWS have more $25 min tables, And the cards alternating 2 decks are reshuffled and used again.

I find RWS have more NOR tables,

MBS have more messy tote boards, which don't really show much biased

Just my 2 cents worth ...

[Recommendations on when to up my unit bet size]

Hi,

Which casino that you always go?

RWS or MBS?

Would you mind sharing your experience after using NOR at Singapore Casino?

I am usually playing at Rapid Table @ Marinabay Sands

Sometimes its good for NOR, sometimes difficult.

I frequent RWS as I paid annual levy there,

Sometimes I go MBS but always got parking problem.

IN RWS there are $10 min tables, but DONT play that, they are using CSM shuffles machines, they never change cards.

In my opinion, yes NOR sometimes works sometimes don't, but it really depends on your table search. a good table search will get you a good game.

I have tried to follow the stop loss recommend by the manual at 8units, but don't really suit the game in Singapore. Don't you find that the biase change very often??

My stop loss per shoe is 5 units, my take win is at +5, sometimes I will just leave the table at +1 or break even when I feel the shoe is changing.

I enter The shoes about 15plays min, and will never enter when it reached 60plays.

By just altering my targets and stop loss, I manage to build ip the bankroll slowly.

I do have my losing streaks, 5 days in a row hitting my Stop loss.

My winning streaks 10days in a row.. On the average every 3-4 visits I am prepared mentally to take a loss.

[Recommendations on when to up my unit bet size]

Hi everyone,

May I ask when is the recommended time for me to increase my bet size.

I am up by 75units currently or $15,000. Currently at $200/ unit

I bring $2000 or 10units per visit.

For the next increase do I up till $300/400/$500???

How many units before should I move to the next level

I play NOR, and it's working only when I do a thorough table search

Thanks

pS: special thanks to Ellis, I have never reach this level of profit before playing NOR,

Was always in the negative and chasing losses

[Some questions on SAP plays]

Hi there,

2 shoes which I played in Singapore RWS today.

B122211212212

23121121

Took win at 4 units using SAP

Didn't record it in full

Perfect shoes for s40 in my opinion,

B13222711

3321111116

25433

Didn't record the whole shoe as well

Played for a while using SAP

Cut loss at -3 once hit with a chain of opposites.

Waited for a while to see what the shoe is doing, and confirmed that is getting streaky.

This is the kind of shoe where I always encounter. And it is quite common.

I will try my best to search for NOR biase shoes and play SAP.

1 question,

I seen a shoe like this today. Never played just recorded .

b761114

11111113

56531

111111

Perfect TBL shoe,

If i were to play SAP, as 2s is 0

Do I just bet all 1s will stay 1s., and all 3s will go OTR till I lose.

I think this shoe will win a lot of units just by playing SAP.

And this shoe is very very rare, I seldom sees it, more often than not, when I see it , the shoe is about to end.

[Some questions on SAP plays]

In RWS, Singapore,

I find most NOR biase shoe tends to change biase quite often,

If I were to enter play around play 12 as I am still a newbie

Chances of them them changing biase will take place around play 20-30 plus.

Out of 10 NOR biase shoe I play, maybe around 7 shoes change biase , if I am lucky, I would have exited the shoe before the change.

Hence I try to play SAP / RSAP, FLAt bet. Which gives me good a good feel and it's giving me positive results.

There are plenty of tables to choose , even in the morning, I just have to walk some distance to high and low limit areas and there will still be around 20plus tables to choose.,

If I go in the late noon, I think I should have around 70 tables or more to choose from.

I can't really confirm that they are casino pre shuffled cards, but they do have a room with glass windows which we can see through, they keep the preshuffle cards there. My apologies if I have caused some confusion her.

There was also a case of cheating by the dealer in 2013 ( it was in the news)where the dealer memorized the play outcome and signal the players the outcome, if it's factory preshuffled, how would that be possible?

[Some questions on SAP plays]

OK, if I may: Back to the Drumman S40 shoe for a minute.

b113211211221

So I started at play 2 S40 but I don't yet know for sure which mode to play.

But I would only start at play 2 if the prior shoes at that table were also very choppy.

CHOP is mode 3. Streak is Mode 2. so +O/R is Mode 3. - O/R is Mode 2 (to get on the runs quicker)

But I had to decide at a ZERO O/R.

So how did I chose mode 3 so early?

Because so far there are more +signs in the O/R count than minus signs.

In fact, there are no MINUS signs at all when the decision came up.

So the shoe, so far, is favoring + which is Mode 3.

Then SAP confirms Mode 3. From play 5 on 3's are at 4 and 4+s are at 0.

That is Mode 3.

Why? Because S40 Mode 3 LIKES 3s and HATES 4s.

S40 M2 HATES 3s

BTW OTB4L M2 loves 5+ and hates 4s while M3 loves 4s

SAP puts all that information at your disposal.

Is SAP always right?

NOTHING in Baccarat is always right.

We beat shoes by being USUALLY right.

SAP is real world. No matter what shoe type.

SAP tells you exactly what the shoe has done thus far AND

if the shoe changes SAP tells you exactly when it changed and what it changed to.

Back to basics:

SAP tells you what is Hi and what is Lo:

Hi 1's with Hi 2s is ALWAYS S40

Hi 2s esp. with Hi 3s is always OTB4L

Hi 1's with Hi 3s is TB4L

Hi 1's with Hi 4+ is always TB4L

Lo 1's is Repeats

Lo 2s is TB4L

Hi 4+s is TB4L

When nothing stands out as Hi or Lo - that's RSAP

And, of course, we get Strong Side by 2 to 1 or more. F kills.

SAP with O/R gives you ALL that information.

Look, to play Baccarat, you MUST know that table.

It is only 9 short lines plus it is plain common sense.

It covers the whole waterfront.

THAT is how you beat Baccarat.

Hi Ellis,

I am still a bit confused with this shoe If I were to play pure SAP / RSAP.

If I were to enter the shoe at Play 19 betting the 1s will go up to 2s and I loses this bet as it turns out to be another 1s,

This time at play 20 , I will still bet for a repeat as 1s will go up to 2s which is MC, then I loses this bet again as it turns out to be another 1s.

By this time 1s and 2s will be close and almost the same.

Do I change to BET RSAP???

Should I change or should I wait it out?

Am I right that a biased shoe should be played SAP, ?

[Some questions on SAP plays]

Hi everyone,

Some questions,

Eg: B4432141

For my next bet, 1s is the least common, I would bet that it will go up to 2s,

Do I place my bets all the way up till it turn to a 4s, o r do I skip a bet and wait for 2s to become 3s then I start to bet for it to become MC?

Assuming it turns to 4s which is the most common, do I bet otr as it is already the most common?

b113211211221

I find that this shoe is a S40 biased Shoe, but I chose to play SAP on this

I bet that 1s will go up to 2s, however in S40 we always bet on opposites, which should I follow.

Ok I chose SAP, my bet lost as it turn to opposites, and i lost 2 bets in a row as 2 opposites .

Now 1s and 2s are almost equal, I became confused. Should I used RSAP to bet ?

If it is a Nor biased Shoe, and SAP counts near equal, what should my I do?

I am from Singapore, and I play in RWS. They are using pre shuffled cards, but not factory presuffled, they do have a card prep room,

I find that finding a biase shoe, using NOR, or SAP is good enough for me.

I did saw a few ladies recording SAP in the score card, and I think that are MDB players there. Saw the progressions they used. And sipping tea, most of the time they don't bet ...

I think there is a mixture of the NOR and MDB shoes in Singapore RWS...

Got a hint from a two dealers which are quite chatty, they told me best is to leave the shoe before 50 plays, and enter the shoe around play 10,

She says most of the time, the shoes will change patterns after play 50.....

Still building my Bankroll slowly, but thank God I am still in the positive region,

thank you guys in advance for your valuable advise..

[New member want to say hello and ask some questions.]

Thanks for the reply,

After some soul searching and looking up the manual and forum ,I knew that I wasn't doing a table search patiently n correctly, I tried to rush things through...

I know that it will take some time for me to regain confidence and bankroll again.

Hope to post some great updates on my progress again.

Nor is a great approach, and discipline should be my biggest hurdle..

[New member want to say hello and ask some questions.]

Hi There,

May i ask you pros, how many losing shoes before you call it a day?

Say following the strict stop loss at -8units.

I just lost 50 units yesterday lost 5 shoes at -8

And 10 units was lost when doing a table search.

Thanks for the advise

[New member want to say hello and ask some questions.]

Hi There,

May i ask you pros, how many losing shoes before you call it a day?

Say following the strict stop loss at -8units.

I just lost 50 units yesterday lost 5 shoes at -8

And 10 units was lost when doing a table search.

Thanks for the advise

[New member want to say hello and ask some questions.]

Hi there,

I am a NOR player, just joined last week and practised playing it for about a week or so in my local casino.

Before my purchase, I am playing my version of tbl, and otb4l.. Not really performing, I would say plus minus didn't win or lose much, over a few months .

Sometime back I was playing my version of modified martingle, and it was quite well for a good few months before a big losing streak.

for NOR

It have been quite a good week, first day+ 20 units, 2nd day+ 22 units, 3rd day +6 units, 4th day -6

My 3rd and 4th day, I wasnt in a good shape, as it is quite stressful especially a good few hours in the casino..

Basically , in my opinion, it

NOR is a very good system, previously I got 2 other systems, but it's not my style.

As what Ellis said, serious bac players will eventually end up in BTC anyway.

currently I have some problems and might need some of your expertise help,

While searching for table, I usually try to begin on maybe around 12- 20 games.

I will do 1 imaginative bet, then follow by flat bet 1 unit to test it out first. However I end up losing 2 units or 3 units after 3 games or so,

Thereafter I walked away. Now I am down by 3 units and will go and search for another table again..

Sometimes after a few games in the shoe, I feel that the system is changing, and I am losing slowly, I will walk away maybe -2/-3 units and start table searching again

So all in all, I am already down by -5/-6 units.

Any advise for this? Am I doing it right? Is there a better way to do the above?

Thanks for the help