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Ellis: excellent post! I became NOR member in Jan this year and lived in Cincinnati. OHIO. I never lose one section in 25 times. You really improved my play skill. This is for sure. But since I back to Chicago. I lose almost all. And I know I did not follow all your rule. I need learn more and post shoe in future.

Thanks, Ellis I live in Chicago. There are four major casino here. They all use regular card. Yes NOR shoe sometimes. A few MBD, Mostly mixture. That is important to SAP. I will became to U2 Hi member. I have job and busy. When in casino, I am impatience and lost displine. How to practice it ? I know follow all your rule. It will easily beat casino.

[quote=E. Clifton Davis;484g horn, if you are not trying to start a fight, why are you starting a fight? You could have politely asked "How do you know the cards are casino preshuffled? Factory comes to the table in a sealed and numbered bundle. Casino preshuffled comes to the table unsealed. Everybody here knows that. Also, you can simply ask. We have always been told that Singapore was factory Yet while MDB+ beats factory in both Vegas and Macau It has yet to do well in Singapore. That made us wonder about Singapore cards. We were suspicious of them. Now we know why. THAT is big news. Singapore members have been asking and asking: What system should we play? And we've been at a loss to tell them - until now. My strong advice to Singapore Players is play SAP/RSAP Because SAP tells you precisely the best system to play in the shoe at hand AND what mode to play it in AND When to switch systems when necessary - and that comes up a lot in Singpore. When you play SAP you bet on wider dispersion - that the highest counts will continue upwards and the lowest counts will stay lowest. You can do that if you want and I hope you don't need a map. It's a very good 6 unit system. The point I'm trying to make is the best use of SAP against Regular cards is to play the systrem SAP tells you to play in the mode SAP tells you to play it in. Now and then you might get a Neutral shoe and SAP tells you that All your SAP counts run close together. Fine! That is when you play RSAP: Some of the guys are already playing SAP/RSAP From the instructions posted on two different forums How to play SAP/RSAP in which forums, Where are there?