mjmtong

If you are playing a particular way and LOSING. Change the way you are playing because the OPPOSITE MUST BE TRUE!

Oz. Please allow me to lay down some "history" of my own study's and observations of "things" and the game of "Baccarat". Their is absolutely no doubt in my mind that "History Does Repeat"; and to expand on that a little more (and I respectfully say nothing "new" here - because it has already been "stated & quoted" again and again many, many times), is to say that: "Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past, are destined to repeat them". As far as the game of Baccarat is concerned this applies "Oz.course" (sorry mate couldn't help the "pun") to the way that he (Oz.) approaches his game, as well as the way we all should. Now before any of you think that I am any where near "the level" of this "quoted" (not by me..) "Madman", allow me to "pause" here and make it very clear that I am not. What I am is a dedicated "Student" of the game who looks to learn from the "many" ways that this game can be played. Note I said "many", because there is NO single "mechanical system" that will beat this game. What then does make a "difference" is that you MUST adjust your "Way" of play according to the particular shoe that you are playing "at any particular" point in time, and this is NOT F'...ng easy. Again, please do not think that I am any kind of a Baccarat "guru" here (is there even such a thing?), because "hell no" I am not. I joined this forum about a year and a half ago as an "MDB" subscriber, because it seemed to me at that time that "MDB" was a "pretty decent" way to approach the game. Now, having been "introduced" to B.T.C. and then the "benefits" of its vast forum content via that, my learning "experience" only began at that point. "To become great" - it has been quoted, you must learn from the "greats". BUT you can only become really "good"; as it has also been stated, after dedicating yourself to learning/studying/applying/practicing "something" for around 10,000 hours of actually doing it. You see, so many "fall by the wayside" of becoming successful in ANY endeavor they start out at because they have not accumulated those necessary "hours" of "learn.ed experience". Oz., some-how I think I understand a little something about the "study" that you have put into the "study" of your 8000+ shoes. Have I put in my 10,000 hours of Baccarat study yet? No. (but I am getting there - has Oz.?..yes I think so - but only he really knows that) I believe, as you already know, that no "formally learned" qualification: eg. doctor, lawyer, western.australian.oil.rig.worker..etc. can come close to the income that a dedicated "student" of this game can make. Food for thought people, and cheers to you Oz. for being an "over-qualified" exponent (Madman) of this game who is openly willing to try to pass on his own "experiences" so as to help others become better at THEIR game.

Hello everyone. Great post Oz. Extremely well done and good on ya’ mate. On behalf of the entire B.T.C. membership, I think I can confidently pass on a BIG THANK-YOU to you for all your hard work and for all the contributions you have made in here over many years. As you say, I guess it helps to “look back” and reminisce at times, but I think that is an understatement in your “particularly unique” case.? Oz a "Madman".....na.! "Crazy Persistent" and "Slightly more than a Little Obsessed" would be more like it. Oz. you mentioned a great man in your opening post, so here is one of his great quotes: “Genius is 1% talent and 99% percent hard work.” ~ Albert Einstein But there are others who also have had this to say: "I am a nut, but not just a nut.” ~ Bill Murray & “The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.” ~ Bruce Feirstein & “Insane people help humanity. They make others “appear” normal. ~ Anonymous” & finally consider the following:

How the Casinos WILL Cheat us with their “Electronic Shufflers” Hello every one. Take a look at this YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APuWdib1hEU Here is a video YouTube video “Published” on March 25 2015. I think it is from a Casino employee / consultant that “warns” Casinos about how their own equipment “can be compromised”. The video shows how, “if” you can get this “Electronically Controlled” shoe into a Casino, a “Player” (and/or his team) can gain a HUGE advantage over the house by simply knowing (BEFORE IT IS DEALT) what the 1st Card drawn out of the shoe (to the “Baccarat Player Side”) would be. (see table below) Now consider this. What if us “Honest Players” turn up to a Casino to play Baccarat and they decide to use this “Technology” against us. Using this type of “Roller” technology, all a Casino has to do is look (via their OWN legally employed “Surveillance Room” personnel) at how many “DOLLARS” are ACTUALLY being bet on Player vs. Banker and “CONTROL” what card comes out 1st to the PLAYER side or the BANKER side. (as the case may be) All they have to do IS “Roll UP” and Hold the 1st Card or the 2nd or the 3rd or HOWEVER MANY cards it takes…AND then “Release” an “appropriate” 1st card out of the shoe to the Player Side (or the Banker side) – WHICHEVER side would favor a “House” win based on the % table shown above. How many shoes do we see these days that DO NOT come out of “some kind” of “Electronic” shoe. Gone are the days where (in the majority of cases these days) 8 or 6 “individual Decks of 52 Cards” are brought to the table and “shuffled” in front of us, then put into a “SIMPLE TRANSPARENT PLASTIC SHOE” and then dealt to us. IT just don`t happen anymore (i.e. in the “majority” of Baccarat games dealt these days) right? “Pre-Shuffled” cards are delivered in “sealed” plastic containers and/or Cards are “Reshuffled” by “MACHINES” that we have NO IDEA about how or who “programs” them or not? Well “why” might this be so? The Casinos WILL do everything in their power to make sure that PROFITS are maintained and or “ENHANCED” via any means necessary. Think about his for a moment. CASINO PROFITS. Are the Casinos a Business? Yes. What is the “PRIMARY purpose” of a business? It is to make a PROFIT. Large Casinos these days are mostly “publicly listed” on Stock Exchanges worldwide. What do “Stock Holders” want – a “Return” on their investments. What is the PRIMARY responsibility (I hope) of these listed “Casino Company`s”, it is to provide an “investment return” to their shareholders. What is the “fix” for us who seek an “Honest Game” against the “House”. Well that would be to tell the “World” about this and “hope” that they would listen. What are the “chances” of successful “Boycott” against ALL “Casinos Games” that come “out of some electronically controlled device”? Well that would be the “ideal” – but as all of know (or should) “ideals” and “real life” are two very different things. What the Casinos ALREADY know is that a “Boycott” answer to “their cheating” will never happen (or don`t they..haha!) because no matter what, how, where or how hard anyone tries to “convince” or “persuade” anyone otherwise, members of the “General Public” will ALWAYS look for places to “Gamble” and the Casinos KNOW THIS. I would say to those perhaps more “educated”, that anywhere you see “Electronically Controlled” dealing devices, STOP GAMBLING – DON’T PLAY.. & INVEST your hard earned money instead in the “Stock” of the Casinos offering such games instead. Good “luck” everyone.

Hi BacPlayer. Regarding playing MDB+ (using the w2fast rules) The best way to play it is to "Enhance the Probability" of a successful bet placement. Oz. (his "Mentor" and the great Norm.A) have ALL said and EMPHASIZED that you should NEVER FORGET to CONSIDER what the actual SS (Strong Side) IS as the shoe is played through. eg. P vs B is the easiest because it is shown on the tote board. Say you look at it and it shows P 10 and B 18. Banker clearly IS SS (Strong Side) here in this example...easy right! Now say that the very next hand happens to be a MDB+ bet that calls for a Banker bet. Here you have a perfect example of "Combining" what SS ACTUALLY is with a called for MDB+ bet....see that! Now what if the MDB+ bet called for a Player bet and the SS was Banker. Well you don't have to bet do you?...WAIT IT OUT...or...reduce the bet size by half on that bet...so that you reduce your risk. This is what it is ALL about, "Follow the Shoe"...you CANNOT play this game like a ROBOT. You must "Combine SHOE HISTORY with your Bets placements". (thank you Oz.) Now take this up to another level. What are OPPOSITES doing vs. REPEATS?...which one is winning the most....and COMBINE the SS (Strong Side) DOMINANT one of those with MDB+....do you SEE NOW how that "Enhances" the PROBABILITY of a Win. Work on incorporating the SS (Strong Side) into WHAT EVER BET SELECTION method you use and you WILL be amazed at how this will improve your game.

Hi Pando. All of the above intended in good humor. Just joking of "Oz..course"....hahahaha! Yep, all that cold weather and rain that you endure makes it all the more important to pursue good productive "indoor" endevours...like Casino Baccarat ! Hey way', Golf in N.Z. can be very "Wet". Feb. is..ok, as far as not being too cold is concerned, but be sure not to forget to "Pack" good wet weather gear. Also be sure to bring good water proof "Golf Shoes", but if you happen to forget them, don't worry..the N,.Z. Golf Pro Shops always have a great and plentiful supply of "Wellies" (rain boots) !

Oz...but..on the "flip side"...here you go ! Poor Kiwi's...always seem to getting "screwed" by the Aussies' !

Hello Pando. N.Z. is a very beautiful country. You have great food, very good wines and top food. The beer is not too bad either. Allow me to support you "a wee bit" from the "cultural attacks" initiated from Oz. (might help dowse down that "fire" of his...ha ha!)

Oz...."we cannot afford to be politically correct any more"...(recent..t.r.u.m.p..q.u.ote.!)..Good on ya Mate! One of the greatest things to achieve in Life is to become successful in what ever we do. That means it doesn't matter whether you "build the best sand castles", "paint better than da vinci", or can "fight better than Muhammad Ali ", some "Cunt" will unfortunately always try to "cut you down". The fortunate flip side to this, is that in the majority of times, it is the "f....ng..bastard" who is "having a go at you", that turns out to be the REAL "loser"! I am absolutely "flabbergasted" and "dumb founded" about the news you have just "passed on" to us. You are right on "the button" here Oz. "Sarcastic old bastards" are ok. We can all have a bit of "fun" with guys like this. "Poke" a liitle humor here, rub a little wax "on and/or off" over there. Who has'nt "joked around" with the older members of our community's (old farts..oops!) like this from time to time? But when they become "Malicious and Vindictive old bastards"..well then Oz., they don't deserve your friendship any more. I think I should end my "comment" about your unfortunate experience this way. The guy most likely finds himself in the following situations:

Hi Oz. Thank you for your wonderfully detailed explaination. There is "truck loads",..Ozzie slang to mean.."tons",..further broken down to mean.."a very lot" of information to study here. I am sure that I can say on behalf of everyone following this thread that we cannot thank you enough for this absolutely fantastic material. To help present the shoe result out comes in "one place", I am placing what I feel will help people do this below. Cheers!

Hello everyone and hey XDotNet, good post and absolute FANTASTIC infographic! I loved reading it. I think it should help anyone understand how and why "incorrect" decisions occur. The tricky and difficult part is to "apply it correctly"..AND all of the time...ha.ha..(as you pointed out) As "mere humans" we just naturally have a tendency to just fuck things up. Some "humans" have a tendency to fuck things up very successfully. At the baccarat tables, our job is NOT to "screw up" (enough of the f.... word). How do we do that. We LEARN. How do we learn correctly. We learn from "History" and by "Experience". Remember the quote: "Those who are not willing to learn from the mistakes of the past, are destined to repeat them". Do I have all the answers, hell no! (see, "hell" word now..not the f....word) Am I in search of a few "relevant and correct answers" that will help my game..fuck yes. (oops!) I\we are all fortunate enough to be a part of this B.T.C. Baccarat community. We REALLY are fortunate enough to be given the opportunity of learning from some of the best players in the world on here who thankfully are willing to "share" with us humble "mere humans" what they have learned from their own extensive study and experience gained from years of playing Baccarat. The truly great pro. baccarat players become "that good" because of their ability to NEVER stop learning and APPLYING correctly what they obtain from studying the "History" of the game. This very importantly includes a "Historic review" of their own actual results. After countless months and years of doing this AND actual Casino play they develop the EXPERIENCE by which they are able to successfully arrive at their OWN correct conclusions which they then insert into their OWN way of play. This is kind of why you just cannot ask these guys questions like: "can you please tell me your system and what are the rules?, and p.s. please provide your answer in (for example) "x pages" or less.". The thing is, there is NO simple "x..pages or less." answer that can be given to questions like this (except a "suitably rude" one) because there is NO one SINGLE SYSTEM that can be played against ALL shoes ALL the time that WILL actually WIN in the long term. It just AIN'T going to happen! After learning the "basics" of how to correctly play S40, OTB4L, F, (and knowing that you are able to play them in various "Modes") then learning to be aware of any "SS"(Single Side) bias or dominance of: PvB, Op.v.Rpts, Otb4l.v.Tbl events occurring as the shoe is played (and also being aware of MDB+ scenarios) the "ART" is then being able to "correctly put it all together" to arrive at YOUR next bet placement decision (and how much to bet on it). "If" you are not sure whether to make the next bet or not, then "Wait it Out" and DO NOT place a bet. Its about effective "Short Term Bias" identification AND then combining that, with what the shoe has "thus far" produced (Shoe "History") That, in my humble opinion, is what "Follow the Shoe" means and IS all about. To me, provided the bastards don't cheat you, it doesn't matter what type of card prep. the casino decides to use before they put the cards into their shoes, pre-shuffled, hand shuffled, machine shuffled etc. (way2fast has commented previously that he was able to "beat" different shuffle types using MDB+, despite it being "designed" to be played on "pre-shuffled" cards) So, in summary, UNLESS you CAN correctly identify that "tree in the forest" that meets YOUR specific requirements - DON'T even think about starting the Chain Saw!

Hello all. I am having a great "chuckle" (laugh here) with the comments made from the pros about 345 & 678. But, wait theres more ! "Don't forget to ONLY step up into betting the 345 (or the 678) after you are ahead in the shoe AND you are winning the majority of your 1st bets of your (neg.) progressions AND always quit at +5 with a Stop of -8 or -10 depending on your risk tolerance and thats it. Thats your million dollar system!" Sorry, guys...could'nt help myself.... a good laugh is what we all need at times !

One of the hardest things about "Starting Out" is that you get access to all this great stuff on here and the "temptation" is always to want to go and play it too soon after you "think" you have an understanding of it, when in "reality" you should do just the opposite. You have to "resist this natural temptation" to want to "play it too soon". How do you get to a level of "correct understanding", well you have to study hard and then study some more. I think there is not a single player in this forum who has not been "confused" at some point when trying to get a "handle" on this game. In fact I think I safely say that the really good/great players are the ones who strive to build on their understanding of the game. By that I mean that you have to constantly "review" your method of play and then ask yourself "could I have done something different here", "would it have been better had I..WAITED that scenario or situation out" ("If in Doubt, Wait it Out"- Norm.) Clarity and those "ah ha - great" moments will come, but they will only come to YOU provided you put in the necessary time to practice, study and review. There is only one true measure of success in this game and that is your results. If your results show that are losing money, then YOU are doing something "in-correctly", and guess who is the going to "correct" that? This forum exists for many reasons (right Keith) There are a lot of good people here that can provide you with advise and help answer your questions, but it is up to you to learn from that advise and those answers. You ARE going to have "tough times" when playing this game and your job is to learn how to "manage and navigate" your way through them. "Stick with it"..don't give up..if you dont understand something WE are here to help you..but in the end, you are the one ultimately responsible for helping youself.

What a game! What a great bunch of people contributing here! It IS inspiring to be able to learn from the best! In the end it up to the individual to DO the necessary work and the "hard yards". A wonderful bit of advise about learning ANYTHING that I heard years ago is: "Don't wish it was easier, wish you were better". Learn correct Play and correct Money Management and then, as has been said by so many "Greats" (in whatever field of endevour) KEEP working at it! "The key is not the will to win… everybody can clain to have that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important.” - Bobby Knight (Legendary Basketball Coach)

Thank you to all who have shared their thoughts (and to Brad of course who started this thread) about “Progressions”, “Money Management” and “Bank Size” relative to the “Unit Size” (ie.RISK) they are willing to “Put Out There” on the Tables when they Bet on: “How the Cards Fall”. I hope that this has got ALL of us thinking more about the “Downside” risks, MORE than about the “Upside” gains. Professional Players & Investors in the “Money Markets” all know what way2fast is talking about. Kudos to way2fast for his great relevant reply. It shows the mark of a “Pro.” when you get a quality reply like that where he goes into details about “Managing Risk” via “Max. Units” permitted to be bet vs. “Capital at Hand”. Oz…come on…”Please Don`t be Shy” (mate)….let’s hear some more good “.James.&.Kerry.Packer.”..stories..and then after that, some “Good.Oil” from you on the importance of this “Money. Management” stuff..? (please) Of course thanks to ALL who reply about here about their bet selection methods, money management and experiences. This is “great stuff” people, keep the discussion going. There is NO substitute for experience period! (right Oz.?) The more “correct” way of doing things that you are able to get exposure to, the more likely you will learn from those experiences. Oh..and don`t forget to have just a little bit of fun along the way, BUT not at the expense of your Bankroll !

Hi everyone, great discussion and words of wisdom being shared on this thread, love it! "How the Cards Fall" will of course make a difference to how much you Win, but also on how much you Lose. Kudos to you Oz for emphasizing time and time again that it is the "Money Management" side of the game (and the discipline to follow it) that really matters in the long run. The subject of what "Stop Loss" and "Stop Wins"; ie. playing until a specific Loss or Win Target amount is reached in a shoe, is very important and perhaps should become the beginning of a new "Thread" on it own. Bankroll Size & "Draw Down" is another suject that particulary interests me. Your long term "survival" in this game is determined not by how many "ups" you have, but how you are able to handle the "downs". You must have a large enough Bankroll to be able to "live through" the enevitable "Draw Downs" that WILL come your way. Like way2fast said in this thread, he played MDB+ for 1 & 1/2 years and "achieved his goal", but he also says that he "changed" from initially playing the 124 Neg.Prog. to not using it any longer (but he didn't say what he "changed to"..?). The reason for that "change" I suspect is called "Draw Down" AND the ability to recover from it. So, having said that, could we please have some more discussion, words of wisdom and advise please from say way2fast or Oz. (and any other "long term" survivors...LOL) on what Bankroll Sizing (in "Units") they actually use (relative to the units they play) and the "real life" "Draw Downs" that they have actually experienced (or have made "plans" to experience)?

Hello everyone, Re. the "B11252411111(10)1212122414113" in Pando's recent post. Could someone please explain to me what the "(10)" in the middle there means.? Thanks.