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I saw this ad on career builder for a position in Atlantic City with Shuffle Master, a maker of automatic shuffle machines. I think the first line in the companies ad explains it all. It is below. Shuffle Master, Inc. is a gaming supply company specializing in providing its casino customers with improved profitability, productivity and security, as well as popular cutting-edge gaming entertainment content, through value-add products in four distinct categories: Utility Products which includes automatic card shuffler, roulette chip sorters and intelligent table system modules, Proprietary Table Games which include live table game tournaments, Electronic Table Systems which include electronic multi-player table game platforms, and Electronic Gaming Machines which include traditional video slot machines for select markets. Shuffle Master is included in the S&P Smallcap 600 Index.

Thanks for replying. So how long did you go on playing everyday before you backed off? Do you always play that way? You started out net betting OvR then went to F-3 and then back to net betting. Correct? I really appreciate someone that has had so much success enlightening us that are just getting our feet wet. So you subscribe to the idea of betting out of a larger bankroll and going for small unit wins of just 5-10 a week?

Has anyone heard from Kiddo? Last April he posted results from playing everyday with a 50 unit daily goal. I remember he was very successful and had increased his bet size to $160 units. He had a graph showing results from Jan to April. I haven't seen a post from him since. Although if I was winning $8000 a day I wouldn't be posting here anymore either.

I do agree. I attended the seminar last year in Pa. and I know net betting from way back when I first joined the forum. But as you stated you can net bet a lot of different things. OvR, PvB etc. I actually was in AC the Saturday of the seminar and ran into Keith at Bally's. Since I went to the seminar last year I didn't think there was a need to attend another but if you are going to promote new ideas at each one then I guess it is something to consider. Since AC table minimums are in the $20-$25 range and I can play online for as little as $5, online is more convenient. Not to mention the 1 hour drive each way for me. So any improvements for online play you have I would be interested in learning and even willing to pay a little more money for. The nice thing about Bet Phoenix is that you can constantly go online to check out the shoes and see what they are doing. For us to have someone like you to be able to go online and tell us what to play would be great. You could charge for a service like these stock pickers do. You could use tweets or text and update us on good shoes and how to play them while they are in progress. Just a thought!

Ellis, I've been a member of the forum for about 5 years now and think that you and Keith have been great and very informative. When I first joined we were doing the net-bet thing and then we stopped and got into other things which have now evolved to NOR. Are you saying that you were holding out some information on net betting back then that you now want to charge for or is this something new to net betting that you haven't used before. I've often wondered if you play the same way you teach us (which is very good) or are there certain tricks that you still keep to yourself( which you have every right to do). I like to play online since I can bet lower amounts and don't have to travel but notice on BP that a shoe will start out the first 20 plays s-40 then switch to F and then switch to OTB4L all in the same shoe. Will this new net betting help us to combat this situation?

I was channel surfing today and saw a show on casino gambling. Very interesting. They were talking about a Russian Casino that got beat pretty bad by a group of Americans in BJ. They immediately installed card shuffling machines to stop the threat of getting beat bad again it was stated. What does that tell you. They went on and more or less stated that casino's use shuffle machines to produce the results they want. They had several casino experts on such as Stanford Wong. Anyone who thinks the shuffle machines produce random cards should see this show. It was on "the Green Channel".

Keith, I also can not access NOR forum. It says I do not have permission. I am 3 year lifetime member.

Here is the lastest on the guy that won over $10 million in 4 months in AC. http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/07/05/070511-news-blackjack-1-5/

Buy World Class Blackjack, New Blackjack or Zero Proximity by Ellis which are sold here. There are many professional players that use these methods with great success.

There was a story on most of the Philly news last nite about a man who has won over 15 million playing BJ in AC. The Trop reported that he has won $1.8 million from them. Here is a link. http://www.kmov.com/news/off-beat/Man-wins-millions-after-years-of-gambling-122433389.html So much for the theory by all the nit wits that they can't be beat. Maybe Dweezel wants to wait another 6 months, before he believes it can be done. Once you win $15 million whats left, just retire.

Ellis, I have been fooling around with an idea. I think that we should track losses of events rather than just losses of bets when we consider making a change. The systems are designed to win against certain events and lose to others so rather than just 2 or 3 bet losses in a row we should only consider when we lose 2 or 3 events in a row. This would mostly be used with OTB4L since sometimes you can lose a bet without losing the event.

Let me get this right ! If you have it all figured out that it is impossible to beat baccarat then what the hell do you keep coming back to this site and other bac site like Marks. Stop wasting your time unless your point is to just be a pain in the ass which is what I think your real enjoyment is. If I thought it was a waste of time playing bac I certainly wouldn't frequently continue to visit baccarat sites. We respect your opinion now just GO AWAY !

using your example. at hand #12 the SAP chart (1-2-3-4) would read 3-4-0-4. Since there were 3 ones, 2 two's, no threes and one 4 or more. at this point three would be LC and two's and fours tied for MC. at the end of hand #20 it would read 5-8-3-4. providing that the last hand completed that event.

We track events. 1's in a row (bp) two in row ( BBPP) 3 in a row (BPPPB) etc. There is a frequency of events in a typical 8 deck shoe. on average there are 18 one in a rows,9 two in a rows, 4.5 three in a rows and 2.25 four 0r more in a rows. That's why we have the 1-2-3-4 columns, to track those events. They are weighted. 1's are worth 1, two's are worth 2 etc. So if you have a score such as 9-6-3-4, one's (9) would be MC (most common) and three's (3) would be LC (least common)). We use this information to make decisions on bet placement on how the shoe is playing.

Jerseyslim, I've been following your exploits. Still having success? How are you playing ? Are you playing the same in the casino as bet phoenix ?