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davem

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  1. What forum(s) do you need help on? Glad to help !!
  2. WEll I am hanging in and i can tell i am learning. but here is a shoe from Zumma that got me a little confused. Here's the hi-lites: I start with S40. I made a mistake by betting 2 units after my first 1 bet loss - (dont bet 2 until you win on a 1). I confirm mode 2 at play 5. I lose on mode 2, and therefore confirm mode 3 at play 8. I lose on mode 3 and therefore conform mode 2 at play 13 I SKIP OTR at play 16 as its the same B run (learned that from your last post, Ellis, thank you) and it works out. but still Mode 2 RIGHT??? I win on a mode 2 on play 21 confirming mode 2 again I lose on Mode 2 at play 33 and therefore conform mode 3. So I lost 3 units playing mode 2 so I bet 1 unit on player and I LOSE. So technically I lost 2 bets 3 units and 1 unit. so I am mode 3 so I should do 2 units on Player, right?? now I was down way past my stop earlier in the shoe. If this was real, I would have quit - but want to clarify all of this and see if I could have done better on the first column. It's worth noting that at play 26 I was -7 on the O/R count.. Where do you make the decision to go to F from S40??? -5? -7? is there a line in the sand here?? Either way - feel free to TEAR Me apart - no other way to learn, right ? :) [ATTACH]2399[/ATTACH]
  3. Well i must say - working through this one shoe is quite the learning experience. THANK YOU. I will replay the shoe again, today... THen I am going to apply what I learned and replay a few other shoes first and see if I am picking it up! I figure once I have S40 down the big part then is learning when/if to switch systems, and when to progress to a 234 opposed to a 123 4 and just keep moving on... THanks guys - more questions to come FOR SURE I am glad this is helping the newbies - learn from my mistakes!!! David
  4. Hi Ellis, I hate to beat a dead shoe - but I need a little clarification - but I am coming along I get that play 19 confirms mode 2. In other words, after two losers, we go OTR. Play 21, 22 both lose, so should we not bet on the P on play 23? You played the banker for 3 units, I played the Player as I am understanding that we go OTR after 2 losers. IF thats true - well my 3rd bet lost, so I need to go to mode 3. Right?? SO down on play 32 you went 3 units on Player - thats mode 2? I went banker, and I know it cost me 6 units, but if the 3rd bet lost we switch modes, hence mode 3 on play 32?? So were you not playing mode 3 on play 23?? Sorrry Ellis, I truly think I am close - I have been thinking this over for 2 days - and trying to understand this part of the shoe. Again, I see my mistakes earlier in the shoe - but I cant pick it up on these plays.... David [ATTACH]2398[/ATTACH]
  5. Ellis, THis helps a lot. I am going to absorb it, and replay the shoe. I have a question though really quck Say I lose 1, 2, so I go OTR for Mode 2. Do I bet 3 or do I bet 1 unit? If it's 3, and that loses I know I go back to opposites, but would I then place a one unit bet or a 4 unit bet (assuming I want to go up to 4) That will help me a bit! Thanks Ellis - this helps alot. I will have a few more shoes though - but I think it will help all of us anyways - so its a good thing. A couple more shoes with you overviewing it and I think i'll have it! Have a biz-trip in Vegas the first week of August w/ alot of free time - hoping to have this down a bit more :)
  6. Ellis, One more question. I am understanding that we do 123 4 - meaning the first time its a 4 unit bet we dont play 4 units - do we play 1 unit or not play? But in any event we dont play the 4 unit until we would have seen a 4 unit bet win. If that is correct, here's my question: On Play 20 - you bet 4 units and that put you at +6 - but if we are playing 123 4 - why would you bet 4 there? Buddy I've studied this forum, manual, etc for a long time... Please let me know what I am missing.... Thanks David
  7. Ellis, I have a question about the way you played this. I am sitting here playing this out. I understand you started on Mode 3 as we started out strong opposites. You confirmed that by playing Mode 3 on Play 20 - We lost on Play 17,18,19 so you went 4 on P. BUT on play 32 You went on the run after only 2 losers. Lost 1 on play 30, lost 2 on play 31, so if its mode 3 should we have not bet 3 on B? Your results showed 3 on Player ? I realize where my mistakes are up to this but I stopped at Play 31 as how I understand it we are on Mode 3 so I should be having a 3 bet on Play 32 which loses - but you have a 3 on Player.. so confused a bit on this one.... It is worth noting that I did get to a +10 prior to play 32 so I would technically be done.. but would still like clarification on this, please - then I'll continue the shoe and post it David
  8. Gonna work on it today... getting confused on a couple points, but going to try to work through it first
  9. Hi Ellis, Good morning - and thank you. I will be gone most today but I will replay this out when I get back about 4PM today.. -David
  10. Ok guys. Doing a lot of practice. I learn better with actual experience. So this weekend I headed down to Seminole and played a few shoes. Below is a shoe I played. I know there is a better way to play this shoe. I belive if Ellis, or one of the "brains" could give me a little play by play that would help me greatly. Couple of notes & questions Hand 6 - I lose 2 hands in a row. I then go OTR for 2 bets. Both bets lose so I know we are in Mode 3 all shoe (in NOR manual says let the shoe tell you). I realize now that my 2nd OTR bet should not be an OTR bet as the first lost. BUT - I played S40 so opposite of the winner was Player again - so it's an opposite bet.. Is this correct? If not, what am I missing? Hand 13 - I played 2 units on P. B would have been the opposite, and it would have won. However, I chose Player as my 3's were LC - but I think I am mis understanding this LC/MC concept that I read in the S40 manual. Are there any more shoes on this forum that have a little more "play by play? - in any event what should I have done here? Hand 20 - I went OTR here. I determined that we had to be in Mode 3 as I lost Mode 2 (correct?) so I bet 1 unit - should I have bet more here? In any event - it won. Mode 3 we do OTR one bet so I moved right back to S40 - I then lost 2 more consecutive bets and I went back OTR on hand 23 (it lost) and then S40 had me in opposites - so Player again - it lost too. So i am CLEARLY struggling here - I love Ellis's comments about nobody being left behind - so I really need some help with this. Again - a little clarity here and I think I will progress much more... and then I will take what I learned from this shoe, and you guys and apply it to my other played shoes -- REALLY taking this serious! Thanks in advance and ANY and ALL comments are greatly appreciated! There is 2 scans below [ATTACH]2396[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]2397[/ATTACH]
  11. Very Nice! Thanks Ellis. Figured this is a marathon, not a sprint. So learn the OR Count, Learn the SAP, Learn it all piece by piece and build from there! Thank you sir! Dave
  12. THank you Ellis. Will read more tonight. I've been doing practice on just opposites and making sure I have it all correct. I am going to post more later, but I suppose I'll put them in the S40 section. Anyone have a chance to look at my cards to see if my counts are correct? Thanks !!
  13. Hi guys, Just picked up the NOR manual today... and I am a bit confused. So taking it step by step. The first thing I realized from reading NOR was that I need to know S40 / F / OTB4L I have the S40 Manual and reading that now (and I have some questions below) Question: Where do I find manuals, or specific rules for "F" and "OTB4L" - they are discussed in the NOR manual, but I think that is premised with the reader already knowing it, which I dont. Anyone send me a URL or PDF, please? Question: What does "F" Stand for? and for that matter what does PvB stand for? Couldnt find either searching the site Question: I lived in Vegas 10 years ago and played a lot of bac (wasnt doing well). Anyways I read on these forums that brand new cards are a good thing. With that said, many casinos (in Vegas) Have Big Bacc where the players touch the cards and they use brand new cards every shoe (at least they did back then) is it then a good idea to play those tables, if possilbe?? Moving on: In the S40 Manual I am learning how to do OR and the manual says to practice betting opposites for a few shoes. Below are my scorecards, would you mind critiquing them and letting me know if my OR and opposite bets are correct? These are some WAY old shoes I save (10 + years ago). I realize one shoe has horrible results. To my understanding NOR will solve that. In any event I am not at that part yet - just need to know if I am doing OR and opposite betting correctly - If so, i'll move on to the next step of learning S40 - then on to F and OTB4L Score Card 1: [ATTACH]2392[/ATTACH] Score Card 2: [ATTACH]2393[/ATTACH]
  14. Does the NOR System include any videos ? I am more of a visual learner and having some recorded videos really help... If not, is it planned in the future? Thanks - love the work but the last manual I bought was a little difficult for me to understand.. need a little hand holding.. David
  15. Ellis, Take care of your family! We'll hook up at another time. Blessings to you and your family and you will all be in our prayers. David
  16. Ellis, I think a GotoWebinar where you have scorecards showing and a microphone to talk would be suffice. I bet within 1 hour you could go over all the basics and answer questions - may be somethiing you may want to do on a regular basis, and or record. I am willing to let you use my GotoWebinar account if interested. Alot of us are having a struggle and a little get together where we see your screen would probably be a HUGE help.. David
  17. I know you guys get pretty busy and I would imagine it would take awhile to put something together... with that said, I believe we only have 30 days membership to this forum.. and I would like to start picking this up as I really want to go to BIloxi over Christmas break If there is anyone willing to give me a few pointers - please PM me.. And Ellis -I'm still in for live classes or a video class... So many options today with technology
  18. Well I am interested in live training! Schedule gets tight but can make it happen.. I think the "home study" course with videos really demonstrating everything would be suffice though. Not that I won't travel.. name the place and time.. I have played bac for years (off and on) but sometimes just seeing it step by step live or on video is a whole lot easier. I actually teach a different type of way of making an income and have a pretty big website. I have literally have 50 + training videos (not that you need that many) But 8 - 10 minutes long (as that's when humans stop paying attention) and I go from square 1 and walk through all the basics and build it up. Now, your manual is great - and what I teach is far more different than what you teach, so please don't take that as disrespect. In fact I am enamored by what you do and how you prove it over and over... I just need to visualize it So that's my input on the live training or video tutorials - i am game -either way!
  19. Ok Guys.. .COuple more questions / ideas. I am getting fairly good at OR count. And I understand the progression. What I am having a hard time with his figuring out the LC / MC etc... Anyway Ellis, you could do a vidoe showing a blank scorecard - and go play by play and walk through it? I think it would be very beneficial to all -and it may save you alot of repeat questions... I am just having a hard time "getting" that part of it. Lastly - is there a forum post that explains more in depth the OTB4L when it's hovering zero? Thanks guys - any chance of a video - would be AWESOME... David
  20. Thanks Jersey... I figured zero was zero but with all the acronyms flying around here and so much to learn figured it couldnt hurt to double check
  21. Hey guys - probably a basic question - but still learning.. 2 questions actually If you are betting 023 is the 0 simply NO BET?? I keep getting confused on this. I've seen the 0 mentioned on a few posts, but figured I'd read the manual, do some practice shoes before I asked. Hoping I would have figured it out! I didn't Next - if you are progressing, say 345 - what do you do if you lose on the 5? Do you go back to 3?
  22. Does anyone have any blank scorecards they could PDF and either post them, or email them to me? Would be forever grateful I want to start practicing with some very old shoes I played years ago that I happened to fine - but hard to do so with all the notations Thanks in advance!! David PS - anyone want to meet up in Biloxi in a couple weeks????
  23. I am planning a Biloxi trip this month. I need to really hammer down on the S40 manual and do some practicing for a couple weeks before I go... I want to go soon though. PM me.
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