The shoe starts bottom left, going from left to right, starting with the 2 players. I see how it was a strong side bet on Bank and how Bank was strong for that point in the shoe. Thanks for pointing that out to me. The only way I will be able to actually find out is if I ever run into him again and show him the shoe. Even with being a good strong side bet, I don't think it was a good idea to go all in unless he knows something else. Maybe he has some kind of formula that uses what the actual cards are. I heard things like when a hand wins with an unnatural 7 the other hand majority of time will win next play, and whenever there is an 8 and 9 natural, the other hand will win the next play majority of times. I have never recorded actual cards so I don't have enough data to analyze this to find out if it is true. Also, I will be away from the computer till sometime next week, so if you guys don't hear back from me you know why. Thanks for all your input.