[Most strategies seem stupid but almost any strategy is good.]

I know my title seems strange but i have been playing this game for three years and i play seriously. I am currently on a run to where i am really considering playing full time, actually, i am going to give full time a shot i am just waiting to experience a downswing and what the recovery is like before i pull the trigger, i certainly hope i do not have a downswing but it has been so good i feel one has to come. I have thought about this game a lot, i have tried many different styles and strategies. I hear people try to explain their strategies, a lot of times i just can not buy into them because they usually defy the basic math and logic, i do not mean to call any one out but i have heard some talk about ties as a useful trigger,  yes some shoes you can use ties as a tool but to think about ties long term just seems a bit silly, sorry but that is my opinion. My conclusion is,  while most strategies may seem stupid to me, i believe any strategy that keeps you playing patient and not playing every hand is most likely a good strategy. The key is staying as close to even as possible, i mean i am vigilant when it comes to this, and when the shoe matches your style you crush it.

[Commerce Casino Baccarat]

Is anyone here familiar with how baccarat works at the commerce casino? You can go on the site for the commerce and it will show how many current live tables and i have seen that number up to 70 which seems like that would be a mecca for baccarat. What i would like to know is do they have display screens for tracking the hands, are you able to walk around and make just one bet on a table and then move on, where i play we have 6 tables, i will often look for some bets i like on a few different shoes and i will walk around and wait for those bets i like. Any info would be appreciated.

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  Thanks jimmybaccaratt for the words. Honestly, my boss was really pissing me off today and i was in a confrontational mood. So when i read oz's comment i got was i was looking for. Despite the fact that i completely misread it and misinterpreted the intention, i was totally off base.

  So that leads me to the next part, i have been at my job five and a half years. Up until this point it has given me pretty much what i needed it to financially. No i wasn't living the high life but i basically never had to worry about paying my rent. Well in 2017 i made about 6 percent less then i did in 2016. Which i can deal with, but due to my boss changing some things with our taxes this year and how we pay our taxes(by the way, small company with only 4 people total), i am taking an instant 10 percent pay cut this year, and thats from 2017's pay so i potentially stand to make 15 to 20 percent less then i did in 2016. That i have a problem with, this far in to a job i should not be going backwards.  

 If there was a year to take a shot at something like baccarat as a source of income, this is the year. I am not married and i do not have children so i have a little more ability to take a shot like this then most people my age. 

 On to the actual game, i think when i first posted, i was somewhere along the lines of a 7 consecutive win streak for about a 27 units. This weekend was not great, i took about a 15 unit loss saturday, and a 12 unit loss sunday. Now on saturday i was actually up 4 units which is usually the mark when i considering leaving but since i had the whole day i decided to go for a bigger win to make up for the eventual losses that will come, well that cost me about 18 units. Then sunday was just a bit of a rough day, never could get anything going. 

I am considering a 10 unit stop loss with a very strict strat if i get down 5 units. And days when im up 4 units, play till i lose one. Now, even on all those days i may consider to keep playing but i am going to track the results as if that is how i played. Then i will track the results if i stay. The question is how many times once i get down ten units do i climb out of it. I know its possible cause i have done it in the past. But i have to consider all factors right now because i am not a robot, i am quite busy at this present moment with activities so time, mood all have to factor into the equation i can not play super long sessions all the time. But over all i feel i am very disciplined with bac, If i have one leak it is i try to force a pattern in the shoe rather then letting it happen, although i dont do it that often i have found myself to do it a few times.

So over my last 27 sessions i am down about 1.75 bets. While those are not great results i feel i am getting closer. And if you factor in commission, which i know you cant ignore, i am on the plus side of 50/50 over those sessions. Paying commission sucks, where i play there are 6 tables which are usually all full in the evenings. 4 commission tables and two non commission. Problem with the non commission tables is they move way to slow most of the time, i swear everyone plays chicken. Then once one person puts a bet out they all follow, i just want to scream, what the hell are you waiting for, your all betting banker and you are all betting all the dragon side bets, quit pretending like you may do something different. 

I know that was long, just wanted to give a little more back story. Im gonna keep grinding and i will update soon.

 

 

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I want to retract my last statement, i owe oz an apology. I completely misinterpreted his comment. When i read it a second time i saw that it wasn't at all like i first read it, i was way off. Im not sure if any of you are familiar with the "two plus two"forums,  they used to be good as far as poker is concerned but it just turned into a troll fest. I thought thats where this was headed.

Any way, i will work on my paragraphs. I will have an update in a few hours as far as bac. 

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Im actually 34, i know its long and i apologize. I thought this was a serious forum, I have been on the fence about joining for a while and comments like that make me think its not worth it. I know its 2018 but damn i am sick of trolls. 

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First and foremost this is my first post in the forums. Myself and a friend have been working on beating baccarat for about a year (we did take a break for quite a while over last summer so honestly we have only been at it at the tables for 5 or 6 months). So lets start from the beginning, when it comes to casino games we had mainly been poker players. Then about 5 years ago we finally had casinos approved in our state . We remained poker players for a while but both of us worked jobs and did not rely on poker as a main source of poker. I think we both had burned our selves out at poker after years of playing and eventually stated to play pit games(craps, BJ ext...). Obviously we were both losers at the games overall. The one day he had mentioned playing baccarat, i had never played it before and did not know how the game worked, all i remember from the first session was how i thought it was stupid that when i bet the banker i would literally get paid with quarters(because of the 5 percent commission). So he originally brought the idea of what if we played baccarat and just bet the drop, we use the terms drop and chop, i believe it is referred to on here as 1's and 2's. So a chop would be 1, drop would be 2. I had played a couple times and started winning right away, my unit size was 25 and i was averaging 5 or 6 unit wins each session. I proceeded to win 15 out of my first 16 sessions, and the one loss was only a couple units. I have been around long enough to know that you just do go on win streaks like that at the casino, so i felt like we were really on to something. Also i pretty much flat betting, if i did press it was after a win not a loss. During that run i was on my friend was also experiencing similar results. Then i made the mistake of playing on a day where i did not feel very good and as i said, i work full time so you can understand i was burning the candle at both ends, but i wanted to know if this was a legit income source. So anyway i went on a day that i should not have and had a big loss, i got stubborn and stayed way to long, then went back a day or two later and had a similar loss. That's where the long break came in because i was discouraged. So we have been back at it for a couple months now, i tested a few different strategy's with terrible results, then i finally went back to the strategy we first used because it was working and i am back on an upswing, i do not know why i tried messing with a strategy that worked. That being said it is not a perfect strategy. Relying solely on drops or twos can get you in trouble at times. So lately we have both been using the drop as our guideline but we follow the shoe a bit more now. The question we are really asking ourselves is what is an acceptable loss and how many units should the average win be. I think the win goal should be around 3 to 6 units, the problem is one big loss could erase several wins. Also, lately if i get up 3 units real quick, like winning the first 3 hands, i play till i lose one hand then leave. So if i lose the next hand i leave up two units. The reason i do that is too many times i got up a few units right away, kept playing and found myself going on a big downswing and stuck there for hours, i am sure we all know that feeling. Also, do you need to stay and go for big wins sometimes to offset potential big losses. I feel like this is where the game is won and lost, you can create any strat you want but your bet is essentially always gonna be 50/50, so we have to work on what we can actually control. Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated and i will keep everyone updated with our progress.