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what method did you use ?

Elis this thread is called 2hi universal net bet baccarat forum., not MDB .It is not our fault if this forum is disorganized . If it was a free forum one can forgive but it is not. People on this forum have paid to learn universal 2hi netbetting system 2 months ago. it was a failure , you replaced it by SAP/RSAP. OK! For the moment , you just explained us basic SAP that one have found on this forum for years. You must understand that people are getting impatient and annoyed. We just want a clear and precise explanation how to use SAP/RSAP with example shoes, and play by play. And MDB players will learn MDB SAP or whatever on their forum ! Thank you !

Now Elis what you should do please,is posting different types of shoes with play by play and explanations of each bet I think that would clear up many things for everybody. Thank you

Thank you Brad for expressing what most of us are feeling ! But by experience , I think that no fully mechanical system can win on the long run . There is always a part of subjectivity and player's appreciation. That is what makes the difference between winning and losing players. Creating such a system is really a challenge for Ellis and it will be his Holy Grail ! Anyway ,thanks to him !l

yes I understand your reasoning, it is quite logical .

Thank you, Brad for sharing your play , your interpretation of the game and animating this thread as Elis must have health problems. You say in your comments '' start to play 1s and 2s are they are MC '' but for me , 4s+ are MC with the weighting. Up to hand 25 where 1s ,2s and 4s are equal .

Ellis , When do you teach us SAP system. ???????????

Please Ellis , when do you start to teach SAP system ?

Ellis , do you still use netbetting with SAP system ?

I agree. Very difficult to find a universal mechanical method that can apply to any type of shoes and win most of them , it is a challenge !

Hand 43 I don't apply the 3 0s rules but it doesn' t change the result much Bernard

I just played this shoe at dublinbet

Hello everybody, I am going to travel to Porto Rico San Juan soon . There are many casinos out there and I would like to know which are the best to play Baccarat. Any recommendations ? Thank you

I completly agree with you Ellis . I asked the guy what was the biggest bet , he said 28 units 8% of the time . He said he has been playing the system with great success for 3 years , he seems to be genuine and believe in it. Anyway , I don't want to use a system with a 28 units bet

Hello everybody, Does someone know about target 87 . It has been on the net for sometimes. And of course big claims of big wins ?

Hello, I am very interested in net betting. If I use a 1234 progression , what should I do if I lose the 4 bet. ? And you said either , at any stage in the progression to restart at 1 ,Am I right ? In case of flat net betting, you said to bet the lowest entry but what should I do if there is only one entry . I mean if I have stopped betting on a side after 2 losses Thank you Bernard

Maybe shouls I switch to stop after 3 losses if I get a lot of 2/1 . Which stop loss do you suggest for this method. Shouls I cap the progression ?

Thank you Ellis, played 2 shoes at Solaire Casino net betting ,got +14,+19. I applyed +1 on a loss , down 2 on a win progession . And stop playing after 2 losses ,restart playing after a virtual win. Is it the best way ? The dealer distribute the cards to the player with the highest bet on the table for checking and it is funny to see the player slowly folding the card, like a poker player, not to display to the others as if it was really important and after throwing them to the dealer. Bernard

To- day I go to Waterfront Manila Pavilion Casino, I think they have some mini-baccarat tables. Any recommendation, maybe from asian players. Manila is so huge and so many casinos and beautiful girls....................but the girls I can manage on my own !

Hello everybody, I am in Manila for 2 weeks Huge city with many beautiful casinos and many are under construction.I]went to Solaire Casino Resort which apparently is the newest and the biggest. They have more than 300 gaming tables which many are baccarat . And they play only super 6 baccarat. I was disconcerted and I found this on internet : Super Six Baccarat, also known at some casinos as Punto 2000, is a baccarat variation with slightly different payouts to traditional baccarat. Just like normal baccarat, you start the game by placing a chip on either the Banker, Player or Tie boxes. The live dealer will then deal to the Banker and Player hands according to normal third card rules. You win if you bet on the correct outcome…Banker, Player win or Tie. Payouts for Player (1:1) and Tie (8:1) bets are the same as for normal baccarat but the payout for Banker wins is different. Instead of paying 0.95:1, in Super 6 Baccarat the Banker win pays 1:1 unless the Banker wins with a score of 6 in which case the payout halves to 0.5:1. There is a side bet offered as an insurance to a Banker 6 win. If you take the Super Six side bet you are betting that the Banker will win with a score of 6 and this side bet pays 12:1 if successful. Super Six Baccarat is gaining in popularity very fast on casino floors in Macau and other parts of Asia. I understand these rules, but the dealer gives 2 cards to the player. I guess the player decides the drawing of a 3 rd card , but what makes his decision and what is the strategy behind this ? I woul really appreciate if someone can explain it. Thank you Bernard

I just play online at Dublinbet because it is a brick and mortar casino. But unfortunately, I cannot find any any bias in the table. So I just select the system from the 8 to 20 first hands. I apply NOR rules and all Ellis' teaching. I rarely keep the same system all along the shoe but I change very carefully. Game is fast at Dublinbet, 30 to 40 mn and about 60 hands a shoe. For the moment, I don't work ,so I can play 10 shoes a day in the comfort of my canape, watching television. So this results are good but not fabulous. I need far more testing to be sure it is not pure luck. But it is promising, to know that one can win without table selection. Bernard

Hi Dave, I want to thank you for yours posts and I understand what you are feeling; because of course I did the same. I am playing NOR at Dublingbet for training, as it is the only live real casino online. There is only a table and I could never find any trend or bias from one shoe to another. So I have to wait for 10 to 20 hands to start playing and feel the shoe................... I was keeping losing and thought it was impossible to win at this casino. And last week, something happened I started to win and increase my bankroll, from 1000 to 4600 € , in a week. I cannot tell you how many shoes, I don't keep any records. I am playing 25 € unit. flat bet and 123 progression , rarely 234. What happened...........................? Simply I got the discipline to quit when I lose, not chasing loss anymore and profit of good shoes ( 20 to 30 units). Easy to say, but difficult to achieve. I had some losing shoes -8, some -2/3 units,some +2,3.......8 units and few 10,20,30 units. You had few winning sessions and recovered twice from losing ones, so you got confidence until this last session where you lost. You should have quit earlier in the game, if you only flat bet, it means that you are not sure what to do..........just quit. Anyway, your bankroll is still positive.................... Ellis and other members posts in this thread are golden words for beginners like you and me. The difference between a player and a gambler is psychology and discipline. I am sure you can win at Horseshoe casino! Bernard

Hi Ellis PLease Ellis, can you give some examples of these rules Thank you Bernard OK after checking I understand these rules !

Now I think it is the case in most countries in the world ! Such a system would be perfect. Please Ellis go ahead ! Bernard

[quote name= Originally Posted by Probac Ellis - This is found in the casino in Singapore. But I believe multi-trend shoes & new pre-shuffled boxed cards for every new shoe is not uncommon in many other casinos. Its midi - ie one-dealer tables with 9 betting boxe E. Clifton Davis]OK, give me an idea of the typical OR count range you see in a shoe. Like -8 to +8, Bigger? Smaller? Do they bother with two different shoe colors? Do they shuffle at all or just cut and deal? Do the 8 decks? come to the table in a sealed box? How do you know all the cards are there? About 72 hands per shoe not counting ties? What are the longest runs you generally see, straight and ZZ? Is one shoe choppy and maybe the next streaky or is the same shoe usually going both ways?