[Member can not access the NOR forum]

I'm having the same problem. I'm a life time baccarat member and I can access all baccarat forums except the NOR forum. I did PM Keith. Can anyone help?

Thanks.

[The 4S Manual Questions Thread]

Right Slider and good thinking. But will the avg player have time to do all that at casino speed? Maybe, in that way, we should be happy that the game is slower today.

Check this out:

I'm thinking to conform to the way we count repeats

The first circle of a ZZ run which is actually a repeat should be 1 point

The second circle 2 points

the third circle 4 points

the 4th 8 points

Consider that a 2112 is actually a 4 in a row ZZ

3 repeats in a row gets 8 points

so 3 Ops in a row should also get 8 points

What do you think?

Well if you want to score the 1 cluster in a 2112 (3 ops) as 8, then I think you would have to score a 1 cluster in a 21112 (4 ops) as 16 and a 1 cluster in 212 (2 ops) as 4. Is this what you're suggesting?

[System 40 Advanced]

Here's a clue:

Single 1's are half of all events.

Double 1's occur at half the frequency of Single 1's.

Triple 1's occur at half the frequency of double 1's

So the 50% rule applies to Opposites exactly the same as it applies to Repeats.

We just never had a reason to look at it that way before. But perfect RD play demands we look at it now.

We probably should have considered this phenomenon with SAP. It just never occured to me. Well, better late than never.

Actually this is something I've been working on for the last few months. The general concept you're describing I refer to as "1's Clusters". In other words when you do see 1's, are they rolling out as singles, doubles, triples, etc. I find this to be much more useful than whether 1's in total are above or below average.

Ellis, I think mathematically you are correct. If you want to do an SAP chart for 1's clusters I think the following values would work:

single: 1 point

double: 2 points

triple: 4 points

quadruple: 8 points

etc, etc,....

Also you can certainly keep track of SAP 1's clusters and regular SAP events on the same score sheet. You can keep track of P/B results and over all score in the middle. You can track traditional SAP events to the right of P/B results (just as always). Track SAP 1's clusters to the left of P/B results.

With 1's clusters any time you have 2 in a row straight after a confirmed 1, you know your cluster has ended and you can record it in your chart.

[Bet Phoenix "Cutting it short"]

For those who are submitting complaints to BP, issuing complaints to their front line of customer service probably isn't going to do much good. The low level reps are likely to say what you want to hear and blow you off.

Unless things have changed recently, a guy by the name of Richard (richard@betphoenix.com) runs the enitre BP operation and Carlos (carlos@betphoenix.com) is the casino manager. If you're going to email a complaint, directing your email to one (or both of those guys) is probably the way to go imho.

Another obvious way to protest would be to call in or use the live chat feature and request some one in the live casino department. Don't underestimate the live chat option. It's a very quick and easy way to issue a protest/complaint immediately upon seeing a shoe cut short or anything else questionable.

Hopefully they'll stop pulling this nonsense and address their software issues.

[Old School SAP Question]

Yup, that's exactly the information I was looking for.

Thanks Andrea.

[Old School SAP Question]

Anyone know what the correct SAP values are if you wish to track events in the form of: 1's, 2's, 3's, 4's, 5+'s (as opposed to how most do it: 1's, 2's, 3's, 4+'s)? I know this has been discussed in the past but I can't seem to find reference to it.

Thanks.