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Hello

I just joinned the forum, I have been read the U3HI, U2Hi and U2HiSA which is only good for choppy shoes and I have experienced on many shoes have 4s,3s,3s side by side. With above patterns that will cost us a big lost at one time while we win a little on the 2s.

Here is what I want to find out in forum base on my understand about the shoe types:

- Choppy shoes we can use U2Hi

- Steak shoes: using TB4L, where can I get the TB4L, OTB4L manual?

- Neutral shoes: What method should we use? Do we need to switch the method when some of conditions occur?

How do we tell the shoe will ...? Choppy, Streak or Neutral? After how many hands or pattern that could tell the shoe type?

Ellis said, the behavior of the shoe is depend on the shuffle machine. Are any one have any ideas about the setup parameters of shuffle machine? What parameters that cost a shoe become choppy, streak or neutral.

Please give me the direction to find the answers (posts, thread or link). I appreciate of your helps.

Thanks

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Brain, welcome to the group! I just don't feel right calling you no brain.

Go to the thread New Members Start Here under Universal.

We used to time the shuffle machines very successfully. A short shuffle meant streak and a long shuffle meant chop. But the casinos caught on to us so the machine manufacturers took the pilot lights off and made them sound proof.

Hey brain, all new members are a little screwed up the first few days just trying to find stuff because the private forum is so vast. That learning curve only lasts a few days and then you'll be right in the thick of things.

And Merry Christmas!

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Hi,

I am a New Bee also. I just joined and am totally lost. I have never been on this type of thing before.

My name is Joe. I live in Las Vegas Nevada. I play at the Gold Coat about 5 or 6 days a week. Not new to Baccarat but have not socialized with other players much. I hope this is getting to someone. Would like to know if there are any members living in LV and if they are interested in getting together?

I want to start learning also and am having trouble. Keith Smith told me to go on the forum and ask questions. HERE I AM.

Hope to hear back from somebody.

Thanks, Joe

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Hello everyone,

This is my first post. I am new to this forum and very new to baccarat. I have been gambling in casinos for 12+ years now, and I found myself in this forum, because I was doing just that..."gambling". I jumped a lot from roulette to BJ to craps taking advantage of my inherent interest in math.

I've heard from a few friends that baccarat was a mathematical game utilizing trends, and so I've been doing my research on baccarat for the past 6 months.

This forum has provided me with a solid foundation to play baccarat and I've been somewhat successful so far in the casinos. Ive won 7/11 shoes with an average win of about 7 units...

I have a couple questions for anyone who could help.

1- What's a common exit strategy (number of units, either win or loss?)

2- I have been using the NU system, (or what I think the NU system is) with the following rules

a. U1D2M2

b. Lose two in a row, dont bet that side until it wins

c. progression up to 5, if I lose the 5, I wait until that side wins two in a row and then restart with 1

3- I have found that on a number of occascions my net bet if often 0. Both the P and B sides are the same..and I end up playing a free hand. Is this common or am I doing something wrong?

Again, thanks to everyone for their generosity on this website. I hope that once I become more seasoned with baccarat, I can also share my experiences with you all.

Cheers

JR

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Hello everyone,

I have a couple questions for anyone who could help.

1- What's a common exit strategy (number of units, either win or loss?)

2- I have been using the NU system, (or what I think the NU system is) with the following rules

a. U1D2M2

b. Lose two in a row, dont bet that side until it wins

c. progression up to 5, if I lose the 5, I wait until that side wins two in a row and then restart with 1

3- I have found that on a number of occascions my net bet if often 0. Both the P and B sides are the same..and I end up playing a free hand. Is this common or am I doing something wrong?

JR

JR,

A common exit strategy would be something that appears to be a safe way to bail out of a losing shoe and feel good about it! Many of us are using -6 to -10 units as a solid place to leave the shoe and try again. Some of the larger systems can run up to around -20, but as a conservative player, I'm usually out of a shoe at -6 to -8. It depends on where in the shoe I happen to be at the time. It doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen and you really do need to be strong to leave a losing shoe and resist the temptation to just keep pressing on to attempt to salvage something out of it.

Having a "net" wager of Zero is not uncommon. In fact, it's one of the allowed rules of baccarat. You can wager on Player, Bank or No Wager at all. This appears to do several things, not the least of which is allow you to see where your system play may have fallen apart and allows you to find a good "re-entry" point for the shoe.

Hope this helps.

MVS

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Thanks MVS...that's great advice.

Now I'm relatively new to this forum and especially new to Baccarat. I have been practicing the "free" systems at home using some simulators and also gone to the casino a few times. I am still building up my tuition, so I can join the Private forum and really learn from great techniques. In the meantime, however, does anyone have any opinion on all the free systems we've been taught so far. First I learned the U2HiSA system which was doing quite well with the choppy shoes. Then I spent significant time understanding and learning the NU system, which does pretty well, except for the sporadic 1s. Often I was betting 4 or 5 unopposed at the end of a run, and would lose. But overall this system was nice in streaks once I stopped betting under a loss after a run. Now I just started to learn the System and System 40, which BTW and fantastically easy to learn.

So I guess my question is...With all these systems, are some better than others? Certainly, Im sure this is the universal question as to when to use what system. ie, are some better for ctreaky and some choppy. Recently after thinking about these questions, I started to keep track of a 4th column, C/S (chop/streak). Similar to counting cards in BJ, i thought this running point system would tell me if the shoe is turning streaky or choppy and then I could change systems. However I do recall early in these discussions that Ellis suggested sticking to one system throughout the shoe, I may be mistaken.

Anyway, these are just some thoughts. Again, I am certainly no expert and I hope to learn a lot from all of you. And perhaps I can eventually contrribute something meaningful to this forum.

Thanks

JR

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JR,

You sound like you're getting off to a good start by reading the material and practicing with it before jumping into the fire, so to speak.

I am by no means an "expert" on all of the systems but you will eventually find that there will be one or two methods of play that just seem to fit YOUR style of play and those will be the ones you really try to nail down and work with. As you've seen, there is no one system that wins all shoes. Once that concept is understood, you're halfway there!!!

Anyway, I was one of those people who acutally used the 2Hi systems to make back my tuition. However, since then I have changed my methods of play based on the things I'm picking up from the private area. I was pretty happy with what was available to me in the public area. U2Hi and 3Hi, NU, and another one that I can't remember right now but I managed to put them all together and attempt to match the program to the shoe in use at the time.

No, it was NOT easy to do and I spent an inordinate amount of time reading everything available on the public forums trying to find the nugget that would work for me. I got a little lucky and hit with a few of the 2Hi plans. I bet the minimums, played with a serious stop loss, which I found was very difficult to implement as I really hated quitting a game down 6 units, and also had to hit myself to exit a shoe when I was UP 6 units.

However, enough rambling on from me.

I see that you've found "System 40" which is probably one of my favorites to play as I love the way it moves so nicely into each trend in the shoe. Couple that with a good plan for a stop loss (like 3 or 4 losers in a row) and I think System 40 would be my choice now, even over the 2Hi systems. Heck, play it as a 2Hi and see how it fits!!

MVS (just another player)

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Hi MVSeahog,

I just finished reading your replay to rsingh420. Do you know if there is anyone who travels and puts on simenars? Ellis says he is not doing that anymore. I am having a hard time putting things together. YES, I understand that there is no one system to play because of the switching of patterns during a shoe. But if someone could put together some different senarios using the different stratgies and give some CONCRETE examples maybe things would be easier. That is if things are suppost to get easier. What do you think?

Joe

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Joe,

As you're a private area member, head on over to the Universal Baccarat and start reading. Read a lot.

Just about every system in discussion and play has multiple examples of literally step by step play.

Run concurrent sheets with what others have posted up and when you come up against something that you either can't figure out or doesn't make sense, just ask about it! That's why all of us are in there!!

The reason there isn't much response here is because pretty much all of the private area members rarely get back over here to look around. I do from time to time and a few others do, but for the most part we're pretty much full time in the private section.

So, jump on into one of the most recent 10 discussion threads and see if that doesn't help you out a lot.

MVS

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Hi,

I am a New Bee also. I just joined and am totally lost. I have never been on this type of thing before.

My name is Joe. I live in Las Vegas Nevada. I play at the Gold Coat about 5 or 6 days a week. Not new to Baccarat but have not socialized with other players much. I hope this is getting to someone. Would like to know if there are any members living in LV and if they are interested in getting together?

I want to start learning also and am having trouble. Keith Smith told me to go on the forum and ask questions. HERE I AM.

Hope to hear back from somebody.

Thanks,

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Hi hk6,

Welcome aboard.

Yep, lots of things here to get confused by for sure and we all went through the same learning curve, really.

Take some time and read the threads to start to see how things slowly get put together.

It took me a good week of reading the older material just to figure out what some of these guys were talking about!! However, once you grasp some of the ideas and concepts it will make sense.

So, grab a cup of coffee and take a look at the past messages to see if there's anything in there you can use or maybe learn from.

MVS

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Hi,

I am a New Bee also. I just joined and am totally lost. I have never been on this type of thing before.

My name is Joe. I live in Las Vegas Nevada. I play at the Gold Coat about 5 or 6 days a week. Not new to Baccarat but have not socialized with other players much. I hope this is getting to someone. Would like to know if there are any members living in LV and if they are interested in getting together?

I want to start learning also and am having trouble. Keith Smith told me to go on the forum and ask questions. HERE I AM.

Hope to hear b?ck from somebody.

Thanks, Joe

Joe-

i will be in vegas 3/16-3/22

Do you want to get together?

kachatz1

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