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Seahog,

From the looks of it, it looks like your system 40 would have really beat that one up for sure.

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Perhaps but S40A is even better as usual:

The starting 3 Players would have already put me on F3 which does great. The triple 3's at the top of the 3rd col. would have switched me to F2 which kills the rest of the shoe.

Betting U1D2 M2 you never have a - score. You might have quit at +20 at play 54 but since it's so early and you're doing so well, you likely would have stayed for the rest of the shoe and scored +28 with a highest bet of a single 5. You could have got away with a 4 unit buy in. Such is the power of S40A. A base bet of 2 or 3 would have done substantially better! It pays to know!

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All,

Well, I was killing some time waiting for the wife to finish up doing whatever it is wives do when they say they'll be ready "in a few minutes" and I had time to jump in and see if BetPhoenix had anything to offer for "a few minutes" or so. Here's what was showing up and I got in early.

Can anybody say Sys40 for this one? (Take the money and run!)

MVS

Bet Phoenix Jan-21-2011 6pm.

P112212(11) That's eleven singles in the ZZ run, thank you.

B14112122141

P2224111223

P2251

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All,

Well, I was killing some time waiting for the wife to finish up doing whatever it is wives do when they say they'll be ready "in a few minutes" and I had time to jump in and see if BetPhoenix had anything to offer for "a few minutes" or so. Here's what was showing up and I got in early.

Can anybody say Sys40 for this one? (Take the money and run!)

MVS

Bet Phoenix Jan-21-2011 6pm.

P112212(11) That's eleven singles in the ZZ run, thank you.

B14112122141

P2224111223

P2251

I logged onto Bph and caught the tail of that opposite run (longest one I have seen there in a long time). Was still shaking out the cobwebs so I figured having missed the long opposite run maybe the next couple columns may be short on 1's and were slightly.

Anyway I started with ADN(elite) and quickly started with that and it did pretty well even though I somehow gave back 3 units in the 2nd column the 3rd added +16 units to the overall score and ended for me +33 with ADN(elite). I am still working that system out. I ended the shoe with 2 banks ( I think that is the only recording difference) I ended with #71 hands. Nice shoe but I am still just getting used to ADN elite and playing it carefully watching for anything to jump out. It is still a pretty weird system to watch unravel to me. I am messing with a couple options and using a conservative start.

It was nice that 3's were least common all the way played with Sys40A. I don't think LC much matters with ADN elite. Good system for garbage chop and can do well in other stuff too, but still must run many more shoes to see how it all shakes out.

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Well, here's one more from today's running of the gauntlet in the casino.

Probably the longest shoe I've run completely through in a long time. It normally doesn't take me 76 hands to get done but this one did. Still pulled a profit, so I can't complain, it's just that I'm not used to "working" that long for the win!

Looks like Sys40 just plowed right through this one for a very nice win!

MVS

Bet Phoenix February 5, 2011 2:45pm

P11112121114121

P1111231262

P11111311132112

P11512111111

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Well, here's one more from today's running of the gauntlet in the casino.

Probably the longest shoe I've run completely through in a long time. It normally doesn't take me 76 hands to get done but this one did. Still pulled a profit, so I can't complain, it's just that I'm not used to "working" that long for the win!

Looks like Sys40 just plowed right through this one for a very nice win!

MVS

Bet Phoenix February 5, 2011 2:45pm

P11112121114121

P1111231262

P11111311132112

P11512111111

Hey cool MVS

I was playing the same shoe but had to leave at play#52. Now I can fill in the blanks. Even though I was playing it with ADN elite + I was noting the shoe was F2P till #29 F2B to #34 and F2P to #40 and F2B to where I had to leave the house at #52. ADN Elite + only had +5 units for me by hand #52. This calls into question an override position in strong bias with ADN E +. Still not a bad showing for almost 100% mechanical blind off the top.

Sys 40 would have done well too. I have 23 singles recorded by my exit time. I see I made a singles count error should be 22 singles by #52. I hate when I mess up the singles count.

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i was playing that shoe ,too,it was a long shoe,missed a few good bets,because that timer got shorter an shorter,lol,that's good mvs an tomM,you shared that shoe,i learned some more,seems like i was on the right track,now i know,that was powerfull,i could relate to what your doing,maybe that's a good way to learn more,maybe you post tomorrow on today's shoe,so what's a good time,mean while i will maybe other members too will play todays shoe, rack our brains out,then compare notes,how about it,i know the ballgame ,but there's tomorrow,next day,day after,or once a week,good workout,thank's again for the info

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All,

I'm really starting to believe that BPH is picking a day to mess with us and just deal weird cards!

The last two nights had a nice streak in there to save pretty much any system play.

Tonight's shoe went super chop! Luckily we have something for that too! Plain old System 40 to the rescue!

Actually I was running another play but when I saw the start on this one I just HAD to drop some money in on System 40. It was screaming at me!!

Sys40 did pull a respectable +13 with a 3-Hi limit.

MVS

Bet Phoenix February 28th, 2011 PM

B11211121121132

B1111321211411

B222112113122

P21111213

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Here's a quick post of this morning's run. A thunderstorm woke me up early and the UPS systems shut down my computers so once I got them all up and running again I checked in at Bet Phoenix and saw that I was at hand 2 in this shoe so I stuck around to see how it would play out. I jumped in at hand 5 (4 in a row, time to jump in) and it went reasonably well from there on!

Their video feed was good but did drop out around hand 40 and the shoe only ran 59 hands. They're starting to cut the deck short again for now.

MVS

Bet Phoenix Mar 10, 2011 9am ish.

P(11) 222111 (Eleven players to start)

P31223414

P22411162

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All,

Had a lot of "free time" at the motorcycle dealer's waiting room today so I took a quick peek into Bet Phoenix around 10am or so and saw this one starting up so I jumped on in running basic Sys40, which is what I default to when I'm unusually lazy or don't have any paper/pencil to work with.

Anyway, it came out nicely, again!

There were probably 8 ties on the "2-line" for those who watch those things.

MVS

Bet Phoenix Mar 16th, 2011 1030am

P14213342

P13415141

P212111222321

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Hi Seahog,

At what play do you start playing your first hand and your staking plan? Cos if you use basic Sys40, your LC would have been 3 in the beginning and you would have suffer a terrible drawdown (if you use U1 D2 M2 or even 234 or 345 as your staking plan) in your capital as seen in play 9 to 14, where there is a "33". I always suffer from this kind of drawdown and was wondering as to how do you overcome such drawdown?

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Hi Seahog,

At what play do you start playing your first hand and your staking plan? Cos if you use basic Sys40, your LC would have been 3 in the beginning and you would have suffer a terrible drawdown (if you use U1 D2 M2 or even 234 or 345 as your staking plan) in your capital as seen in play 9 to 14, where there is a "33". I always suffer from this kind of drawdown and was wondering as to how do you overcome such drawdown?

Right! I see this as a real tough S40 shoe, a virtual entrapment. I hate shoes that start with an early 4, esp. when the 4 is surrounded by 1s and 2s. To me an early 4 virtually rules out S40 esp when the OR count is favoring minus.

BUT the OR count returns to 0 at play 9 suggesting OTB4L. Also the col.1 events strongly suggest OTB4L.

F is pretty much ruled out by the reversing OR count and by equal strength B and P.

Even OTB4L gets to a 6 bet twice but ends up at +22 when you play a 3PL against straight runs and a 2 PL against ZZ runs.

MVS, if you think this was an easy shoe, i'd like to see what you call a tough shoe???

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Hi Seahog,

At what play do you start playing your first hand and your staking plan? Cos if you use basic Sys40, your LC would have been 3 in the beginning and you would have suffer a terrible drawdown (if you use U1 D2 M2 or even 234 or 345 as your staking plan) in your capital as seen in play 9 to 14, where there is a "33". I always suffer from this kind of drawdown and was wondering as to how do you overcome such drawdown?

Kelvin,

Hmm, I had to go back and look at that one to see just what I did on it.

I’m up in Pittsburgh (in-laws and all that family stuff) now and away from my scanner (and on a dial-up connection to boot) but I did have the presence of mind to at least bring my latest baccarat binder with me and it has the last 70 shoes or so that were played and there it was, shoe #552.

I started actual wagering at hand 9 playing U1D2M1 on the $5 table at BetPhoenix. You can get away with a lot of odd things and mistakes when you’re on the red table!

In spite of the fact the shoe started right off with a Banker4, I still played it making 4’s the culprit! I just figured that initial one right out of the box was a fluke of some sort.

At hand 19 it became obvious to me that Sys40 should be dropped for either F2 or FTL but it was early in the morning and I was still working on my first cup of coffee so I was a bit slow with this “discovery”.

At hand 20 I made the switch to regular FTL. Still playing U1D2M1 which got me back to zero by hand 28. F2/F3 would probably have been a better choice but Player was showing a lot of runs. Hmm, F3 WOULD have been a better play, now that I look back at it. It’s funny how your brain works in “real time” when you’re playing.

However, I elected to play it out as FTL and it recovered nicely. Only one switch to ZZ at hand 49 for 2 bets but it didn’t stick around at all.

I think I posted it up as a “good Sys40” shoe but that was probably because I STARTED it on System40 but made the switch during play. I probably should be a little better with what I call a true Sys40 shoe. I’ll watch that in the future postings.

Thanks for bringing it up though. It made me go out in the car and get my baccarat book to study up on (and review this shoe) before heading out to the Pittsburgh casino on Friday.

MVS (does anybody still use dial up for anything????)

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Kelvin,

Hmm, I had to go back and look at that one to see just what I did on it.

I’m up in Pittsburgh (in-laws and all that family stuff) now and away from my scanner (and on a dial-up connection to boot) but I did have the presence of mind to at least bring my latest baccarat binder with me and it has the last 70 shoes or so that were played and there it was, shoe #552.

I started actual wagering at hand 9 playing U1D2M1 on the $5 table at BetPhoenix. You can get away with a lot of odd things and mistakes when you’re on the red table!

In spite of the fact the shoe started right off with a Banker4, I still played it making 4’s the culprit! I just figured that initial one right out of the box was a fluke of some sort.

At hand 19 it became obvious to me that Sys40 should be dropped for either F2 or FTL but it was early in the morning and I was still working on my first cup of coffee so I was a bit slow with this “discovery”.

At hand 20 I made the switch to regular FTL. Still playing U1D2M1 which got me back to zero by hand 28. F2/F3 would probably have been a better choice but Player was showing a lot of runs. Hmm, F3 WOULD have been a better play, now that I look back at it. It’s funny how your brain works in “real time” when you’re playing.

However, I elected to play it out as FTL and it recovered nicely. Only one switch to ZZ at hand 49 for 2 bets but it didn’t stick around at all.

I think I posted it up as a “good Sys40” shoe but that was probably because I STARTED it on System40 but made the switch during play. I probably should be a little better with what I call a true Sys40 shoe. I’ll watch that in the future postings.

Thanks for bringing it up though. It made me go out in the car and get my baccarat book to study up on (and review this shoe) before heading out to the Pittsburgh casino on Friday.

MVS (does anybody still use dial up for anything????)

Remember MVS, you are on the BTC board now.

What is FTL ?

Why not OT ?

I like the U1D2M1 to positivly differentiate from M2.

What's dial up ?

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Remember MVS, you are on the BTC board now.

What is FTL ?

I like the U1D2M1 to positivly differentiate from M2.

What's dial up ?

Ooops. I'm slipping back due to lack of sleep or something.

FTL is Repeats (Follow The Last). You could even think of it as F1 !

Dial-up? That's from the time when nobody had "high speed internet", just a phone line and a modem. Think ADSL on Valium running through molasses.

I've finally resorted to just using my 3G Verizon account via USB stick to actually get something done. Trying to keep an "ad-hoc" dial up network running in this house was next to impossible!

MVS

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Hi,

I came across this shoe and started playing at hand #21 using s40 Mode 2 Flat bet , betting banker........ and I lose a total of 5 units before the shoe ends....

The O/R count was +5 and move towards -7 at the end.....

Ellis, What mistake have I done here or how to avoid and when to cut loss ? At hand #20 does the shoe tells us its choppy ? I am learning how to look at toteboard as you thought me the other day ...it works until this

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Hi,

I came across this shoe and started playing at hand #21 using s40 Mode 2 Flat bet , betting banker........ and I lose a total of 5 units before the shoe ends....

The O/R count was +5 and move towards -7 at the end.....

Ellis, What mistake have I done here or how to avoid and when to cut loss ? At hand #20 does the shoe tells us its choppy ? I am learning how to look at toteboard as you thought me the other day ...it works until this

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I don't think you did anything wrong. In fact you did well to get out at only -5 or 6 rather than wait for -8.

One tip is that I seldom bet 2 until I have won a 1 bet. And if I lose 3 one bets right off the bat, I usually look for a better table then and there.

It is very unusual for a shoe to march steadily up to +7 and then reverse to -7. But it CAN and will happen. This is a good test of your retreat capabilities and you passed the test rather nicely. Anybody see it different?

You "might" have done a little better switching to OTB4L but the key word is Might. I'm more into finding good situations than I am in trying to salvage bad situations. I likely would have been out at -3.

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