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[witchygal]

Great work there witchygal, I always enjoy seeing people wining money out of casinos for obvious reasons: they are evil in disguised.

But I'd like to share with you my little experience. I joined this forum a year ago and bought the S40 membership as soon as it was released. I went through the learning curve as well as witnessing all the modifications by Sir Ellis in an attempt to fine tune it. I must say he's definitely an intelligent guru and extremely patient towards his fellow members be it experts or beginners. I felt the money was well spent based solely on this fact. At least there's someone to comfort me on those bad days right... haha.

So how did I do? Not very well I must admit. I don't blame Ellis and BTC though, despite my efforts in practicing table selection, OR count, SAP charts, lose limits and personal experiences from Ellis (such as morning new card preps and the history of previous shoes), the trend in RWS is simply too unpredictable. It fluctuates so often one simply loses the confidence to continue. You'd be extremely lucky to find a shoe that presents consistent bias. Perhaps S40 isn't really RWS-friendly. I did ask for help via the posts in private forum, although fellow members were kind enough to cheer me up which I was grateful, most of the answers and advises I received were simply to "look for a biased shoe". I felt they had missed my points. I distant myself from this forum 2 months later in disappointment. It wasn't until recently I revisited this once familiar forum from an email informing me the latest creation from Ellis, the NOR.

The shoes you selected were extremely rare, witchygal. In fact, they are so rare it'd attract large crowd in no time, and basic chop methods could easily beat it. I too had those lucky days and they are indeed some of my most glorious moment. As time goes on, you'd notice majority of the shoes are in fact not so favorable. As Ellis has always said, don't be carried away by these successful days for you'd soon find yourself in predicament if discipline is not exercised.

Perhaps we should play together and exchange our views.

As for NOR, I suspect it would be too different from S40 and that's the reason I'm still observing. After all, I've paid USD230 for S40, I don't think it's worth to pay another USD600 for a similar approach.

Hi fluppocinonys,

Great to know another Singaporean is here in the forum. I am trying to gather BTC players in asia to meet up for networking so as to improve on our game.

I have been able to find many choppy shoes at RWS in the past week. S40 works pretty well for some of the shoes. You are correct. Some beautiful shoes attract a large crowd in no time and i couldn't even squeeze in to bet not to mention to get a seat. However there are still quite ok shoes available. Trends in a shoe will change but we try to get out before falling into the trap.

I also learned from my mistakes and hope to improve on my next game.

[Guest]

Hi, fluppocinonys, Ellis here. I'm sorry I don't remember you, at least under that name, but your's was an excellent post. It points to the short comings of the S40 stand alone system. But S40 was never meant to be a stand alone system. It is strictly a chop system and needs chop to win. Such shoes can be hard to find esp. at night with old cards and that is when most people play. So S40 players tended to try it against ANY shoe. As you found out, that won't work.

But NOR addresses this problem: Instead of looking for just ONE bias NOR exploits 3 different biases: Neutral, Chop and Streak. That makes finding an exploitable bias far easier and far more common. Witchy just happed to be playing the NOR version of S40 because that happened to be the bias she found that particular day, right Witchy.

NOR has nothing in common with S40. It is a completely different approach working off a completely different principle. It merely uses S40 for its chop system because S40 is the best chop system there is. But NOR does equally well with Streaky shoes or Neutral shoes - shoes that favor neither chop nor streak. And Neutral happens to be the most common at most casinos. But WE STILL look for the most biased table in the casino. It's just that NOW we have 3 biases we are looking for instead of only one.

If you learned S40 as a lifetime member, you are still a lifetime member and NOR doesn't cost you anything. You probably only need to have your permissions reset. Likewise if you were a monthly member long enough you have lifetime status now. And if you were a monthly member for only a short time, you can become a NOR member by just paying the difference. Contact Keith@beatthecasino.com. BTW, we don't have the monthly membership program anymore for that very reason.

Before, I found it very difficult to get students to understand that you can't beat this game with only one system in your quiver. So rather than fight city hall I designed The NOR Approach which deploys multiple systems yet is still simple enough for the average player. But the end result was far better than my best expectations. I am convinced that NOR is the best way the game can be played and always will be. Many trip reports demonstrate that fact. As a result, I'll never design another system. I could never beat NOR. Neither can anyone else.

But if you are going to play this game, NOR is the best possible way and you should learn it.

[Guest]

Hi fluppocinonys,

Great to know another Singaporean is here in the forum. I am trying to gather BTC players in asia to meet up for networking so as to improve on our game.

I have been able to find many choppy shoes at RWS in the past week. S40 works pretty well for some of the shoes. You are correct. Some beautiful shoes attract a large crowd in no time and i couldn't even squeeze in to bet not to mention to get a seat. However there are still quite ok shoes available. Trends in a shoe will change but we try to get out before falling into the trap.

I also learned from my mistakes and hope to improve on my next game.

I have been considering the idea of coming to Singapore to do a NOR seminar. Certainly nothing definite yet. I would likely stay with John Malaysia and stay in Asia for a while, maybe a month or two. I would do several seminars in the major cities. The seminars would be bilingual, US English and John Malaysia Chinese.

Formal NOR bilingual manuals would be distributed to the attendees. Attendees would pay $1000 US and also receive membership to BTC. Of course current BTC members would not be charged anything. In fact I would likely put some volunteers to work. At the very least I would need a camera man and a couple workers to run credit cards at the door. Also, security and ushering.

There is a lot of groundwork that needs to be done first: Advertising, location, passport, legal permissions, lisenses, etc.

At this point it is just a foggy notion but I'd like to see your responses and hear your ideas.

[witchygal]

I have been considering the idea of coming to Singapore to do a NOR seminar. Certainly nothing definite yet. I would likely stay with John Malaysia and stay in Asia for a while, maybe a month or two. I would do several seminars in the major cities. The seminars would be bilingual, US English and John Malaysia Chinese.

Formal NOR bilingual manuals would be distributed to the attendees. Attendees would pay $1000 US and also receive membership to BTC. Of course current BTC members would not be charged anything. In fact I would likely put some volunteers to work. At the very least I would need a camera man and a couple workers to run credit cards at the door. Also, security and ushering.

There is a lot of groundwork that needs to be done first: Advertising, location, passport, legal permissions, lisenses, etc.

At this point it is just a foggy notion but I'd like to see your responses and hear your ideas.

Ellis it would be great to have you and Keith come to Singapore! I will volunteer to help out for the seminar too! As i know John will be heading to Vegas in Dec so perhaps your asia tour will be arranged next year?

[core]

Hii ellis,

Me, david n connie will come too. Dont forget indonesian too. There lots of indonesian gamble at malay, spore, n macau. They put 500-1000 a hand!

[Guest]

Thanks for the support core and right Witchy, it would be next year. Don't know if we can put this all together in time for the Chinese New Year. Keith can't come because he can't take that much time off from work.

The other option is to instead do a webinar seminar on Skype. We've used Skype before but not for a full fledged formal seminar. But I'm investigating that idea put forth by one of our most prominent members. In theory and costwise it is a good idea but I don't know if it would have that same personal touch. But maybe that it just a question of proper advertising and seminar design. People can ask questions on Skype too. How do you guys feel about that?

[witchygal]

Thanks for the support core and right Witchy, it would be next year. Don't know if we can put this all together in time for the Chinese New Year. Keith can't come because he can't take that much time off from work.

The other option is to instead do a webinar seminar on Skype. We've used Skype before but not for a full fledged formal seminar. But I'm investigating that idea put forth by one of our most prominent members. In theory and costwise it is a good idea but I don't know if it would have that same personal touch. But maybe that it just a question of proper advertising and seminar design. People can ask questions on Skype too. How do you guys feel about that?

Sure Ellis, you can do a webinar too if you like.

The great thing about you being here is that we will get to learn from the best and play some sessions with you! I guess you would like to visit our casinos too don't you? We do have nice casinos here =)

[Keith Smith]

The bottom line with a Singapore seminar is enough players to support it. At this point until our sales base is more saturated there and I am uncertain how to get more players there, a week long casino visit is probably more feasible rather than the risk of a high expense seminar

If we are supported there I am not certain what difference it would make for sales if we are there in person. I would like to see more than 4 private members in Singapore before we commit to a seminar there

[Kelvin]

First shoe i played today with very strong S40

P211111111121111211 (i start playing after these came out)

So the following were the hands i played

B111121211115122

P221111223223

The whole shoe ended.

Result was +13 units at $25 each. The highest i hit was +20 and I used 123 prog and never had to bet more than 2 units. OR at the last hand was +23! Very strong S40 right? I could have changed to 234 or 345 but since it is my first time playing NOR and to be safe i stick to 123. I could have stopped playing at my highest +20 but i wanted to finish the whole shoe. Nevertheless it was a good game!

Hi Witchy, nice to hear that you are doing very well. However, could you explain how do you handle the streak of 5 (as highlighted in red) without betting more than 2 units?

[Guest]

Hi Witchy, nice to hear that you are doing very well. However, could you explain how do you handle the streak of 5 (as highlighted in red) without betting more than 2 units?

Hi Kelvin! That is easy! Since you have had no OTR bets yet at the point of the 5, after losing the 1,2, you bet ONE unit OTR on the 4th circle of the 5. You win and since you are in Mode 2 you make a 2nd bet of 1 unit OTR. You win! Now you have exhausted your 2 Mode 2 OTR bets so you go back to Opposites and bet 1 unit and win yet again. So Witchy, is that how you handled the 5?

Kelvin, while we usually start S40 in Mode 3, a shoe this choppy should make us consider attempting Mode 2.

Also, if you are trying to keep your play 2 Hi, Mode 2 can do that but Mode 3 will always incur 3 bets.

Recognize that Mode 3 would also have beat this shoe - just not quite as much as Mode 2.

Edited November 23, 2011 by Guest

[witchygal]

Hi Kelvin! That is easy! Since you have had no OTR bets yet at the point of the 5, after losing the 1,2, you bet ONE unit OTR on the 4th circle of the 5. You win and since you are in Mode 2 you make a 2nd bet of 1 unit OTR. You win! Now you have exhausted your 2 Mode 2 OTR bets so you go back to Opposites and bet 1 unit and win yet again. So Witchy, is that how you handled the 5?

Kelvin, while we usually start S40 in Mode 3, a shoe this choppy should make us consider attempting Mode 2.

Also, if you are trying to keep your play 2 Hi, Mode 2 can do that but Mode 3 will always incur 3 bets.

Recognize that Mode 3 would also have beat this shoe - just not quite as much as Mode 2.

Thank you Ellis for answering Kelvin's question. Yes you are right i used mode 2 for the 5 in a row as i took an early OTR instead of mode 3. I placed 1 unit OTR to test if it hits. Since it does i followed it again. So i never had to place 3 units bet.

[Guest]

Thank you Ellis for answering Kelvin's question. Yes you are right i used mode 2 for the 5 in a row as i took an early OTR instead of mode 3. I placed 1 unit OTR to test if it hits. Since it does i followed it again. So i never had to place 3 units bet.

Yep, aren't I brilliant for an old fart?

[witchygal]

Yep, aren't I brilliant for an old fart?

Lol Ellis you are the master!

[core]

Wazz up!

Today is the 30th i stay at Genting. Being at Devil's house without paying anything except for food. All my rooms are fully comped

This month have so many experience as I am a NOR newbie.

I would like to thank Uncle Ellis, Keith, all my friends, and some BTC members who supports me and played along beside me here.

NOR definitely makes me a better player but I still need to improve my play and control my emotion. I remember when I was down, some of BTC Asian encouraged me, "CORE, you are the best at Genting. You need to get up and do what you did before". The word "BEST" for me is so cruicial coz I want to become a damn pro bac player.

Here is my summary for Novermber :

Sytem play : OTBL, S40, F2, F3

Progression : 1234, 1248, 1112, 112, 1212

Highest winning in a day : 17K

Highest losses : 20K

consecutive winnings : 9 days in a row

consecutive losses : 2 days in a row

Average bet size : 50 - 100

I will continue to burn Genting and improve my play. thank you for all people who supports me. I attach you my chips image ( Each chip worth 500RM. 1 row is 9K RM. iam not showing off here, just to let you know that now iam a better player because of NOR ).

BTW, Genting put my name as TOP 668 players who will attend 14 cars draw ceremony on January 13!!! So excited!

Let's Burn The Table

Fu*k the Casino,

CORE