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Well , after testing over 25 shoes with 4D method, I decided to go down to my local Casino and play it live. I'll tell you, this takes patience and more brain power and time to record and interpret. If you miss a bet you just have to just accept it but I know that in time I will be able to do this even faster.

Played Friday night, sat down and started to record about 17 decisions prior to placing my first bet, I managed to win +3 units in less than 15 mins and used 123 4 Prog with max 3 unit bet. I am not using large bet method as Ellis has spoken of because I am testing so this not a confirmed method yet.

Played Saturday night for 20 mins with +5 units only lost one bet so max 2 unit bet with Prog. The female Pitt boss was hanging over my shoulder 80% of the time I was there and was astounded that;

A) I'm not playing same winning system as before (NOR+).

B) now playing entirely different system and betting not as often and winning.... She was very curious what I was writing Down I don't title my columns so there is just a string of numbers on my sheet with 4D.

She alerted the dealer as I pushed my winnings forward to cash out and definitely knew I walked off "A Winner"

As I said I am playing with small units because we are still in the early stage proving 4D's accuracy. I find that interpretation of the numbers requires a keen eye of past numbers not only with jail break out points but spotting the resistance points / numbers as I have noticed that they bounce off previous highs and lows similar to stock charts. The 4D column developers repeatable patterns and 3D work in sync on some plays, therefore it reflects the appearance of a mechanical system but not all decisions are made from same number columns.

IMHO, interpretation of 4D requires skillful detection of observations noted above.

I hope my input has been helpful as I continue to test at home as well as live play

Your feedback is most welcome.

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CC,

I agree with you 100%. this kind of play require a lot of mental effort... and practice.

I started testing too and it takes a lot of time initially, then with some training you go faster.

sometimes you must change the resistance points, not only on high, when you lose, but also on the low side when you watch the spread comeback from a high point.

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Played live Casino over 12 hours last week...still not all-in on the JustOneUnit/ Super Bet concept, but there is something I think will provide you a VISUAL AID to help confirm/ question 4D " decision making" process, and help you identify the BEST BET opportunities

Reminder I have been doing this for several years as a way to combine elements of NOR/ SAP with 3D approach...and last week bet real $$ using with 4D....played with another NOR member several shoes, and we achieved good results playing both NOR ( him) and 4D ( me)....

Always helpful to play with someone else attended the same school of BAC.

YES 4D does take more concentration and effort to record, but it definitely adds more insight into the TRENDS within the shoe, and thus better decision making.

Go back to the "Discussion of The 4D" thread...I explained it there...

Best I can offer is to try it by practicing with some of your old shoes...it comes easier once you can " SEE" how NOR and SAP are still alive and well within the 4D concept.

Also, reminder I posted about live play most people will feel more comfortable playing at full tables, as then plenty of time to record results and make decisions on where Best Bet Opportunities are within a shoe.

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Played live Casino over 12 hours last week...still not all-in on the JustOneUnit/ Super Bet concept, but there is something I think will provide you a VISUAL AID to help confirm/ question 4D " decision making" process, and help you identify the BEST BET opportunities

Reminder I have been doing this for several years as a way to combine elements of NOR/ SAP with 3D approach...and last week bet real $$ using with 4D....played with another NOR member several shoes, and we achieved good results playing both NOR ( him) and 4D ( me)....

Always helpful to play with someone else attended the same school of BAC.

YES 4D does take more concentration and effort to record, but it definitely adds more insight into the TRENDS within the shoe, and thus better decision making.

Go back to the "Discussion of The 4D" thread...I explained it there...

Best I can offer is to try it by practicing with some of your old shoes...it comes easier once you can " SEE" how NOR and SAP are still alive and well within the 4D concept.

Also, reminder I posted about live play most people will feel more comfortable playing at full tables, as then plenty of time to record results and make decisions on where Best Bet Opportunities are within a shoe.

Did you ever post your "visual aid"?

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Did you ever post your "visual aid"?

Right Vic, that is an excellent synopsis of the 4D by kachatz. It does in fact encompass the best of everything we have accomplished to date.

And any visual aid would be appreciated. I think kachatz is busy moving right now but as soon as he gets settled in.....

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Played live Casino over 12 hours last week...still not all-in on the JustOneUnit/ Super Bet concept, but there is something I think will provide you a VISUAL AID to help confirm/ question 4D " decision making" process, and help you identify the BEST BET opportunities

kachatz1,

Are you playing the live game using the casino's card for notation or are you using your own printed sheet?

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