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[Guest]

Sometimes we lose sight of who the enemy is.

Here is the way I see this preshuffled cards thing.

Start with the fact that I've caught casinos red handed blatantly cheating hundreds of times. I'm talking blatantly cheating.

Fixing the cards

The Bahama hole card trick

Throwing tens on the floor

Slipping the 5

Color up scams

The Baccarat Breakdown trick

Dealing seconds

Closing down winning tables

Introducing new cards in the middle of a winning game

Ejecting you in the middle of a winning game

The list goes on and on

These are the obvious ones I catch them on. The question is how many get by me? I'm guessing - a lot!

In my youthful innocence I used to call them on it. You win the battle but you lose the war - they bar you. I don't call them on it anymore - I just leave.

So that sets the stage for me. That's where I'm coming from.

Then we look at the world of "factory preshuffled cards".

The notion they want you to get is a bunch of guys sitting in a factory some place shuffling cards.

Isn't that the vision you got when you first heard of factory preshuffled cards?

Look, get real! Nobody is sitting there shuffling cards. That notion is preposterous. That would be what is called in Manufacturing "labor intensive".

Such cards would cost a fortune.

Regular cards come in SEALED individual deck boxes in what we call "boxed card order". The boxes are sealed for a reason.

Have you ever had "new cards" come in UNSEALED boxes? I have - in BJ. Those cards are fixed. You'll be lucky to win a single hand. I learned the hard way to walk away from such tables.

Two Vegas trips ago I sat down to a $25 head to head 2 deck BJ game At a certain very prominent casino. They offered no cut sayng "the shoe had already been started". The pit boss was hovering over the game. I not only lost EVERY hand, I got dealt exactly 22 every hand - about 12 22s in a row. I'm a very experienced BJ player but it doesn't take a lot of experience to recognize that this is TOTALLY impossible in random cards.

I was PISSED! I broke my rule about making no comment. I said to the pit boss: "look if you are going to fix the cards, don't be stupid about it. Don't make it 22 every freaking hand".

Back to so called "preshuffled cards".

So OK the casino does not buy the cards in single deck boxed card order.

They buy them in 8 deck bundles. So if not boxed card order the casino has to prescribe the exact orders of cards they are buying. We know this because every bundle is numbered. If random, why are the bundles numbered?

Recognize that the factory machines can automatically put the cards in ANY prescribed order just as easily as it normally put cards in boxed card prder.

So what orders do casinos buy cards in???

Consider that the new Asian casinos, 100% preshuffled, far outperformed the predicted per capita profits - profits redily predictable in a 50/50 game plus commission. How was that possible??? Only one way is possible - fixed cards. Consider that you've got a guy like Adelson calling the shots who is currently highly involved in fixing elections - made legal by the Surpreme Court.

Why would he fix elections? So he can put people in that are favorable to casinos - people he can control, people willing to look the other way.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories. But you'd have to be pure stupid not to see that.....

Most any of us could design impossible to beat Baccarat shoes. Do you think for a minute that casinos can't?

So OK they eliminate biases or better yet, create changing biases.

What does that mean for us? It means that using biases is not going to work nearly as well as it did with prepped boxed card order cards.

That's the whole idea.

So what does that mean for us? It means that we need to change our basis of play - From biases back to the way we won before bias play - pure mathematics - back to a 9 bet progression. It worked before, it will work again.

So, would you please stop sniping at each other and get with the program - get focused. I know how to do this because I've done it successfully before.

I can teach you. It is FAR easier than SAP or 4D or S4D - even NOR. Nevertheless, I need your undivided attention. We've got work to do.

[Guest]

How good is this +5 program?

Well, lets take just BaS40 for instance:

If you play it the way I played it before Ann taught me better, the only way you could lose is if the shoe produced 8 3s before it produced a 4 or more and also before you hit +5.

The average number of 3s in 72 plays is 4.5. I have a tester of 500 complete shoes players turned in from various casinos. In that entire tester there is only one shoe with 8 3s let alone 8 before a 4 or more.

But today we wouldn't play that shoe the way I did. As soon as we see high 3s we would bet that 3s stay 3 instead of always betting that 3s will go to 4. So with all those 3s, we would KILL that shoe today. See that?

Back to preshuffled cards for a second. Recognize that 8 3s in "preshuffled" cards is extremely unlikely.

Why? Because they are trying their best to eliminate biases and 8 3s is an extremely strong and obvious bias that NOR would absolutely kill - the same kind of bias they are striving to eliminate.

Also recognize I'm only talking BaS40 here. We also have BaOTB4L and S40M1. Both of those LOVE 3s. So, if we had high 3s, we wouldn't be playing BaS40 in the first place. See that?

I don't just think that +5 will work better than NOR in preshuffled cards. I think the 3 +5 systems will work BETTER in preshuffled cards than they ever workrd in regular cards.

BECAUSE in preshuffled, it is the LACK of bias that helps us and that is exactly what the casinos are striving for. We have to take our NOR hats off and put our +5 hats on. We have to stay one step ahead of them all the time.

Yep, this preshuffled cards thing was a really neat casino trick - pretty darn smart. It was even a greater trick getting it legalized.

BTC is about using the casino's own antics against them. And that is exactly what we are doing. See that?

[Guest]

All of Vegas is now preshuffled unless any of our Vegas players know of any out of the way casinos still using regular cards.

There are two distinct preshuffled game types in Vegas - Touch and no touch.

The touch games are new preshuffled cards every shoe - in other words fixed cards every shoe.

No touch games most casinos change cards every 4 hours.

I'd like to get feed back on +5 from our Vegas players.

No question that with NOR we would want to avoid new cards altogether and stick with older cards.

But with +5, I'm not sure if there is any difference.

I'm inclined to say it doesn't matter BUT I'd like to have solid evidence.

Hell, we might even do best in brand new cards. I just don't know for sure but I'd LIKE to know for sure.

So if any of you Vegas guys would like to help but are unsure how to play +5, ask your questions on the forum.

Or even call me, 901 405 1723 and I'll get you going.

Basically

Hi 1's or high 1s and 2s is BaS40

Hi 2s or high 2s and 3s is Ba OTB4L

Lo 2s esp with high runs both ST or ZZ is S40M1

Thanks in advance guys.

[Fedda]

If we play preshuffled cards and starting at play 2 my first thought would be it makes the system selection a guessing game, but in preshuffled cards they want to change bias maybe every 10-15 plays. So let's say we wait 10 plays before we determine which system we play and then the bias change and the system selection is wrong.

How do we solve that? Maybe it does't matter starting at play 2?

[trbfla]

So with the 9 bet progression we are looking to win more 1 and 2 right. This does require a much larger buy in though

[CdnChamer]

How good is this +5 program?

Well, lets take just BaS40 for instance:

If you play it the way I played it before Ann taught me better, the only way you could lose is if the shoe produced 8 3s before it produced a 4 or more and also before you hit +5.

The average number of 3s in 72 plays is 4.5. I have a tester of 500 complete shoes players turned in from various casinos. In that entire tester there is only one shoe with 8 3s let alone 8 before a 4 or more.

But today we wouldn't play that shoe the way I did. As soon as we see high 3s we would bet that 3s stay 3 instead of always betting that 3s will go to 4. So with all those 3s, we would KILL that shoe today. See that?

Back to preshuffled cards for a second. Recognize that 8 3s in "preshuffled" cards is extremely unlikely.

Why? Because they are trying their best to eliminate biaUses and 8 3s is an extremely strong and obvious bias that NOR would absolutely kill - the same kind of bias they are striving to eliminate.

Also recognize I'm only talking BaS40 here. We also have BaOTB4L and S40M1. Both of those LOVE 3s. So, if we had high 3s, we wouldn't be playing BaS40 in the first place. See that?

I don't just think that +5 will work better than NOR in preshuffled cards. I think the 3 +5 systems will work BETTER in preshuffled cards than they ever workrd in regular cards.

BECAUSE in preshuffled, it is the LACK of bias that helps us and that is exactly what the casinos are striving for. We have to take our NOR hats off and put our +5 hats on. We have to stay one step ahead of them all the time.

Yep, this preshuffled cards thing was a really neat casino trick - pretty darn smart. It was even a greater trick getting it legalized.

BTC is about using the casino's own antics against them. And that is exactly what we are doing. See that?

Hey Ellis, for most of what you say, I agree, as for bias on per shuffled cards, there is no bias if took at it while wearing your NOR approach hat, hands down .. Uh uh... Go to jail, do not collect $200, etc,,,etc.. But on the sane shoe using 4D, it exposes the hidden bias that you don't see with NOR. And then... You can exploit it as I do. I've seen 4D when used properly, pull even as high as +39 units!!! on pre-shuffled shoes using a 2Hi bet system, but that's not where I leave, I'm long gone before that. I most often see shoes played out with 4D 2hi bet system do between +11 to +22 but before everyone gets excited, like NOR, you won't see it in every shoe... Just most often.

I played 10 shoes yesterday with pre-shuffled cards and won all but one.... My ending score for the tough shoe was -3 units... Not too shabby +45 units for all shoes played, as result of winning +6 on 3 occasions instead of +5. And on one of the shoes, had I stayed longer... Would have produced 12 wins iar from the point that 4D tells you when to start playing. Instead, I was out in 3 hands for +5 target with 2hi bet system. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I TELL THE PITT BOSSES, I come back later the finish recording the balance of the shoe.

Now.... Having said that.... If you looked at that shoe from a NOR perspective, there is no way in hell that you would pull off 12 wins iar.. NEVER! It sad to see that you abandoned the 4D method and recognized the power it has against pre-shuffled cards.

I find it hard to believe that a man of your stature and knowledge would give up on the 4D system. It is extremely powerful.

If we are able to meet in Macau in November, and you have not figured out the 4D method yet... In effort to save time, I can punch any shoe into my excel spreadsheet and prove it works and you can compare how NOR would do .... Without table selection.

4D exposes imbalanced bias in pre-shuffled cards. And I didn't need a hi IQ to see it.

Keep up the great work Ellis.

4D lives on.

CC

[Guest]

Hey Ellis, for most of what you say, I agree, as for bias on per shuffled cards, there is no bias if took at it while wearing your NOR approach hat, hands down .. Uh uh... Go to jail, do not collect $200, etc,,,etc.. But on the sane shoe using 4D, it exposes the hidden bias that you don't see with NOR. And then... You can exploit it as I do. I've seen 4D when used properly, pull even as high as +39 units!!! on pre-shuffled shoes using a 2Hi bet system, but that's not where I leave, I'm long gone before that. I most often see shoes played out with 4D 2hi bet system do between +11 to +22 but before everyone gets excited, like NOR, you won't see it in every shoe... Just most often.

I played 10 shoes yesterday with pre-shuffled cards and won all but one.... My ending score for the tough shoe was -3 units... Not too shabby +45 units for all shoes played, as result of winning +6 on 3 occasions instead of +5. And on one of the shoes, had I stayed longer... Would have produced 12 wins iar from the point that 4D tells you when to start playing. Instead, I was out in 3 hands for +5 target with 2hi bet system. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I TELL THE PITT BOSSES, I come back later the finish recording the balance of the shoe.

Now.... Having said that.... If you looked at that shoe from a NOR perspective, there is no way in hell that you would pull off 12 wins iar.. NEVER! It sad to see that you abandoned the 4D method and recognized the power it has against pre-shuffled cards.

I find it hard to believe that a man of your stature and knowledge would give up on the 4D system. It is extremely powerful.

If we are able to meet in Macau in November, and you have not figured out the 4D method yet... In effort to save time, I can punch any shoe into my excel spreadsheet and prove it works and you can compare how NOR would do .... Without table selection.

4D exposes imbalanced bias in pre-shuffled cards. And I didn't need a hi IQ to see it.

Keep up the great work Ellis.

4D lives on.

CC

Well I didn't abandom it totally. There is still a 4D forum. And I agree with all you say about 4D. It is a very strong way to play. John said the same as you. Even though it is obviously a bias system, both of you are saying it works well in preshuffled cards. I'm not sure why that would be true or how either of you tested that opinion but I'll take your word for it.

My problem with it is only a small minority of members seem to want to go in that direction because of

difficulty of learning the system as demonstrated at the seminar

difficulty of keeping up at casino speed

difficulty of playing over long hours

I have to go with the majority

They want a simple way to play preshuffled cards easily and effectively from a +5 perspective.

Meanwhile, it would be great if we had someone like you to carry the 4D forum foreward.

It deserves and begs to be brought to fruition - to be finalized.

[trbfla]

With 4d sometimes you do have to go to jail and collect 200.

[CdnChamer]

Well I didn't abandom it totally. There is still a 4D forum. And I agree with all you say about 4D. It is a very strong way to play. John said the same as you. Even though it is obviously a bias system, both of you are saying it works well in preshuffled cards. I'm not sure why that would be true or how either of you tested that opinion but I'll take your word for it.

My problem with it is only a small minority of members seem to want to go in that direction because of

difficulty of learning the system as demonstrated at the seminar

difficulty of keeping up at casino speed

difficulty of playing over long hours

I have to go with the majority

They want a simple way to play preshuffled cards easily and effectively from a +5 perspective.

Meanwhile, it would be great if we had someone like you to carry the 4D forum foreward.

It deserves and begs to be brought to fruition - to be finalized.

Quite the contrary, it's actually simpler than playing NOR, and casino speed is not an issue.

And "no", I am not in any position to take on the responsible leadership of the 4D thread, my life is busy enough without it.

I personally don't want the casinos to know what I am doing and once it's exposed completely of the forum, it could be game over.

I believe all the members have been overwhelmed by all the numbers they see in front of them just as I was once before, but I managed to see past all that.

Why is it more simple than NOR? .... Because... Here's a hint.... Not all columns are required to record and expose pre-shuffled card bias.

This is one reason why casino speed is not an issue. I will not lay it out for the members, but yet those who are able to figure out are the smart cookies on the forum and they will understand why it should be kept a secret. The game will change yet again if exposed.

I have a contact in Macau who has offered me $50K along with a confidentiality agreement for this knowledge and I have thought about but yet, not agreed to it as of yet. I can make far greater than that using it myself. You can never know 100% who you are dealing with thesis days! he could be working for the casino for all that anyone knows. Any fool would jump on it for $50K, but like I said... Potential "Game Over" once exposed.

My best advice for all... Just think outside of the box, and experiment. If you choose to play with the theory of your own research, you are responsible for your own profits and losses. I know that Ellis understands this more than anyone here.

CC

[newbacplayer]

If we play preshuffled cards and starting at play 2 my first thought would be it makes the system selection a guessing game, but in preshuffled cards they want to change bias maybe every 10-15 plays. So let's say we wait 10 plays before we determine which system we play and then the bias change and the system selection is wrong.

How do we solve that? Maybe it does't matter starting at play 2?

I think this was also my general question. Perhaps to be answered later. If we are to start one of the three systems from NOR on play 2, and require no table bias due to the mathematics of the progression, does it matter which of the three systems we start with at play 2. If it does, how do we know which system so early in a shoe? Intriguing tidbits from Ellis!

[CdnChamer]

I think this was also my general question. Perhaps to be answered later. If we are to start one of the three systems from NOR on play 2, and require no table bias due to the mathematics of the progression, does it matter which of the three systems we start with at play 2. If it does, how do we know which system so early in a shoe? Intriguing tidbits from Ellis!

Fatherfred is correct on a sentence in his statement, 4D actually identifies when to start, but not before hand 7. It "curve fits" the shoe with imbalance at tines and manages to balance out naturally to give you +5 or +6, and then you're out.

For Those Flat bettors out there, your target is +3.

Don't give up on the 4D, just look at it again. And again, and again... Hold your score card further away from your eyes and use your beautiful mind. If you haven't seen the movie yet, you should.... It will change your visionary insight to things.

CC

[trbfla]

Quite the contrary, it's actually simpler than playing NOR, and casino speed is not an issue.

And "no", I am not in any position to take on the responsible leadership of the 4D thread, my life is busy enough without it.

I personally don't want the casinos to know what I am doing and once it's exposed completely of the forum, it could be game over.

I believe all the members have been overwhelmed by all the numbers they see in front of them just as I was once before, but I managed to see past all that.

Why is it more simple than NOR? .... Because... Here's a hint.... Not all columns are required to record and expose pre-shuffled card bias.

This is one reason why casino speed is not an issue. I will not lay it out for the members, but yet those who are able to figure out are the smart cookies on the forum and they will understand why it should be kept a secret. The game will change yet again if exposed.

I have a contact in Macau who has offered me $50K along with a confidentiality agreement for this knowledge and I have thought about but yet, not agreed to it as of yet. I can make far greater than that using it myself. You can never know 100% who you are dealing with thesis days! he could be working for the casino for all that anyone knows. Any fool would jump on it for $50K, but like I said... Potential "Game Over" once exposed.

My best advice for all... Just think outside of the box, and experiment. If you choose to play with the theory of your own research, you are responsible for your own profits and losses. I know that Ellis understands this more than anyone here.

CC

Sorry but You can not track just 2 columns like p/b and 0/r you need at least 4 biases or at least 8 columns to be tracked to see any biases

[CdnChamer]

Sorry but You can not track just 2 columns like p/b and 0/r you need at least 4 biases or at least 8 columns to be tracked to see any biases

Sorry to rain on your parade, but you are dead wrong. I don't mean this in a negative way of speaking, but you are not correct.

I've offered plenty of hints and people need to really put on their thinking caps and allow their minds to be creative and perceive events differently than a logical view.

I did say that 9 out of those 10 shoes played had won, but on the one that lost -3 units.... My head wasn't handed to me. That's the power of the 4D, it curve fits to the shoe an survives with minimal damage.

Don't give up.

CC

[BaccDJ126]

OK Cdn i put my thinking cap on and i found the 00/tt column is most effective way to play 4D however my S40M3 is killing 90% of the shoes i play to a +5 so if i'm on to something with 4D i could you use your guidance and please do not make this a Kachatz bs rant i beg you lol

Mike

[trbfla]

Tracking 2columns gives me 4 biases but tracking 4 columns gives me 8 not sure how I can be wrong on that

You can see more biases with 8 not 4

[kachatz1]

W

OK Cdn i put my thinking cap on and i found the 00/tt column is most effective way to play 4D however my S40M3 is killing 90% of the shoes i play to a +5 so if i'm on to something with 4D i could you use your guidance and please do not make this a Kachatz bs rant i beg you lol

Mike

Whoa, Big Fella!

The Twist is Rocking' and ' Rolling' ...all the Drama was to " keep the cat in the bag" until Ellis could conduct his seminar, and The Wizard disappeared last minute...

Maybe I SHOULd give this horse a name...thinking "My Friend Flicka" pretty much sums it all the way the dealers deal the " touch " game...but I know I can do better, I put my mind to it...

Last 26 shoes played since 3/16 all or part of shoe, TheTwist is averaging $65/ hour after paying the vig...may not sound like a lot for what amounts to about 32 hours invested, but this is all in addition to NOR/4D...and using U1D1M2 for Twist only.....172 " possible" TWIST events , since not played all shoes until completion, and won 92/ & lost 80

All of this with $25 units...you got the $$, you playing with bigger balls, by all means compare with Spalding/Wilson's best, instead of Penn racquetball/tennis sized ...

Yeah, preshuffled or not, NOR/4D still getting the job done....it alone is averaging ( with losses factored in) almost 8.5 units per shoe...still winning 7/10 shoes...same story/ different day...

Hey, CD...PM me about your Asian friend and we'll split the bounty...( I can produce L.O.T.S) of

men/women North American/ Asian players here in Vegas or Biloxi will make him comfortable...surely U-can-2..I am all about combining NOR and 4D, even Stevie Wonder would be impressed...And he has written plenty of songs about same....

As for casinos " changing the game", anyone thinks the casino " Brass" doesn't have weekly meetings on Bac, PaiGow, BJ, Roulette...et.al, give me a break!!!

( comment deleted, so as to remain PC....)

Whatever we do, DO NOT run Ellis and Keith out of the bar-room!

Anyone wants to be back to panning-for -Casino-gold, be my guest....

Me, I am staying with the " sure-thing"

[BaccDJ126]

And Kachatz it was brilliant but not over 3 days lololol

[kachatz1]

W

Whoa, Big Fella!

The Twist is Rocking' and ' Rolling' ...all the Drama was to " keep the cat in the bag" until Ellis could conduct his seminar, and The Wizard disappeared last minute...

Maybe I SHOULd give this horse a name...thinking "My Friend Flicka" pretty much sums it all the way the dealers deal the " touch " game...but I know I can do better, I put my mind to it...

Last 26 shoes played since 3/16 all or part of shoe, TheTwist is averaging $65/ hour after paying the vig...may not sound like a lot for what amounts to about 32 hours invested, but this is all in addition to NOR/4D...and using U1D1M2 for Twist only.....172 " possible" TWIST events , since not played all shoes until completion, and won 92/ & lost 80

All of this with $25 units...you got the $$, you playing with bigger balls, by all means compare with Spalding/Wilson's best, instead of Penn racquetball/tennis sized ...

Yeah, preshuffled or not, NOR/4D still getting the job done....it alone is averaging ( with losses factored in) almost 8.5 units per shoe...still winning 7/10 shoes...same story/ different day...

Hey, CD...PM me about your Asian friend and we'll split the bounty...( I can produce L.O.T.S) of

men/women North American/ Asian players here in Vegas or Biloxi will make him comfortable...surely U-can-2..I am all about combining NOR and 4D, even Stevie Wonder would be impressed...And he has written plenty of songs about same....

As for casinos " changing the game", anyone thinks the casino " Brass" doesn't have weekly meetings on Bac, PaiGow, BJ, Roulette...et.al, give me a break!!!

( comment deleted, so as to remain PC....)

Whatever we do, DO NOT run Ellis and Keith out of the bar-room!

Anyone wants to be back to panning-for -Casino-gold, be my guest....

Me, I am staying with the " sure-thing"

Here's an update , posted after 2/3 shoe from the Gold Coast in Las Vegas....PLAYED LESS THAN 3 HOURS AGO...

P3111313142125121211212113 (stopped play 46, excluding ties)

Hope I got this recorded right:

(a) starting from my last shoe ( last bet won $225), The Twist $200, 175, 150, (125), 150 ( = + $550)

( the 4D = B16

P30

O24

R21

OTBL22

TBL22

OO16

TT 27

One thing I learned about the counts for 4D....a small miscalculation, a small error WILL NOT KILL YOU, DO NOT CONSTANTLY GO BACK LOOKING FOR MINOR DISCREPANCIES!!!

( it is the " trend" of the count that matters, not the finite, actual-exact number!)

(1) note how P count consistently kept rising during the shoe...a sure NOR signal

(2) note the O/R count only ventured " out-of-jail" near the end of the 46 plays

(3) OTBL/ TBL counts pretty much never got a getoutofjailfree card ( hint...regression to the mean, "0" )

(4) OO started out real strong, then TT count came on so strong it could not be ignored....( so I didn't ignore it)

Now, I'll close by saying anyone still wants on the 4D chow-wagon, play it for yourself hand-by-hand, and I think you will see CdN has it going on... That he feels he might be under the surveillance of the casino watchdawg is his business, but suffice it to say believe it when he says 4D has "PAYDAY" written all over it...

Have also spoken with John in Canada several times a month or so ago, and having played 3D for several years, long before any discussion of the 4th dimension OO/TT, 4D just makes it better...( just read my posts...nothing new here...I call it NOR/4D)

Even at just $25 units, this was a great shoe.....Long live The GOLD COAST...

( and reminder!!! THE TWIST is just a " side bet"....but a good one, if ever there was one...)

As always, I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST !

[MVSeahog]

Hi 1's or high 1s and 2s is BaS40

Hi 2s or high 2s and 3s is Ba OTB4L

Lo 2s esp with high runs both ST or ZZ is S40M1

Thanks in advance guys.

Chief,

I'm thinking that a whole lot of crisis management can be avoided with a single message basically explaining those three betting plays.

BaS40, BaOTB4L and S40M1.

As I'm "late to the party" so to speak, I've just recently gotten up to speed on S40M1 as opposed to what I was running S40 with.

I think it would help "overall".

MVS

[Quizzical1]

Chief,

I'm thinking that a whole lot of crisis management can be avoided with a single message basically explaining those three betting plays.

BaS40, BaOTB4L and S40M1.

As I'm "late to the party" so to speak, I've just recently gotten up to speed on S40M1 as opposed to what I was running S40 with.

I think it would help "overall".

MVS

Exactly what I meant, MV.

[ztomsk]

Exactly what I meant, MV.

I think we are just missing BaOTB. If the webinar is back on schedule, would that be included?

So far in 40 practice shoes I am up 97 units. A 2.5 unit average. I lost 6 shoes and quit at 0 a few times. Literally the only losing and 0 shoes were BaOTB. Never lost once playing BaS40 or BaM1. OTB4L (U1D2) was my favorite system to play, but BaOTB is my least. (Admittedly don't know the full rules)

They were clear OTB shoes but every time there would be a streak followed by a chop and vise versa. So then I would simply wait for a 2iar to start betting... and I would win some, but that of course also produced the 0 (break even) shoes.

Not complaining. 2.5 units average isn't great... But I'll take 97 units any day.

Of course I could just choose not to play those shoes... but that's the most common shoe type. Would be at the casino all day waiting around.

[trbfla]

Sorry but You can not track just 2 columns like p/b and 0/r you need at least 4 biases or at least 8 columns to be tracked to see any biases

Cc

I stand corrected and yes you are correct....not all columns are required to expose a bias with 4d.

I misunderstood that comment.

[trillion]

Is the Million Dollar Webinar still going to be on April 21,2014, from 730PM to 900PM EST?

Have not signed up at the present time, would like to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johnnycs1]

Both MVS and myself have ask explanation of the 3 betting plays for +5.

BaS40, BaOTBL, and S40M1.

Ellis can you help us out ?

Thank You

[bluetri]

Both MVS and myself have ask explanation of the 3 betting plays for +5.

BaS40, BaOTBL, and S40M1.

Ellis can you help us out ?

Thank You

Johnny, the BaS40 and S40M1 have been covered very well in the other $1,000,000 threads. It's the tweaks to the BA OTB4L that I am waiting for....