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Here's another thing I can't help pondering:

So there you are in Vegas playing say BaS40. Maybe you are on your 3rd or 4th shoe at a table and you note your secondary prog never gets past 2 and, in fact, seldom past 1. Hmm, aren't they just inviting you to change your secondary prog to 246? Or maybe....

But then there's the fact that shit happens!

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Ellis, would you be kind enough to play out a shoe with BaOTB4L, with the streak and ZZ runs and a play by play explanation?

There has been a lot of talk on playing BaS40 and S40 M1, but very little talk or shoes, showing the correct bet placements play BaOTB4L.

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Hi aysuen,

I am sorry I didn't record the shoes, my bad for training purposes. The Asian tote board was well recorded and easy for me to interpret. So I didn't bother to use a score card. The Runs were 3iers, 1 run of 4's, about 6-3's and the rest were 2's and some 4'zz's every now and then. I have to admit that I used NOR+, MODE 3 most of the time.

I HAD A BRAIN STORM AND TRIED SOMETHING NEW. MY MIND SOMETIMES WORK THAT WAY HAVING BEEN TRAINED IN LINEAL & STATISTICS:

What if we reverse BaS40? Sort of a modified "NOR F". I tried it on the final shoe before leaving Hollywood Hard Rock Casino at approximately 2:00 am.

1) Your primary prog 1,2 are on repeats TBL (NOT OTR), after two loses you're automate on ZZ's.

2) Stay on ZZ's betting 1 unit until 1 lose.

3) Then, go back to repeats with a 1, 2 prog until after 2 loses, you're again on ZZ runs until 1 losing bet of 1.

Keep in mind this is a preshuffled shoe. I do not want to brag on how much I won, but it was more than my buy-in. I hope Ellis is not upset for introducing this strategy. You lose a total of 3 units before you're on a ZZ run but, that is easy to make-up. However, try it you might like this approach.

Al

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Hi aysuen,

I am sorry I didn't record the shoes, my bad for training purposes. The Asian tote board was well recorded and easy for me to interpret. So I didn't bother to use a score card. The Runs were 3iers, 1 run of 4's, about 6-3's and the rest were 2's and some 4'zz's every now and then. I have to admit that I used NOR+, MODE 3 most of the time.

I HAD A BRAIN STORM AND TRIED SOMETHING NEW. MY MIND SOMETIMES WORK THAT WAY HAVING BEEN TRAINED IN LINEAL & STATISTICS:

What if we reverse BaS40? Sort of a modified "NOR F". I tried it on the final shoe before leaving Hollywood Hard Rock Casino at approximately 2:00 am.

1) Your primary prog 1,2 are on repeats TBL (NOT OTR), after two loses you're automate on ZZ's.

2) Stay on ZZ's betting 1 unit until 1 lose.

3) Then, go back to repeats with a 1, 2 prog until after 2 loses, you're again on ZZ runs until 1 losing bet of 1.

Keep in mind this is a preshuffled shoe. I do not want to brag on how much I won, but it was more than my buy-in. I hope Ellis is not upset for introducing this strategy. You lose a total of 3 units before you're on a ZZ run but, that is easy to make-up. However, try it you might like this approach.

Al

Hello FrontAl,

Thank you for your attention. I agree with you fully that TBL is a better terminology to use for BaOTB4L and phrase both Streak and ZZ. It would be much comfortable to realize at handling of the two different runs. You have some good thoughts and I must try it.

Best of Luck….

AYS

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Ellis, would you be kind enough to play out a shoe with BaOTB4L, with the streak and ZZ runs and a play by play explanation?

There has been a lot of talk on playing BaS40 and S40 M1, but very little talk or shoes, showing the correct bet placements play BaOTB4L.

Sure, but meanwhile study posts 45 and 46.

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Extremely good Mike! That's my boy!

When we were talking yesterday, I didn't come away totally confident that you completely understand the 0 bet. It is critically important that you get it completely under your belt. It's a trick of math wherein we can throw a simple 123 progression at them that they simply can't beat. So I'm going to reexplain it today and give everyone a way to remember it correctly. I think it was big cash's comment I was trying to answer yesterday when out site went down. But I think I captured it in memory.

Hey, I love it when they throw that super chop stuff at us. They might just as well hand us the money.

I did understand it completely, was just wondering if it were necessary. But I played it, and murdered them. Just got back from a 3:30AM run to Hard Rock as well, +20 in 3 shoes playing purple. Switched to OTBL because of ties but S40M1 was holding strong. This time I kept the scorecards, so I'll get them posted later when I have both eyes open.

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So you dodge it. Don't fart around with 3s when they are high - too dangerous! Instead, simply slip into BaOTB4L which automatically beats all 3s with its primary 1,2 prog. End of problem. You headed it off. See that? You "dodged" it!

Ellis, I thought that the primary progression for all 3 +5 MDB systems was 10-123. But here you suggest using a primary progression of 1,2 for BaOTB4L? Im confussed??

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So you dodge it. Don't fart around with 3s when they are high - too dangerous! Instead, simply slip into BaOTB4L which automatically beats all 3s with its primary 1,2 prog. End of problem. You headed it off. See that? You "dodged" it!

Ellis, I thought that the primary progression for all 3 +5 MDB systems was 10-123. But here you suggest using a primary progression of 1,2 for BaOTB4L? Im confussed??

Correct! You are confused.

BaS40M1 your primary prog is 1 and your secondary is always 0123 so we state it 10123

With both BaS40 and BaOTB4L your primaru prog is 1,2 so we state it 120123

The difference is with BaS40 we bet our primary prog of 1,2 on opposites

With BaOTB4L we bet our primary prog of 1,2 on OTB4L.

See that? When you first start out, put your secondary prog in red so you can see what you are doing.

A wining 0 we bet ATR with our 123 and only in single bets

A losing 0 we bet OTR with our 123 and only in single bets.

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If this has been answered please point me to the correct post. In the shoe at post # 12 regarding our secondary prog: Play 39 0, play 42 1 why was play 52 0 not 2 a completion of the prog?

You won your secondary prog at play 42 with a 1 bet - so it resets to 0.

Any time you win your secondary prog 0123 or change systems, your secondary prog resets to 0.

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In the same shoe then since at play 6 the 0 won play 15 should have be 0 not 1 and play 26 should have been 1 not 2. This will confirm my understanding of the secondary prog, thanks.

No, the plays are correct as posted. The 0 bet result of the SP tells you whether to go OTR or ATR with the rest of the 123 SP. You always bet a 1 on the next SP bet after a 0. It's only when the 1,2, or 3 bet of the SP wins that you go back to the 0 bet on the next SP.

At play 6, the SP 0 bet won so the next SP bet of 1 at play 15 is ATR and it losses, so the next SP bet at play 26 is a 2 bet ATR. It wins, so at the next SP bet at play 39 you are back to a 0 SP bet.

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To confirm in post # 61 Ellis stated "Any time you win your secondary prog 0 1 2 3 or change systems, your secondary prog resets to 0" In the answer in post # 63 it was stated that any time you win any secondary prog bet of 1 2 or 3 you reset to zero, winning a zero bet does not reset to 0 just determines which side your remaining secondary prog bet is on?

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To confirm in post # 61 Ellis stated "Any time you win your secondary prog 0 1 2 3 or change systems, your secondary prog resets to 0" In the answer in post # 63 it was stated that any time you win any secondary prog bet of 1 2 or 3 you reset to zero, winning a zero bet does not reset to 0 just determines which side your remaining secondary prog bet is on?

That's correct.

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