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Hi Team,

I'm considering playing online, Live Dealer at 5dimes.com

For those playing already, I was hoping we could share some intel on the best ways to beat their shoes:

1) Are they regular cards (biased shoes)

2) Are they pre-shuffled (random shoes)

3) Other

What is best way to play these at 5dimes, MBD, MDB+, NOR, other, combo play of NB and MDB+???

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Hi Team,

I'm considering playing online, Live Dealer at 5dimes.com

For those playing already, I was hoping we could share some intel on the best ways to beat their shoes:

1) Are they regular cards (biased shoes)

2) Are they pre-shuffled (random shoes)

3) Other

What is best way to play these at 5dimes, MBD, MDB+, NOR, other, combo play of NB and MDB+???

Hi bigcash! I was also considering to start playing live on line wherever they might let me from Arkansas???

No casino anywhere will comp me anymore - I can't even get a free buffet!

Plus, Arkansas is the most expensive place to be flying from.

Hell, Keith can fly from Pa to Vegas at a fraction of the fare I have to pay.

And Arkansas is a hell of a lot closer?????

Maybe we could compare notes.

Maybe start an on line club with its own thread.

Would you guys like that?

I'm also interested in what those who have played on line have to say.

As far as I know, all live on line games are regular cards.

But I don't think it makes much difference if they use the same cards all day.

We need to know:

if there are two different shoe colors???

when to they change cards?

is there a way to know?

I know that some of the guys have done well with MDB+ on line. Good but:

I'm thinking NOR would perform best on line especially if we back it up with:

TB4L and

Net Betting PvB esp NB36

But here is what I KNOW for an absolute fact:

Every casino everywhere has a vulnerability whether on line or real

Especially if we work TOGETHER as an on line club

We can figure out:

Which are the best on line casinos to play?

Where and how are they vulnerable?

I'm even wondering about several of us playing on line together via conference call???

I've done that several times with one other player and it worked very well.

But why not a group of us all playing the same shoe together???

But I'm also looking at it from a wholly different standpoint - BTC membership.

I'm thinking that an on line Baccarat club could do WONDERS for BTC memberships

Ha, which is rather stagnate right now. Got to do SOMETHING about that!

But what if an outside player saw an invitation of some sort

Wherein he could play alongside a team of pros?

I bet there are LOTS of guys out there who would like to do that.

I'm thinking if we play our cards right - advertise right - organize right with specific time and place - and price it right

Membership would soar!

What do you guys think about this?

So how exactly would we go about it?

I don't have a freaking clue.

I'm not the least bit internet savvy

But lots of you guys are.

And I am extremely interested in your thoughts.

We could even play with a combined bankroll.

That way, guys could play even where it is illegal in their State.

Phones are legal everywhere!!!

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I play at SportsBet.com and I believe it is the 4-Dimes Casino. They use 6 deck shoes, have two shoes (red and black/blue), the cards are not pre-shuffled, they do a typical "wash" with new cards but I've only seen new cards brought in one time. While the dealer is dealing shoe A, another dealer will come by and shuffle shoe B. Shuffle breaks the deck into stacks and then shuffles different stacks together.

My general feeling right now is that MDB+ does not work well in these shoes. I'll post a few examples later.

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I play at SportsBet.com and I believe it is the 4-Dimes Casino. They use 6 deck shoes, have two shoes (red and black/blue), the cards are not pre-shuffled, they do a typical "wash" with new cards but I've only seen new cards brought in one time. While the dealer is dealing shoe A, another dealer will come by and shuffle shoe B. Shuffle breaks the deck into stacks and then shuffles different stacks together.

My general feeling right now is that MDB+ does not work well in these shoes. I'll post a few examples later.

Great and valuable information Steveo!

6 decks, Hmm. You'd think the fewer the decks the more random the shoes just as it is in BJ.

But I can see why MDB+ would not do well. You don't have enough room in the shoe to finish your progs!

BUT, I'm very interested in seeing a few of your shoes

BECAUSE I'm thinking the greater randomness of 6 deck may make it ideal for some form of net betting.

AND net betting would be so ideal for group play because your bets are so much lower than 123 4 or U1D2.

BUT, SOME form of net betting can beat ANY shoe.

This should be VERY interesting even if you simply post your shoes using our short cut method.

I bet, given enough shoes, I can figure out WHICH form of net betting would work the best!

Meaning that we could go in with a practiced plan of action.

A very interesting situation!

6 deck could very well be a more beatable game.

BTW, SAP did best against 6 deck. Hmm!

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Thanks Ellis, I agree, we need a thread to gather intel from all of our members. We can determine the best games/online casinos to play, then determine the best way to beat those games.

I love the idea of playing online together via phone, with our best players, etc.

Yep, I'm thinking that's a winner!

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Good Idea Ellis. If you want to see how things are done live online then just go to blackorchidcasino.com and play the live demo baccarat game there. No sign up or download with play money.

Thanks Bobby, I'll do that. I'd like to see us all become expert at on line play.

Do you guys think the practice games are a good representation of the money games?

Ha, I know that they didn't used to be but on line casinos have cleaned up their act quite a bit.

I was studying a BJ site yesterday that claimed their 6 different Basic Strategy charts gave you winning play

at 6 different casinos which they named. All you had to do was match the right chart to the right casino.

Ha, pretty cute! No Basic Strategy chart, by itself, can win.

But people will try this and lose their shirts after all that work.

I'm thinking the casinos themselves put up that site

just as casinos themselves sell Basic Strategy cards and books right in their own gift shops.

My point is that when we set up this on line play club we have to get the point across to the general public

that we are a bonified site where they can join in and play on line with us dictating their bets and actually

win real money.

See we don't teach them or even tell them the system we are playing. WE will all know which system we are playing

But general public guys won't. All they will know is that when they make the bets we tell them to make, they win. I'm thinking

that word of that will spread like wild fire. But we still need a way to get the word out. That is where I need your help.

You guys all found our BTC site somehow. What I'd like to know is how you did that??? What would have helped you find us???

OK, we now need to identify a target on line casino. Then we study the shoes from that casino looking for their vulnerability.

Then we actually play that casino. We only need 2 guys to start - one actually on line telling the plays and the other,

probably me the first time, dictating the bets. Once we think we've got it down pat, we can add more players to the game.

I'm thinking that eventually we will have several team leaders, all dictating the bets to play teams of 5 or 6 or so.

I'm thinking we don't want say 20 guys all playing the same shoe the same way. We need to stay under the radar.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

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I just got off the phone with Keith. Count him in! He's all for this and already knows how to set it up for us so we don't need conference calling.

He is so excited about this he wants to set up a whole new forum for us devoted to on line play.

He does caution us about on line casino cheating - even with live games.

It is not nearly as rampant as it used to be, but still.....

There is a sight that rates on line casinos and tells you which ones to avoid for various reasons.

And some of our own guys are very good at rating on line casinos.

We need to get them involved!

Hell, we need to get EVERYONE involved and then some!

I see a big future in this!

Oh, and Keith mentions that there are also some good BJ games on line, ha as well as some not so good!

I kmow most of you guys have no clue about BJ. But I do!

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Ellis, there are two sites you should look into. They are both online casino review sites with forums. They are livedealer.org and casinomeister.com. Both do reviews of online casinos but I think casinomeister.com goes into more depth then the other when rating online casinos. There is also a lot of people on the forum that will write about their experiences with specific online casinos, good or bad. It's a good site to see which casinos are legit and which are scammers. It's important to research because there are a lot of horror stories of people winning good money and then the casino not paying them. But there are also the stories of the legit casinos doing everything right. Hope this helps.

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Here is a Dime shoe let me know of you want more

Thanks Don and sure - the more the better.

This shoe too, helps convince me that this casino is susceptible to Net Betting.

Their shoes seem very difficult to anything but Net Betting

BUT, very ripe for easy Net Betting.

I played it U1D2M2 with no suspends at all both PvB and OvR.

It's an easy +15 either way W/O any difficulties.

It gets a little higher than that but +15 becomes the obvious quit point either way.

Hey, +15 is darn good Baccarat for a shoe of only 48 plays.

You hit +15 by play 30 both ways! Hard to beat that!

I suppose you could get a little higher with U1D1M2 but why take that risk?

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Ellis, there are two sites you should look into. They are both online casino review sites with forums. They are livedealer.org and casinomeister.com. Both do reviews of online casinos but I think casinomeister.com goes into more depth then the other when rating online casinos. There is also a lot of people on the forum that will write about their experiences with specific online casinos, good or bad. It's a good site to see which casinos are legit and which are scammers. It's important to research because there are a lot of horror stories of people winning good money and then the casino not paying them. But there are also the stories of the legit casinos doing everything right. Hope this helps.

Right Bobby and thanks! Yes I have personally experienced both on line casino cheating AND not paying off.

Some guys are just plain too stupid to be running an on line casino. Out and out crooks!

We have to be VERY careful choosing casinos for group play.

We must look for both:

1.) Live straight up games with no cheating as well as

2.) Casinos we can easily beat.

This 5 Dimes casino looks like very sharp people to me.

Their games are either not biased at all or constantly changing biases.

But that is exactly what makes them susceptible to Net Betting - as you can see.

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Bac Table 1.pdf

Here is a shoe I just played

A few notes about 5 Dimes games

It is a 6 deck shoe you get about 60 hands

the shuffle is done by a second dealer that shows up and starts a very fast shuffle one deck at a time and that is it if it takes 2 minutes to shuffle that is too long and this is done while the initial dealer is still dealing to you.

I can tell you on these shoes MDB + does not usually work on these you will sometimes see a perfect OTB4L with a run of 8 to 10 in a row.

I play shoes Nor with a bias towards TB4L with a combination of MDB original it works however keep an eye on your O/R count

That is the most important thing with these shoes change direction pretty quick.

I also net bet sometime on these shoes however I hate the 5 or 6 unit bets sometime you have to make if but that works for you net bet could be the best way to go

I take my 4 or 5 units and run also I have requested 2 payouts the first one by money gram the 2nd one they deposited on my Visa card takes about 2 or 3 days to get your funds but I got paid so far.

I use a Visa prepaid card and they accept US based customers and you can start with 50 bucks I'm going to request a payout after tomorrow football games are over

I hope this helps

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You could have net bet this shoe also however with the long run at the first part of the show I decided to watch the O/R count and track MDB

Here is a shoe with comments Ellis the rest of the family I hope this helps

Correct, you COULD net bet it successfully BUT except for the 6, every event in this shoe is either a 1, a 2 or a 3.

It is screaming by the book S40 Mode 3 which kills every event in this shoe including the 6iar. A perfect U1D1M2 shoe.

Guys, by now you should be seeing that right off the bat.

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I started at hand 3 I started with net bet player vs banker highest bet was 4 units

I made 25 units

playing this way I was thinking when do you net bet Opposites vs repeats ?

thank you uncle Ellis.

I was going to switch to system 40 but if it is not broke why fix it

Have fun guys and girls

Only when Opposites and Repeats are running closer to each other than Bank and Player.

Good job BTW!

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Are you sure the name of the casino you posted the pdf from is in fact 5 Dimes?? The photo you posted looks

exactly like the online casino I play called Black Orchid Casino.

Visionary Gaming site.pdf

Hey Golf Girl

There is a company that contracts with different online casinos to use their online live dealer table games it is called

Visionary Gaming here is there link http://www.visionaryigaming.com

so black diamond, 5 dimes ,and a few others use the same company hope that helps

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I have had such bad luck with this casino. It just so happens that every time I had a delay (Which was about 95% of the time) I lost. Just don't think it is regulated. I thought it was promising. If any one has a different opinion I would love to hear it.

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