who here is actually a professional baccarat player

[Guest]

See that! I told you he's a smart guy. Hamster could make a million in less than a year if he just knew the tricks of the trade.

Like this post I just sent to Dean:

Dean, on the first one, I think it goes:

B224141151152

I took out the ties which are green, right?

Note that 2nd or more liners are greater than first liners

In other words the shoe is low in 1's and never more than 2 in a row

So the shoe is high in Repeats.

Whenever you get a shoe like that, and they are quite frequent -

just bet repeats U1D2M2

You kill the shoe. Wait a sec and I'll play it

OK You score +16 in 29 bets. You'll beat everybody at the table by a country mile.

Whenever 1's are low and no more than 2 in a row, even a 3 won't hurt,

always just bet repeats U1D2M2 - you can't lose!

What if Hamster knew those kinds of tricks of the trade???

He'd be giving Norm a run for his money - God rest.

But no, Hamster can't stand being taught anything by anybody.

Everybody has a loose screw someplace!

Hamster's is just a little more noticable than most.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Ellis

[Guest]

but if this is biginning of the shoe, your score would not be +16 because i think that you would not start with repeats on play 2, especilly when it starts with B22 ?

A very astute observation!

However, when playing against regular, mature cards, I nearly always start at play 2 as the many here who have played with me will tell you. They will also tell you I nearly always bet U1D2M2. I'm not going by the shoe at hand, I'm going by prior shoes the same color. If new cards, soon after the prep (the first 3 games) I start with OTB4L at play 2, which is the same bet. Had I done that, I would have won my first 5 bets instead of only 3 out of 5. But by hand 7, I would have noted that there are twice as many Repeats as Opposites and would have acted accordingly. Had I done that, I would have scored a little better.

But I happen to know that Dean plays much later in the day than I do, when shoes are often high in Repeats. Nighttime with regular cards, I usually start with straight repeats, prepared to go TB4L should 1's prove to be high. In this case the first 1 didn't appear until play 9 - screaming continue betting straight Repeats. 1's are normally one every 4 plays.

These are the kinds of things you learn with 30+ years of experience - much of it full time. I'm trying to teach you guys in days and weeks what took me decades to learn.

But these are general observations. You need to go by what you are used to seeing at the casino you play. THAT overrides everything.

But in this shoe Repeats start out high and continue high giving you no reason to switch systems.

[Guest]

See that! I told you he's a smart guy. Hamster could make a million in less than a year if he just knew the tricks of the trade.

What if Hamster knew those kinds of tricks of the trade???

He'd be giving Norm a run for his money - God rest.

But no, Hamster can't stand being taught anything by anybody.

Everybody has a loose screw someplace!

Hamster's is just a little more noticable than most.

LOL

Ellis, some of the smartest minds have a screw loose! So I admit, I am far from perfect.

[Guest]

LOL

Ellis, some of the smartest minds have a screw loose! So I admit, I am far from perfect.

Right, just change "some" to "all". And the smarter the mind, the looser the screw.

Einstein, 1879 - 1955, couldn't tie his own shoes.

Did you know that?

Ha, I think it was more like he couldn't be bothered by the mundane.

His parents thought he was retarded!

So, at least we had one thing in common - besides sharing this world for 15 years.

He predicted black holes 60 years ago - far out!

I tried to build a hang glider in 1949 - but I couldn't get it airborne - probably a good thing.

Edited November 23, 2014 by Ellis

[Guest]

Yes true... i am playing online, regular cards and they are playing whole day with same cards....dont know realy about morning prep because it is at 4am...mature cards at night are mostly streaky but sometimes you can find one strong s40 between them...and what i have notice untill now is there are no shoes with 1s greater then 50% of events

OK, think about what you are saying. 1's alone decide the OR count - whether it's plus or minus.

1's are the ONLY event that can create a + OR count!

Therefore if 1's are "always" less than half of all events at the time of day you play:

You can just flat bet repeats and quit when you are ahead. If 1's are always low or dead even, flat betting repeats will ALWAYS get you ahead at some point. Playing that way, it is not about how many units you win. It is all about the SIZE of the unit you are betting. Get it?

[Guest]

BTW, after my advice to him, Dean played his next shoe straight repeats and killed it.

Sometimes it is not about being clever, it is about noting the obvious and betting it.

Boring? Perhaps, but winning money is never too boring!

[Plus One]

Right now at South Point it looks like the Gold Coast. A lot of players from Macau are playing here they went from 2 bac tables to about 20 tables giving me table selection.

[Guest]

Right now at South Point it looks like the Gold Coast. A lot of players from Macau are playing here they went from 2 bac tables to about 20 tables giving me table selection.

That's because 99% of Baccarat players lose in the long-term...

[cashout]

That's great that gives more money to the players who do know how to play

[Plus One]

So I have compared my play from morning sessions to evening sessions looks like with mornings giving me far more success then evening sessions reason being the shoes and patterns are more symmetrical.

Where as playing in the evening gives you more net betting scenarios

[topstep1]

So I have compared my play from morning sessions to evening sessions looks like with mornings giving me far more success then evening sessions reason being the shoes and patterns are more symmetrical.

Where as playing in the evening gives you more net betting scenarios

Post a shoe from the Morning and post a shoe from the evening ,I would like to see if I can see a comparison ..

[Plus One]

B222122111321

B113211131213

P11313211421

P1411132125

1's events 17 - 18 =-1

2's events 12 - 12 = 0

3's events 4-6 = -2

4 or more 4-3 = 1

Morning shoe

P1311211232211113121213213121151(10)2

17-17 = 0

12-9 = 3

4-5 = -1

4-2 = 2

Evening shoe

If you add up the missing 2's events 2 x 3 = (6 + plus a 4's event) explains the banker 10 OR two 4's events.

[Guest]

B222122111321

B113211131213

P11313211421

P1411132125

1's events 17 - 18 =-1

2's events 12 - 12 = 0

3's events 4-6 = -2

4 or more 4-3 = 1

Morning shoe

P1311211232211113121213213121151(10)2

17-17 = 0

12-9 = 3

4-5 = -1

4-2 = 2

Evening shoe

If you add up the missing 2's events 2 x 3 = (6 + plus a 4's event) explains the banker 10 OR two 4's events.

Well, W/O playing them, we know exactly what to play just looking at the beginning of both shoes. We should know in 5 seconds.

Looking just a little furher we also know what modes to play.

This is not magic, I've told you what each system likes and dislikes a zillion times.

High 2s is OTB4L. Your first shoe is OTB4L for sure.

So OK, now we need to know which mode for ST runs and which mode for ZZ runs???

There are clues but when playing OTB4L, mode is decided by the contest between 4s vs 5+s.

This is true for BOTH ST and ZZ runs, which makes it pretty easy to remember.

BTW, when playing S40 again there are mode clues such as the OR count

+ = M3

- = M2

But Mode is DECIDED by 3s vs 4+ for S40 and 4 vs 5+ for OTB4L.

So in your first shoe there is not even a hint of an ST 5 until late in the shoe.

So for your ST game you pick M3 BECAUSE M3 beats ST 4s - See that?

BUT for your ZZ game you pick M2 because 1's are so plentiful and you want to get on ZZs early.

As for getting OFF runs, you aren't seeing any long runs (6 or mores) so there is no point in staying on any run for more than ONE winning bet.

This is true for both ST and ZZ in your first shoe.

In the first 2 columns there are no ST runs to contend with and most of the third col as well so I don't even have to decide which mode to play against ST runs until late in the 3rd col and I already know to play Mode 3 because there are no ST 5 or mores.

My ZZ mode (Mode 2), because 1's are so plentiful, and the shoe is so choppy, gets confirmed at play 15 where I hit the 5th circle of the ZZ as exspected.

But I get back off the run immediately because I'm seeing no long runs either ST or ZZ.

So OK, what do we bet?

Well I nearly always bet U1D2M2 esp when I've done my table selection carefully and I have a good feel for what the casino is producing right now.

And for the same reason I nearly always start at play 2 after I have found the best table to play. That is the whole point of doing your homework before you sit to any table.

Show me a player who takes the first empty seat he finds and I'll show you a loser.

So your next decision is when to get out.

Well with U1D2M2 we go for +30 in a good shoe and this is a ridiculously good shoe. We can always back off if the shoe gets rough.

But in your first shoe, W/O playing it, I see that I'm going to already be +10 at play 9 with U1D2M2. This is exceptionally good.

I see I'm going to hit +20 very early - somewhere in the top of the second col. This confirms go for +30.

But this shoe is so incredibly good that I see I'm going to hit +30 already in the 2nd col.

So this would be one of those extremely rare shoes I throw caution to the wind and go for +40.

I usually end up wishing I hadn't done that but this shoe looks to be an easy +40 WHERE I WOULD DEFINITELY QUIT.

The 4iar ZZ, esp followed immediately by a 4iar ST is going to give you your only hickup in this shoe. That is going to get you all the way to a 6 bet

But then you recover nicely winning the 6421.

You are going to hit +40 somewhere in the middle of the 4th col. Get out!

But I'm definitely going to play the next shoe at this table and start the same way.

Usually a table THIS good stays that way for quite a while. And THIS is a super great table so far.

In reveiw:

High 2s is ALWAYS OTB4L - 2s are normally 9 per full shoe. This shoe starts right out with very high 2s and ends up with 13.

4s vs 5+s decides Mode with OTB4L.

Higher 4s = Mode 3; Higher 5+s = Mode 2.

So do we switch our ZZ mode when we get the 4iar ZZ in the 3rd col. NO because that makes only 1 4iar vs 3 5iars.

That decision pays off in the 4th col where we get our 4th 5iar ZZ.

Hmm, maybe we should make this shoe our sample OTB4L shoe???

OK, for your second shoe:

See the high 1's with nothing longer than 3?

That is definitely S40, Mode 3

Another gift shoe.

Yeah, it finally has a 5. Fine, your M3 OTR bet is going to hit the 5th circle. So you lose a 123 and win a 42 - big whip!

Then you hit 10 1's and win every bet.

Hopfully you were betting U1D2M2 or better yet - a 345 - Another +40 shoe!

Gee! I'm going to have to start following you around.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Ellis

[Guest]

it doesnt matter is shoe streaky, choppy or neutral...its all about to have shoe with strong trend, wthout major changes, or al least or al least for few hands when bias show it slef

Not so fast Siki!

Chop is an S40 bias - the chopier the better.

Streak is an OTB4L bias, esp with low 2s which is usually the case with streak. The longer the runs the better.

Neutral is an OTB4L bias. The more 2s and 3s and single 1's the better.

And when playing regular cards - BIAS IS EVERYTHING!

Chop vs streak vs neutral is EVERYTHING!

It separates the winners from the losers.

Bias is created by the casino's opening card prep.

Casinos know that the average player loses to neutral shoes.

Therefore the casino card prep is designed to favor neutral.

You MUST know how to beat all 3 biases to win at Baccarat.

And, when playing Las Vegas or Atlantic City

you must also know how to beat lack of bias - random shoes

because that is what you get with factory preshuffled cards which is what both cities deal.

That is why we also teach MDB+ which has the highest win rate in the history of Baccarat.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Ellis

[Plus One]

Afternoon shoes

Blue cards 1421

P5121125341422141241121241154

Red cards 1700

B11323112421123111113213237412144113

Blue 1800

P3133412111245751111411111211312132

Reds 1825

P11321312111111113222316334343215. If you look at the previous reds shoe the first 13 hands are identically inverse!!!

Blue 1935

B21311183221331143331112121112141131

[Guest]

it doesnt matter is shoe streaky, choppy or neutral...its all about to have shoe with strong trend, wthout major changes, or al least or al least for few hands when bias show it slef

There will always be some sort of "trend" in Baccarat. But it isn't until you can develop a strong money management game, can you beat Baccarat.

Looking for trends is like studying stock charts. It doesn't work!

[Plus One]

it doesnt matter is shoe streaky, choppy or neutral...its all about to have shoe with strong trend, wthout major changes, or al least or al least for few hands when bias show it slef

There will always be some sort of "trend" in Baccarat. But it isn't until you can develop a strong money management game, can you beat Baccarat.

Looking for trends is like studying stock charts. It doesn't work!

So true and you'll be late for the game.

[dcurllll]

Thank you for posting your live shoes. They are much appreciated.

Are these shoes from gold coast or south point or both?

[dcurllll]

Are your vegas shoes from south point or gold coast or both? Thanks for posting them. I should have included your quote in previous post so as not to get confused with siki's 100 shoes. Ty.

afternoon shoes

blue cards 1421

p5121125341422141241121241154

red cards 1700

b11323112421123111113213237412144113

blue 1800

p3133412111245751111411111211312132

reds 1825

p11321312111111113222316334343215. If you look at the previous reds shoe the first 13 hands are identically inverse!!!

Blue 1935

b21311183221331143331112121112141131

[Plus One]

Are your vegas shoes from south point or gold coast or both? Thanks for posting them. I should have included your quote in previous post so as not to get confused with siki's 100 shoes. Ty.

No worries these are South Point shoes.

[Guest]

Afternoon shoes

Blue cards 1421

P5121125341422141241121241154

Red cards 1700

B11323112421123111113213237412144113

Blue 1800

P3133412111245751111411111211312132

Reds 1825

P11321312111111113222316334343215. If you look at the previous reds shoe the first 13 hands are identically inverse!!!

Blue 1935

B21311183221331143331112121112141131

I tested these shoes with my money management system and averaged 16 units per shoe.

[johnnycs1]

Hi Ya Hamster....

Care to share your ,money management method .

Appreciate it ....

Thank You !!

[Plus One]

Hi Ya Hamster....

Care to share your ,money management method .

Appreciate it ....

Thank You !!

I was thinking the same thing care to share.

[Plus One]

What is the likely hood of getting two in a row correct vs one in a row vs three in a row right. I know we do u1d2m2 so we would have to get three in a row right in order to recover is that right? What happens when you are getting 1 win then 2 losses then 1 win then 3 losses. Do we keep going until 1. stop loss is hit or 2. we recover and continue playing. How do you recover from that. Negative progression vs positive progression. I'll get several 1 unit base bets in a row ,but when I begin to lose it takes forever to recover. A lot of times the shoe does cooperate ,but when it starts misbehaving. Should I sit on the side. Is getting two in a row right a pretty good odds ,vs trying to u1d2 the shoe to get to positive territory. Is there a money management that we could use for getting two in a row right or is that a risk to ruin way of doing things.

[Guest]

Hamster I'm pretty sure nobody is going to step up and prove to YOU that they make money consistently playing baccarat . Anytime someone like you wants to see proof its obviously you have doubt about your game and you want to see proof of someone else game. Hamster will you please post some shoes so we can evaluate your play and I would strongly suggest that you run a couple of hundred shoes at home and it will all click trust me . PRACTICE, PRACTICE PRACTICE .......That is what is going to get you to that next level , sure I ask to see shoes too but perfect what you already have I bet you its a gold mine.

I must be playing the shoes wrong because I didn't win overally playing NOR. I did win at first then it went sour. I will say there are good shoes and bad shoes...having a stop loss for crap shoes is important.

(For the record I am not a member... I hardly consider myself an expert...but I know about the OR counts, OTB4L, FLD, OLD, NetBetting, etc just from watching a few videos.)